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 No.517>>519 >>520 >>522 >>525

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There were a few brief references to prequel material in TFA, like Rey's vision thing in the basement of the space pub. They show corridors that look like the ones on Mustafar and I think Ewan McGregor's voice can be heard. There's also Kylo Ren threatening to replace everyone with clones because of how shit the stormtroopers are half way through the movie. A pretty lame way to tie the lore together but I'm not surprised they were so reluctant and slap dash with it given the crowd they're trying to pander to.

Having a knock-off Coruscant with a different name was all-around stupid decision though. If they really wanted to steer away from prequel stuff, why bother making it look exactly the same? The only upside to that is that they didn't blow up the actual Coruscant.

The lack of lore integration will hurt their world-building in the long run, but perhaps that's a good thing. I don't really want Disney to succeed at making a good Star Wars universe.


 No.519

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>>517

Though I love Coruscant, it would've made for a stronger story had we seen it get allahu ackbar'd. One of the main failings of ANH in my mind is that we never see alderaan before it blows up. I'm of the mind Naboo should've just been Alderaan so we could develop an attachment to it over the prequels so it's destruction means more. They had a chance to fix a shortcoming of the movie they were ripping off by blowing up Coruscant and they still fucked it up because of the mindless prequel hate circle jerk

Disney truly is inept


 No.520

>>517

>They show corridors that look like the ones on Mustafar

nigga that shit was clearly cloud city.

but yes you are right about ewan mcgregor, he did a line for the movie, as did frank oz.


 No.522>>525 >>1624 >>1643

>>517

The whole "Death Star 3.0" was stupid, even more a Death Star which could hit a planet anywhere in the galaxy. How a starving remnant of the Empire would be able to build a planet killer when the Empire at it's height needed a galactic economy to build a DS? And improve the tech when they couldn't even field a proper SD armada?


 No.524>>526

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There are some, but it seems mostly confined to supplementary media. It's all the more frustrating because I'm sure it's 30-something suits living in fear that referencing the prequels will earn them the neckbeard ire of plebs who can only parrot Mr. Plinkett in describing their belief that the prequels were the single greatest sin against space opera.

One of the little things turning me off BEAttlefront was how they gave Palpatine the infamous Sheev Spin as one of his moves complete with echoing battle cry and yet he doesn't make use of his lightsaber. Whenever somebody in say the comments section of a YouTube video would ask why he doesn't just use lightsaber iaido like he did in Battlefront 2 some sperg invariably would reply that it would only bring "the shitty prequels" to mind because "REAL Palpatine doesn't need a lightsaber."

The new novels, however, have many Clone Wars era references and some of the returning authors are trying to matriculate bits and pieces of their better received works back into Disney chronology. Timothy Zahn's new book has apparently taken awhile to edit because he's working with Che and/or Hidalgo to see just how much old Thrawn stuff he can modify or import wholesale from "Legends."


 No.525>>527

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>>517

They basically did want to bring the New Republic into political chaos to make the First Order an undeniable threat without pissing off nerds by vaporizing Coruscant. The justification spun into the lore was that following the collapse of the Empire, the framers of the New Republic prioritized eliminating any semblance of an undue concentration of authority.

Given the continual drama between the core and rim worlds driving both the Clone Wars and the Imperial age, this is a reasonable concern. The way they tried to fix it, though, was to just shuffle the Republic's capital world every few years in order to avoid the progressive accumulation of power in any one location. This would mean that eventually every planet would have a Senate building that sort of just stays empty for decades at a time.

>>522

The only explanation thusfar is that the First Order knows they don't have the logistics or population to utilize the Galactic Empire's preferred method of overwhelming brute force, so they're putting all of their efforts into refined, technical, sophisticated, quality munitions and military. That's why Stormtroopers are raised from birth to be super commandos and even basic TIE fighters have shields and hyperdrives.

How they managed to turn a planet into a weapon that shoots energy through hyperspace though is still stretching it. The only clue we have so far is that in little places in the novels they keep referring to the source of the Dark Side. Characters speak of Palpatine wanting to derive the origin of that particular nature in the Force and suspecting it may be in Wild Space or even a result of extragalactic influence. The Catalyst novel sorta implies that Palpatine himself received the basic idea of a Death Star through meditation and left it up to competing engineers in the CIS and Republic to work out the practical means to realize it.

Maybe it'll turn out that Starkiller Base and any other impossible weapons seen in the sequel trilogy are connected to Snoke. Just speculation.


 No.526>>529 >>533

>>524

>Timothy Zahn's new book has apparently taken awhile to edit because he's working with Che and/or Hidalgo to see just how much old Thrawn stuff he can modify or import wholesale from "Legends."

the sad part is, i bet it's more cuckquean kennedy deciding how sjw-friendly it has to be. you know for a fact that leland chee and pablo hidalgo would literally just copy and paste the thrawn trilogy and be done with it, but because it was retconned into rebels, pretty much everything has to be redone.


 No.527>>528

>>525

>The Catalyst novel sorta implies that Palpatine himself received the basic idea of a Death Star through meditation and left it up to competing engineers in the CIS and Republic to work out the practical means to realize it.

that's incredibly retarded, i was fine with the geonosians coming up with the plans for sheev, and then sheev enslaving them to build it and driving them to extinction.


 No.528

>>527

In the end it pretty much ended up the same way. Orson Krennic (the white supremacist nazi whowantstokillsixmilliontoydarians) knew that the project was behind schedule and the Republic's engineers were still having trouble figuring out how to assemble the habitable module into the superstructures of the latitudinal and longitudinal rings. He met with Archduke Poggle the Lesser, who was still a Republic prisoner at the time, and played on his fear that soon without industry to obsess over the Stalgasin Hive would naturally seek war and conquest with other Geonosian hives killing one another by the millions. Poggle put the hive to work with its drones assembling the Death Star after vacuum labor by droids finished and tasking its engineers with smoothing out the practical kinks in the construction along the way.

However, Poggle was still more trusting of the Confederacy than the Republic. When Count Dooku arranged to liberate him from Republic custody, he ordered the Geonosians still on the Death Star to riot and undo much of their own progress both to cover their escape and retard the base's completion. This was part of the reason that Sheev decided to Shoah Geonosis, and why it looks the way it does in the Darth Vader comics.


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>>526

I thought a little about that. My prediction is that she'll demand there be an obnoxious surplus of events every other chapter or so about how hard Thrawn has to work to overcome Imperial [s]white[/s] human supremacy. While there were casual references to this in the original EU, Kennedy is like most women in positions of editorial/managerial power and has no concept of subtlety.

That's admittedly a conservative best case expectation. I guess they could always bring back Palleon as a gay bottom twink teenager with feminine hips.


 No.533

>>526

>just copy and paste the thrawn trilogy and be done with it

Not while tfa (The Fucked Anthology) exists…


 No.534

>>529

That's Zhe Palleon to you! :^)


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Just got sent a time-stamped link to the Disney Star Wars channel video of the debut screening in Hollywood. They had Will Wheaton say, "The prequels of which we do not speak!" on the red carpet.

The amount of "How do you do, fellow kids?" Disney is reaching here are making me cringe out the window.


 No.690>>700

>>535

Wil Wheaton sure thinks a lot of himself, and corporate suits think a lot of him too. If bad Rogue One reviews keep coming then in ten years he'll be saying the exact same thing about these new movies just to fit in with his new social media audiences.


 No.700

>>690

Because he thinks he's the voice of today's youth and fighting a just cause by aligning with social justice. He's only the voice of pretentious 30 year old hipsters who wish they were still kids.


 No.736>>762

>>535

>huurrr prequels are bad!!!!!!!!

The people who say this are totally fine with lightsaber helicopters though.


 No.762

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>>736

In my experience, the people who hate the prequels with that much venom also despise The Clone Wars and Rebels just for being cartoons and are religiously insistent that the only true Star Wars films are the unedited theatrical versions of the OT.

That's not to say the Yoshimitsu lightsabers weren't an egregious mistake. I could have accepted them if it were established in the beginning the spinning emitter models could do that, but Filoni's damage control afterward where he sputtered that the hilts contained miniaturized repusorift technology makes me question the praise he gets from fan fags.


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Am I the only person who loves the original films AND the bulk of the 80's/90's Expanded Universe but despises the prequels and anything spawning from them and that era? I don't just hate them because the movies are objectively shit (face it, Plinkett was generally right about the movies being mostly soulless and autistic. They're in fact unique in their badness which makes them almost fascinating.)

I hate them because the art style/etc. feels nothing like Star Wars. I feel like if you took the prequels and altered the minimal amount of things to make them solid movies, I still wouldn't care for them. The sad thing is it looks like, seeing all the trailers and clips of Rogue One, that the movie nailed the look and feel of Star Wars that I loved just right, yet this is on the cusp of decanonizing most of what I took for granted about Star Wars, so it's really awkward for me. The irony is that look, feel, and balance of sci-fi, fantasy, and mystery is what led me to eating up the old EU. I liked the contrast the Star Trek universe had in themes.


 No.894

>>771

Personally I think Star Wars died around 2000 myself. TPM sure, but you also had Lucas' other efforts starting to swirl down the toilet around that time as well. Most notable was LucasArts, they went for nearly 15-20 years at that point releasing a solid nearly every time, and then it's like a switch was flipped and all the good stuff just largely stopped suddenly. Sure you had KOTOR and the later Jedi Knight games, but hardly as groundbreaking as the first two Dark Forces games or TIE Fighter. Not even talking about the good non-SW stuff they made, but I digress.

I know that I was huge into SW mid/late 90s. Five/seven odd years later I was to the point where my main SW hit for a given year was tossing in the SWHS with acquaintances at Christmas parties and make them question their life up until that point. Nowadays I can't even bother with that, I don't care about the franchise one way or another anymore. I can just about muster the interest to play the X-Wing or Dark Forces games for a little while since they are so good, but I don't give a fuck about the setting really.


 No.1623

>>516 (OP)

I dig green Jar Jar.


 No.1624>>1625

>>522

The Farce Awakens was literally bad fanfiction.


 No.1625>>1626 >>1630

>>1624

If you removed rey, starkiller base, han dying and the cut/paste ep 4 plot, it would be decent fan fiction.

I'm really hoping rian johnson doesn't fuck up ep 8. He's more of a fan than JJ, but also approves of poe/finn shipping, and ep 8 is supposed to have two gay characters. Time will tell.


 No.1626>>1628

>>1625

To be fair VII would have been great if it was just a gay bromance between Poe and Finn. Seriously, the first 20 minutes of the film with those two worked on so many levels.


 No.1628>>1633

>>1626

>gay bromance

bromance yes

gay no

seriously, it could just have been poe and finn fighting the remnant all over the galaxy and maybe link up with han and chewie by chance and i would have loved it

but the agendas need to stop getting pushed in


 No.1630

>>1625

better gay then BLACKED


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>>1628

>Gay means homosexual

Plebs leave.


 No.1638

>>1633

>muh context


 No.1643>>1777

>>522

Not a big TFA fan, but pretty sure building Starkiller base from an existing planet rather than an entire space station in a vacuum from scratch would probably be easier and cheaper.


 No.1777

>>1643

>hollowing out a planet and creating a chamber to contain solar nuclear fussion and then accelerate it to ftl speeds is easier than building a small moon sized station




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