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 No.1336[Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

At least it's not "The Spiritual Successor."

 No.1337>>1383 >>1391

>return of the jedi

>the last jedi

ya blew it


 No.1339>>1342 >>1343 >>1353

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I'm starting to suspect that Disney doesn't consider Return of the Jedi to be canon because everything that happened in that movie seems to have been rendered completely irrelevant to the new "canon".

Luke being the last hope of the Jedi? Nope, he fucks up and everyone dies soon afterwards so Rey has to be the last hope of the Jedi instead.

The (repeated) foreshadowing of Leia becoming a Jedi like Luke? Nope, everyone just forgot about that and she grew up to be a normal cranky old lady with no special powers other than hearing voices in her head.

Han and Leia falling in love? Nope, they just broke up, apparently true love wasn't true love at all and their kiss on Endor was a mistake.

The dark side being vanquished and it's followers sent back into hiding? Nope, they're the dominant force yet again.

Return of the Jedi may as well have not happened. If this is the story route Disney really wanted to go down then they should have just declared their intention to create their own timeline continuing from Empire Strikes Back where things go differently and for one reason or another the empire is still the dominant power in the galaxy, the rebels are still the underdogs and all the old heroes are still desperately fighting the same war decades later with the help of new characters. At least the reboot would be less half-assed this way and the rest of the Star Wars community would be able to easily differentiate between the divergent Return of the Jedi and Force Awakens timelines, kind of like the split timelines in Star Trek now.


 No.1341>>1345

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Just when you think it couldn’t get any worse…

>people will pay to watch this

>reviewers & fans will claim it is better than RotJ & the PT

>RLM will love it

>More CGI than the OT & the PT combined with no models/miniatures

>SJW approved, with a diverse cast (ie non-whites & women)

>The further adventures of Mary Sue Rey


 No.1342

>>1339

I wouldn't be surprised if they soft retconned it because it's the least popular movie of the OT.


 No.1343>>1345 >>1346 >>1348

I already expected Rey to receive the torch from Luke, but what I really want to know is those rumors that she's the reincarnated Chosen One are correct. For an IP that's jumped as many sharks as Star Wars, this would be the megalodon

>>1339

I'm worried that Luke is going to end up getting bisected by Kylo Ren to prompt some super saiyan powerup by Rey. I don't know if Leia needed to become a full jedi but they did waste ample potential to have her develop interesting abilities before… y'know.

To be fair about Han and Leia breaking up, though, it's not like they woke up one morning and decided the marriage was dead without young people sex. They stayed together for decades until their son got drunk on metaphysical evil and became the executioner for the Neo-Empire. Might not have been enough to wedge them apart if Leia hadn't decided to keep secrets from Han because she assumed only she and Luke could protect Ben from the Dark Side.

As for the dark side coming back in full swing, that happened in the EU as well. It was the point of the Legacy Era.


 No.1345

>>1341

RLM will only love it if Rey and Finn kiss, otherwise they'll just like it.

>>1343

the problem isn't them copying the EU (we all knew that would happen the day they declared it non-canon), it's how they're going about it. han dying because of his son? shitty copy of chewbacca dying while saving anakin solo. ben solo? doesn't make a lick of sense, unless luke suggested the name. the first order? really guys, there's plenty of evidence to show that nazi germany had a smaller influence on the empire than we all are led to believe.

i can go on all day, but i'd rather shoot myself than have to list every unoriginal aspect of the farce awakens.

probably the one good thing they did was not have the sith return, calling that bitch ass numale a sith would be a disgrace to us rabid fans everywhere and george would probably hang himself.


 No.1346>>1347 >>1351

>>1343

>As for the dark side coming back in full swing, that happened in the EU as well. It was the point of the Legacy Era.

And the Legacy Era happened about a hundred years after Return of the Jedi, so that's more than a few generations of Jedi dominance in the galaxy before the Sith made their comeback. In addition, Krayt didn't just resurrect the old rule of two set up, he was running things in a complete different manner.

Now contrast that with Disney's movies which only take place a couple of decades later and already the Jedi are wiped out and the dark side is back to business as usual with a dynamic between Kylo Ren and Snoke that is broadly identical to Vader and Sheev's rule of two administration.

The EU took it's time and did something more original, whereas this just presents even more of the same. The two approaches aren't really comparable.


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>>1346

The goal is not to tell a safe story, not to tell a good story. So, they're going with what has worked (as in made money) before.


 No.1348>>1351 >>1354 >>1356

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>>1343

There's like a 75% chance they kill Luke in this movie. The problem with that (other than the obvious one of killing Luke fucking Skywalker) is that they're clearly pushing for some kind of redemption arc for Kylo. But he's already committed patricide in cold blood. If he kills his uncle/mentor, who is also yet another beloved character like Han, he's gonna be pretty much irredeemable to audiences, if he's not already. I mean even Vader (and to an extent Maul with savage) wouldn't knowingly let his family die when the chips were down, so we're to assume that Kylos just that big of a piece of shit. Not to mention that we've seen Kylo do all this terrible shit. Vaders redemption would've been a much harder sell back in the 80s if we knew he killed a kindergartens worth of kids when he first turned.


 No.1351

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>>1346

The same pattern was also established in the chronology preceding the time of the films. The Republic entered a Dark Age during which the Sith were supreme, the Jedi marginalized, and the Republic more or less a Coruscanti rump state. The Galactic power scale was thrown off before then or even the existence of the Sith during Xendor's rebellion. I'd also count the supremacy of the Rakatan Infinite empire a time where the darkness eclipsed the light.

On the whole, I'd say it's keeping with tradition even if the Old Republic era collectively pulled it off better. I don't know how similar Kylo and Snoke are to the Baneite Sith since we don't yet know how the Knights of Ren really operate and if they're part of a new paradigm or basically the same as inquisitors. Sadly I don't think they'll serve as much more than canon fodder for Luke and Rey in the sequel, so either interpretation may be equally valid.

I don't think the point, though, is that the dark side is dominant in TFA. Both the light and the dark are stirring and flaring up after a long period of relative dormancy, I think.

>>1348

I expect this too. Disney is so afraid of geek chic faux nerd rage like played up resentment of the prequels that they're sticking to a very predictable formulae for the big motion pictures. It's almost like they make their writers browse the TV Tropes articles for Star Wars and use the cliches as storytelling LEGO blocks. They're going to redeem Kylo Ren not because it's interesting or sensible, but because they just think that Star Wars needs redemption arcs.

BioWare did the same thing with the last The Old Republic expansion by letting players choose to redeem the last expansion's villain even though he started the most widespread war in the Legends history and ordered what amounted to exterminatus on 5 densely populated random worlds to "send a message."

It was only tenuously justified by the fact that the true villain wants you to kill him and vengeance, and said villain is a perpetual liar and manipulator to the point where a savvy character always does the opposite of what he suggests.


 No.1352>>1356

It's going to suck. Calling it now


 No.1353>>1357 >>1362

>>1339

>Rebels defeat Empire

>The sith are dead

>Balance is restored to the force

>Fast forward 30 years later, the rebels are still fighting the empire as the "resistance" and the empire is still being run by 2 sith/bad guys

Fuck Disney (Jews), this new trilogy is not canon to me. The EU is the true canon, episode 7 did not fucking happen.


 No.1354>>1356

>>1348

Someone named Kylo Ren never killed Han Solo. It didn't happen. Episode 7 never happened. This entire trilogy never fucking happened. I do not call it canon. It's kike made fan fiction to reel in sheckles.


 No.1356

>>1354

this

>>1352

most likely this as well, i can't wait for the spoilers to start dropping, i didn't do enough with the last film and need to make up for it.

>>1348

vader's redemption (both pre and post PT) only works because he dies as well, ironically fulfilling the prophecy. had they gone the infinities/hidden fortress route and had him convert back to the light side, everyone would bash it harder than the prequels (and deservedly so).


 No.1357>>1358

>>1353

forgot to include this in my post as well. i'm not against a repeat of the dark side vs the light side, and tbh i like the fact that ren and snoke are not sith, but just a new faction of force users, but the way they've gone about it just shits all over the ending of rotj. the battle of jakku is also stupid and pointless.


 No.1358>>1359

>>1357

>i like the fact that ren and snoke are not sith

M8, they're going to be called Sith.


 No.1359>>1360

>>1358

they best fucking not


 No.1360>>1364

>>1359

Why do you even care what Disney does in their fanfiction. They've already made it clear that they have no connection to the six actual Star Wars film by contradicting elements of A New Hope and Return of the Jedi.


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>>1353

The First Order are the consolidated equivalent of what would have been the Imperial Remnant in the old timeline. The Republic just signed a treaty with them earlier and allowed them to have a pot to piss in over in frontier space so they could use resources to rebuild after the Civil War instead of fighting Imperial diehards for another two generations.

The Resistance are an off the books paramilitary group more or less. The Republic government wanted to ignore whatever the First Order was doing, so Senator Leia Organa raised this militia to protect far out there worlds from the First Order's expansion. The Republic doesn't try to stop them since going after the legendary war heroes like Leia Organa and Glial Ackbar is political suicide, but they don't equip them to do the job either.

I suppose it's supposed to mirror the Lend Lease situation with an overlaying theme that isolationism in the face of expansionary fascism is bad. Added with an extra seasoning of "big corporations are dicks" because the ability of the First Order to rearm and commit to R&D so quickly is partially attributed to corruption in the Corporate Sector.

As far as I know, though, it's pretty much true that two villains are calling the shots. The other Knights of Ren clearly don't have as much influence as Kylo and probably won't have more than one line apiece and a couple swings of their Devil May Cry melee weapons before Luke and Rey steamroll them. The new management doesn't seem to understand how to differentiate between having the courage to kill off one's "babies" and wasting a character's potential.


 No.1364>>1369

>>1360

>Why do you even care what Disney does in their fanfiction.

it's either that or go back to swtor, since that's the only new (((legends))) content being produced.


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>>1362

>tfw the Resistance is the most Jewish thing ever

Your post just made me hate Disney Star Wars even more, I don't know how that's possible.


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>>1366

Well, since the First Order is breaking treaties and annexing neutral territories, it's hard to say the Jews are wrong.


 No.1369>>1375

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>>1364

>TOR is last will and testament of "legends"

>when it inevitably gets cancelled the last remnants of the old EU will have been swept away forever


 No.1375>>1377

>>1369

And even TOR is taking enough liberties with the lore that it almost feels like they're setting up an alternate continuity within the timeline that treads over the Republic Dark Age.

Can't say I really blame them, though. If I were working on an ongoing project and got told one day that its lore and background information wouldn't count anymore, it would be tempting not to just shamelessly fanfic and still draw a paycheck.


 No.1377>>1379 >>1381

>>1375

>If I were working on an ongoing project and got told one day that its lore and background information wouldn't be included in the Disney nuWars universe

This is a bad thing, how exactly?


 No.1379>>1381

>>1377

checked, and it isn't a bad thing, unless the lore you're making is just as pants-on-head retarded as the garbage getting pumped out under disney.

to my understanding, the only good parts of swtor are the imperial agent class storyline, most of the dark side storylines, and the last two big story expansions, provided you play those class storylines.


 No.1381>>1382

>>1377

It's only bad, I guess, if you're highly invested in the idea of everything in the timeline apposing neatly without retcons or ambiguity.

Honestly I never cared that much about what happened after RotJ excepting the Thrawn cycle and the Legacy era so it doesn't bother me that much. Some things, though, about TOR's lore with the last two expansions play a little loose with precedent, which is what makes me feel like some of the writers at BioWare Austin said, "Fuck it," and decided to let their inner teenager go crazy.

I would say it takes advantage of about as many possibilities and what ifs in the lore as KotOR II but with less of a deconstructing theme than a willingness to go over the top with the operatic part of space opera.

>>1379

It's mostly a matter of taste, but most people agree that the Imperial Agent class story had the most objectively skilled and competent storytelling in it. The best received story for lore hounds like after the vanilla game was Rise of the Hutt Cartel, which was written by the same man, Alexander Freed.

Incidentally, Freed wrote one of the better pre-reboot comic mini-series and one of the good post-reboot canon novels: Twilight Company. He has some talent for pulling off ambiguity in what is usually a very black and white IP giving humanizing vices to heroes and giving compelling motivations to villains.


 No.1382

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>>1381

>Alexander Freed

>He has some talent for pulling off ambiguity in what is usually a very black and white IP giving humanizing vices to heroes and giving compelling motivations to villains

>this is what he looks like

Hmm, it's almost like he's part of the core audience of Star Wars and understands what makes Star Wars cool.


 No.1383>>1439

>>1337

they blew it when they made the first movie

sw is shit


 No.1391

>>1337

>>You're discriminating against their non-native English speaking marketing team.


 No.1411

>>1368

That comic is wrong.

There's nothing in it about how much /pol/ hates jews. Niggers are just one of the jews' golems


 No.1439

>>1383

GET >>>/out/

please




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