/tech/ - Technology★

inb4

>i know a bunch but i won't tell, tech will just ruin them!

>i really, REALLY want to start larping in /tech/like communities online. im sick of being a part of the norm.

>but what are larping places? where do you all go? what forums do you larp at, what games do you larp, where do you watch larping videos?

ebic

>>1021650

This is the right attitude to foster communities which promote free-software, GNU/Linux, and general technical ethicacy and advanced literacy; treat everyone else like an inferior retard!

What is the point of this attitude? Seriously?

*raises paw*

um, *thinks* *slowly lowers paw* i don't know any... sorry... *ears wilting*

Just make your own community, and like minded people will stop by.

>>1021653

*raises flamethrower*

um *pulls the flamethrower* *thinks* don't know any... *starts sweeping the stream of flames from side to side* sorry... *furry wilts to ashes*

>>1021656

I went to look at user groups near me and...

>Featured Project -- My Family Pies

>This is not your ordinary website. It’s something totally different than your usual stuff. We are talking about the fantasy series of family porn. This is right -- My Family Pies is all about scenarios where step siblings are having an actual sex together… while parents are home – next door. It’s funny, it’s graphic and it’s really taboo – these 3 reasons are probably an answer to why this series is so popular among Linux users worldwide.

>>1021651

>What is the point of the attitude LURK MOAR

also, he probably wouldn't ask if he's not doing something /tech/ related already (since knowing the related communities comes alongside getting into it), and if he's not what's the point? either most discussions will fly right over his head or worse he will look like an idiot when he opens his mouth.

>>1021661

reminds me of my teen forays into usenet and spotting a.sex.fetish.fish in the list

I use lobste.rs for self-promotion, since that seems to be all the rotten style of website is good for.

If you're anything like me, you'll get some attention from the crowd and maybe a single comment for your technical material you actually put effort into and then someone will post about feminism or how they did something stupid lately and they'll get most of the attention and hundreds of comments.

These people disgust me, in general. I dislike how it and Hacker News seem to be the only big forums for ostensibly discussing programming outside of places such as here.

Here's some fresh examples:

https://lobste.rs/s/cojtym/i_nearly_lost_all_my_data

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18949484

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18946712

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18086418

Here's an example of something technical that has been ignored:

https://lobste.rs/s/ssukzq/making_game_boy_game_part_1

If you want to promote yourself so others actually see your stuff, you basically need to use them, though. I haven't found any others.

Also, look at n-gate.com if you haven't already.

quality content of people that actually have any idea what they're talking about is rare OP, so search out the seemingly dead or slow moving places, like this one here and just lurk. You'll get a feel for what's out there. Sadly the tech side of the internet is overrun by normies, soyboys and pajeets. There still is quality content out there, though.

The problem is everyone wants to be the next rising star on $social_network, a consistently rising number of people that have less and less original things to say. This endless attention-whoring and promotion of every little brainfart is what really destroyed that side of the internet.

>>1021665

>n-gate

someone oughta do an n-gate for /tech/:

>a developer temporarily loses his priviledge to add blogs to a website. /tech/ starts down the path of arguing about CoCs, but get bored and argues about the jews instead.

>linux, well known for wanting all code to be upstreamed, makes it harder for code to not be upstreamed. rather than create a fork that removes the limitations, /tech/ tries to figure out which license can force a maintainer to write good code.

>>1021640 (OP)

the more you lurk on places like here the deeper you get into it. I wouldn't recommend it though, it's in the end a waste of time. and everywhere is full of faggots. for some reason online communities seem to attract trannies, retards, furries, weeaboos of the worst kind, and literal faggots or mentally ill all the time. Probably multiple reasons why, but it makes non-homosexuals (like myself) and people with something nice to offer (not necessarily myself) just leave because they become shitholes.

but some places can be pretty cool. the coolest ones unfortunately are usually dead.

anyway, you should make a site on neocities. Sure, it's still full of faggots, but there are some pretty cool people online as well.

IRC is pretty active, I just hop around channels and servers though, so I never really stay in one place for a while.

Mainly I post here, sometimes I post on einchan or whisperchan. If you really want to you can find out how to connect.

But like I said, everything is pretty much dead, or gay. For the past couple months I've barely been online at all on these places. nothing you do online in these communities like you want to be in will be productive, or even really worthwhile.

You're better off reading books, occasionally coming here to converse with people for short periods of time, and try to actually learn and do things in real life.

General tech "discussion" forums are always shit for two reasons. First, the barrier to entry is very low, so half of your userbase will always be 15-year old kids and retarded niggers. Secondly,even a field that moves as fast as tech itself isn't all that interesting, and doesn't justify a 24/7 forum that you spend hours a day on. That's the reason that you see so much blogspam, and leftist shit fluffing up every tech site - they're primarily intended for people to use to kill off a couple hours at work every day. Lobste.rs' invite system solved both these problems for a while, by being invite-only and keeping out retards, and by having a fairly low post rate. Eventually though their policy of giving invites out to everyone ruined this, and it's now indifferentiable from HN

>inb4 <join my disgay guise

Actual /tech/fag communities are a lost cause at this point

>>1021655

How do you shill your community though and get people to join? I've found when I try to promote my community on imageboards they just never join and screech. R*ddit is a no go either. Not really any viable ways to promote without people being angry at you

>>1021714

It sounds like the problem is your approach.

>>1021714

Then don't?

>>1021640 (OP)

>/tech/like communities online.

>im sick of being a part of the norm.

"/tech/like communities" are full of normies. Mostly normies who didn't excel at the things most normies really value, like athlethics, or socializing, or not looking like an obese goblin.

If you're sick of "being part of the norm," read Industrial Society and Its Future and follow Uncle Ted into the woods. At the very least, go analog, toss your cell phone, and find a more authentic way to live than wasting your life away in front of a screen.

>>1021641

You say that as if it wasn't true.

>>1021714

You don't. What you do is you find people who you know aren't retarded and you invite them to your online place. Then you tell them: find people who aren't retarded and invite them too. That's how you "shill" a group. And then you ban the shit out of anyone who proves to be retarded.

You don't actually want it to become big. You can't control a user base of hundreds of thousands of people.

>>1021665

Do people post their own projects on these sites? I've always been wary of trying to promote my own work, even though it's a hobby. Can't post any of it here either because it's tied to my real name.

It does get lonely coding all by myself. I just want some peer review, some sign the code's not fucked up.

>>1021640 (OP)

get on tor and IRC and lurk moar, but unless you work on your career prospects you will forever be a larper

This offline reading can't be said enough. We all know, if we want to write a small script or look up a command or something, the easiest way often is to just to google it as somebody probably has had the same problem before. I've been trying to move away a bit from being online all the time so I started resolving my own problems by simply reading manpages. I've learned a lot and came up with quite a few cool solutions I would've never come up with if I just copy pasted something I saw online. It was absolutely worth it. Just lazily searching an answer somewhere online stifles creativity a lot, I noticed.

You should look into the communties now and then though, even garbage places like /r/linux. It's good to gauge trends and hear about new tools. You don't have to read all the (retarded) comments.

>>1021743

>Do people post their own projects on these sites?

I have shilled some of my projects on Reddit, but it has to be relevant to the overall topic, and you need to make it clear that it's yours. I.e. don't go like "hey guys, look at this cool thing I've found *wink* *wink*", just be honest that it's yours and don't attention-whore about it.

>>1021746

>It's good to gauge trends and hear about new tools. You don't have to read all the (retarded) comments.

This.

I only really participate on /tech/ and some IRC / matrix servers.

I also read ycombinator shill central and lobste.rs shill central lite. I don't know if you count LFN a community, but I visit there every once and a while to check in on things.

Video wise, I pretty much only watch talks.

>>1021746

Why would anyone read /r/linux? It's useless. Try LWN.

>>1021749

>it has to be relevant to the overall topic, and you need to make it clear that it's yours. I.e. don't go like "hey guys, look at this cool thing I've found *wink* *wink*", just be honest that it's yours and don't attention-whore about it.

Absolutely incorrect. Just buy a handful of accounts with reddit points, and votebot your posts to the top

>>1021640 (OP)

>but what are thriving places? where do you all go? what forums do you shitpost at, what games do you play, where do you watch videos?

facebook.com

>>1021754

*LWN

>>1021743

>Do people post their own projects on these sites?

I do. I realized I was spending my time on projects and I had an audience of maybe a few dozen people or so. I decided it wasn't harmful for me to promote myself and my projects to a larger audience, so that's what I've been doing with these rotten websites.

>>1021743

>>1021749

>>1021844

This is exactly what linkdumps like Reddit are for; promoting things you like or make to a crowd of consumer whores. Doesn't matter if your product is culture, humor, software or whatnot; there's tons of filthy beggars with their lips wrapped around the other end of the content pipeline and signs hung from their necks that read "FEED ME."

>>1021742

Exactly. /tech/ is about as big as you'd want any online group to be. As much as we like to call each other retarded, there are enough people here who know what they're doing to make the place interesting. When you look at a place like HN, it might have been good once, but soon it descends into retards self promoting and marketers riding off the name to impress the world at large with a mediocre blog entry.

>>1021853

>there are enough people here who know what they're doing to make the place interesting

My sides

>>1021853

>As much as we like to call each other retarded, there are enough people here who know what they're doing to make the place interesting.

LOOOOOOL. You're a LARPer in denial.

>>1021856

>>1021863

Some useful advice for you. Always assume the person you're talking to knows more than you do. Firstly, you'll come off as more polite, and secondly, in your case in particular, it will be true.

>>1021743

>Can't post any of it here either because it's tied to my real name

Why would it be dangerous to promote a project tied to your real name here? Are you paranoid about normies knowing you use 8chan?

>>1021869

>tips le fedora

ok kiddo

>>1021979

>get absolutely and irreparably btfo

>resort to 2014-tier fedora meme to help stem the butthurt

top lel

>>1021985

>>get absolutely and irreparably btfo

debatable

>>1021961

Last time I posted a repo on a chan, people took my picture and started commenting on it. Some even called me cute.

I'd rather stay anonymous.

>>1021844

>>1021852

I will try it. I just finished automating some stuff that makes contributing new code easier. I'm documenting all my functions. I'll post there once I'm done.

>>1022070

>I'd rather stay anonymous.

Mostly because it's easy to say something retarded and end up getting raided since all my information is on display. I've seen it happen in real time on other chans to people who were being particularly obnoxious.

The only reason we say what we really think and are assholes to each other is we can escape the consequences. Anonymity gives us that power.

>>1021742

I always try hard to not be retarded but nobody ever invites me to anything :(

>>1022072

>we

>we

>each other

>we

>us

Back to >>>reddit with you!

>>1021665

There is a new group that calls itself "hackers", but is just a bunch of corporate faggots shilling their absolute bullshit products. The newest trend is to use SJW shit to call anyone a nazi if they don't like the product with 3500ms input lag on every button press. HN is full of this cancer. We need to remove corporations from tech by making "racist" products. Naming your open source software "dickfaggotnigger" and stuff like that, seems to be a good start. Make your haxor blog be called "tech-niggery" and post "irresponsibly disclosed" 0days.

>>1022072

>Using a pseudonym is dangerous and takes me out of my safe space

lol okay

>be 2010+N N : [0,9]

>go onto this reddit thing everyone's talking about (or a number of other popular venues, such as Twitch, Twitter, Facebook, Quora, Stack Exchange, etc):

<Posts and comments, whether in jest or with malice, that contain racist, sexist, homophobic content, threats, or other forms of toxicity will be removed, regardless of popularity or relevance.

>jesus christ what in the absolute fuck

>read any comment whatsoever

>inane as expected

>sign up and post some stuff

>not so bad

>come across some moron or group of (possibly underaged) morons defending some absolutely fucktarded belief (for example, claiming rockets in game #3523578235 are overpowered, even though you can literally just move one foot away and dodge it 99% of the time and even up close you can block them. said nignogs literally only started wanting to get rid of rockets because some celebrity on Twitch.tv said so)

>casually call someone in the thread a "faggot" instead of "whoreson", "motherfucker" or other generic insult intended to portray annoyance, in the middle of the 30th paragraph rebuking their retarded claims

>you have been banned forever for homophobia, and next year we're passing a new law that can get you fined for this behavior

>close site and never come back, same for any forum that has a similar "warning we're retards" disclaimer

>>1021651

>>1021650

this is a jew post

>>1022070

Understandable. But you shouldn't be putting your picture on the internet in the first place.

>>1022072

I'd say just don't be obnoxious. Unless you're like the hydrus dev, making constant updates and answering questions all the time, there's not much risk of slipping up when making an on-topic post mentioning your project.

try freepo.st or laarc.io

>>1022175

whats the point in making a niggernews clone

>>1022097

Same brother, same

>>1021665

the best place imo to talk about real programming is language specific irc channels and a select few lang specific subplebbits imo (/r/haskell comes to mind)

>>1021679

this too, or just follow select blogs/profiles from people who know their shit.

>>1022232

>unironically shilling reddit

Explains a lot about the state of this board tbh

>>1021696

I agree with everything said here but it prompted a question so let me just type my thoughts out: is there a sort of ubiquitous medium for responding to blogs/content? Not platform specific, but almost analgous to group emails based off of whatever URL is being discussed?

This is probably a /really/ retarded question and I'm sure I'm over looking something like SMTP, but is there any existing platform independent way to discuss content like this? Currently URLs are discussed on /tech/, lobste.rs, HN, reddit, etc and maybe there's a more streamlined way to discuss things?

>>1022238

I am attracted to good content, and in my opinion that sub produces it.

>>1022240

>samefag

And yeah, the relevant xkdc comic about x+1 standards does come to mind. But wouldn't this be one standard to rule them all?

>>1022142

fucking SAVED. This post is so true it hurts.

What the fuck has gone wrong with the internet?

>>1022179

it was time to rewrite the OS in a memory-safe PL over 20 years ago nignog. also get rid of retarded ass concepts like terminal emulator as an OS while we're at it

futatsu.org

>>1022396

Phone posters lowered the average IQ of Internet users by 40 points.

>>1022396

Nothing. Don't assume that the world wide web is the Internet. It's actually one part of what makes up the Internet.

bump

>>1029344

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as the web is in fact, WWW/Internet, or as I've recently taken to calling it, WWW plus Internet. The web is not the internet itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Internet system made useful by HTTP, TCP, IP, other minor protocols, and vital physical components comprising a full network. Many computer users use a variety of networking protocols everyday without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the web which is widely used today is often called "The Internet", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically just the web, accessed through a graphical browser. There really is an intrrnet, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. The web is just the totality of websites, a bunch of interactive hypertext documents. The web is an essential part of the modern internet, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete networking system. The web is normally used in combination with the internet: the whole system is basically the internet with the web added, or WWW/Internet. All the so-called "internet" users are really users of WWW/Internet.

>>1022137

>niggers in tech

lel

>>1022396

<internet used to be a nice place to get information and other stuffs

>terrible place, disinfo everywhere, low content and have to click "Next" to see more of the 15 page low priority clickbait and pass through a bunch of useless ads

>android can't even browse desktop sites, there's popups and "a href" injection JS that will modify the link to fake ad

>your only choice is to use the APP

>oh you're browsing reddit? 9gag? what else? sorry this is app only, please login or register

>reading quora? please login or register

>please login or register

>please login or register

>please solve the captcha, we want to ID your mouse speed and animation/ping speed since we detected that you're not using socian network sites :(

>give me your info before I give you info generated by its users

>our content is user generated, our revenue is user personal information

>what is cambridge analytica?

<cool forums for hangouts. username and profile pic were random interesting shit. people will laugh at you if you use your own pics.

>forums dead, social network lives - you're required to give away personal information and your picture otherwise you get banned

>what's worse is these sns sites even extended their tracking by making external websites integrate some tracker API that will link metadata of you and sites you browse

>forums now require your full name and address.

>oh and we also need your mobile number for emails, we want to know your cellID location and IMEI phone history.

<search engines were so good you can type very specific question in quotes and get what you want on first page

>search engines are now terrible, ad on 1st row, fakenews detector and forced censorship (no 8chan on google)

>at least we now have image search as consolation

<blazing fast on browsers, cool websites have flash and GIF emoticons you can use if you remember the BBcodes

>slow on most browsers and use 99% CPU and 60% RAM for no reason

>10% content, 50% visual ads that even autoplay videos NOW, 40% background trackers that calculate canvas fingerprints and bloated design that can't even smooth scroll with zero stutter on modern hardware or they made it smooth scroll but it is redundant with the browser's native smoothening

Also phones are shit.

They even now make popular apps read through app data with new exploits.

Think your notes app is safe? Think again, any app can read its contents.

Think you're anonymouse? Think again, app usage statistics can be read by ANY app ever since.

If you want to know why I won't tell you, its to keep this out >>1021653

>>1022070

but you're cute though

>>1021653

aww it's okey frien :)

*pats your head*

>>1039898

>>1039898

what the fuck happened to search engines, they got really bad really quick

>>1022232

>>1022238

He's right, programming reddit can be pretty decent. Lots of notable people hang around, so it's a little like a mailing list where I wouldn't want to call people niggers anyway.

>>1039973

Yep, also if you're doing Windows sysadmin / networking stuff Reddit can also have lots of decent info on troubleshooting, tweaking and optimization that I don't find anywhere else. You just have to ignore the $0.10c/post paid pajeet shills from Microsoft.

Still, it sucks that years ago most of these people who promote decent info and discussions would be hanging on forums instead of Reddit. I find Reddit an abhorrent site to use and navigate, usability-wise and interface-wise - especially if you actually have an account and use it to post. In some subs I can barely understand wtf is going on, they look completely chaotic to me, I believe mostly because of the system that sorts and promotes posts by relevance and upvoting rather by date. I don't know how normalfags can put up with this shit.

But at least, it's still on the clearweb and searchable through search engines instead of some closed platform such as Discord.

>>1040334

Hey, reddit sucks but you can make it somewhat more bearable. Switching to old reddit in the options already makes it much better. Then you can also sort submissions by date instead of popularity.

They ALL got pozzed during Gamergate or even earlier. YC was banning people for calling Snowden and Manning traitors when they were in the news for giving military secrets to China and Russia. I don't know of any decent ones that are left. Does anyone?

>>1039973

no, it's fucking shit and i've called people faggots there and get instabanned

Reddit, Stack Overflow, Hacker News... just alternate spellings for low IQ.

>>1042858

According to Slashdot users, the average Slashdot user IQ is 180, and around half of the userbase has been a marine working on missile tracking software. So you do you.

>>1021651

This.

The ironic rudeness is sometimes funny (cf. Double Nigger) , but probably prevents any kind of useful community from forming. imgboards are actual proof that event without persistent identity people will still jockey for comment level superiority even for a hyper-transient victory.

>>1021679

"Normies" is pointless argument. Full chan has all the freedom in the world (- rare pepes) is relatively censorship free , has no registration required, no persistent identity. Anybody can discuss anything, and out of that comes what?

Virtually everyone admits that no one on /tech/ knows anything - Outside a small collection of people with hyper-narrow interests (Unix Hater) who shill every thread (but at least with some knowledge). The vasts majority of posts are meme tier reposts, the same advice given hundreds of times daily by people who haven't taken their own medicine - Install Gentoo, Learn Computer Science and variety of boring hate speech that derails threads.

Meanwhile, Norman communities like hn, actually do in-depth discussions in a non-confrontational way and are interesting to read.

Why can't anonymous, no persistent identity, forum do the same ?

>>1021680

>The problem is everyone wants to be the next rising star on 8chan, a consistently rising number of people that have less and less original things to say. This endless tech-larping and promotion of gentoo is what really destroyed this side of the internet.

>>1021724

Your posting a ludite manifesto on the internet on a technology board.

>>1042940

>UNIX hater

>knowledge

Next you'll be telling us how smart the niggerpill fag is

>hn has in depth discussion

I've waste many hours scrolling through hn when I had nothing better to do. They have a much more diverse group of people, Ill give you that. But their interest and knowledge is limited to normal fag shit, they have very little that is particularly interesting to say. The best I can say about them is that they sometimes link to good stuff, but no one on there is producing it.

>Why can't anonymous, no persistent identity forum do the same?

We're too focused on OC posting. No one is allowed to have merely read a good opinion, you have to have one yourself, ideally won through personal experience. Maybe we should have a thread where people can post good blog posts and wiki articles or something.

>>1042955

>UNIX Hater

He is frequently wrong, and some how doesn't understand the difference between plaintext and XML, but at least his posts are interesting.

> But their interest and knowledge is limited to normal fag shit,

What is not "Normal Fag" shit? Its somehow both hn content, and instagram/facebook posts. Whats unique on full chan other than "NIGGERS" + Install Gentoo. In some ways, its kind of hilarious, but it ultimately doesn't produce useful skills of any kind.

>We're too focused on OC posting. No one is allowed to have merely read a good opinion, you have to have one yourself, ideally won through personal experience. Maybe we should have a thread where people can post good blog posts and wiki articles or something.

This might be a cure!