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Too bad it was an EU invention only. Because it simply doesn't make sense not having having a couple of those on Endor.

>>11073

I've always wondered why they weren't more common, given the major tactical potential of interdiction fields.

>>11074

Maybe they were costly? Gotta focus the budget on the Death Stars.

>>11074

The EU explanation was that the Empire was stupid and wanted to only build ISDs, which is kind of unsatisfactory.

I always thought it was because they were developed post-Yavin and not yet deployed in large numbers by the time of Endor. This makes the most sense as an explanation, and the X-Wing or TIE Fighter video game manuals seemed to imply they were developed and deployed to counter Rebel hit and run tactics and just weren’t rolled out fully.

>>11075

>>11076

I'll buy (har) both costly and slow rollout. Those gravity projectors can't come cheap, and I heard somewhere that they were rather delicate to build.

Empire at War's Imperial Civil War mod has them costing 9000 credits a pop, for what it's worth.

>>11076

>The EU explanation was that the Empire was stupid and wanted to only build ISDs, which is kind of unsatisfactory.

The only possible explanation, since if they were a iota smarter the rebellion would have ended since the closure of the Senate.

>>11079

Even so, Palpatine wasted trillion of credits in those DS. A vital operation like Endor would have included some Interdictors, even more as the fleet express order was "Stop them from escaping".

Again, his "entire legion of best troops" were clinically retarded (From an outside universe it can be acceptable, the heroes need to win or there is no movie, in-universe, impossible to swallow).

>>11087

Also found this

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Interdictor-class_Star_Destroyer

>If the Empire knew how to build smart---not just big—they would have made thousands more Interdictors. If they had, we might not have survived." ―Leia Organa[src]

>Cost 175,000,000 credits[1]

>ISD

>Cost 150,000,000 credits[6]

Expensive toys indeed.

>>11087

>in-universe, impossible to swallow

In-universe, a possible explanation is a hundred troops were attacked by thousands of Ewoks and 3 AT-STs were destroyed. The bulk of the Imperial Forces were in the facility when it blew up, and the survivors were fucked when the Imperial Fleet was routed after the Emperor was killed.

We know there was at least one AT-AT on the surface and it’s unlikely anything the Ewoks have could take one out. Probably X-Wings and orbital bombardment killed most of them.

>>11092

Also keep in mind that EU content has heavily implied that the Emperor was using battle-meditation to make his fleet much more effective. It may be that Sheev selected his "entire legion of best troops" mostly on physical attributes and generic skill as opposed to tactical creativity, because he assumed that the influence of his powers would make the latter redundant.

>>11092

>In-universe, a possible explanation is a hundred troops were attacked by thousands of Ewoks and 3 AT-STs were destroyed

>hundreds of troops

We don't know, could be more. Palpatine mentioned "an entire legion" which imply actually thousands of troops.

>thousands of Ewoks

Actually we saw dozens, hundreds at best. Besides the damaged caused by the ewoks were neglible

The main issue was their behaviour. It was clinically retarded. They chased teddy bears instead of killing the rebels on spot. Even after the ewok ambush they tried to capture the rebels, for fuck's sake.

The bunker commander was clinically retarded, he didn't even bothered to check who was communicating from the AT-ST. He surrended to a less than 50 rebels when they entered again in the bunker. Fuck, even if it was a backdoor… they don't have security cameras? They couldn't divert the bulk of the garrison to the rebel position? They knew that was only one rebel team, everybody knew.

>>11093

>battle meditation

I can't stand that asspull to justifty lame writing, trying to fix that. It would be better if everyone admited that the imperials were retarded. Even if Frank was giving a buff he was focused on the navy. The bunker was a vital asset, you don't leave that to chance. Again Palpatine was retarded enough to command the DS to blow up Endor if the shield generator were to be destroyed, just because.

>>11073

The EU makes it so they WERE at Endor, you just didn't see them.

>>11088

Most of the cost is in the Star Destroyer itself. The smaller Immobilizer Cruisers cost only about 50 million and those are considered cheap enough they can be stuck to a planet as customs vessels.

If you want to go by RPG mechanics, according to the Saga Edition version of Starships of the Galaxy, one gravity well generator only costs 50,000 credits. Throw two on an Action Six, install the best shields and sublight that can fit and you're still under 2 million credits with room in space and budget for some weapons. This is relatively fragile if you can get through the shields (In Saga Edition mechanics shields block all attacks under their damage rating, but start losing power once something gets through. Proton Torpedoes or missiles can beat the maximum shield rating you can stick on an Action Six, but only on a better than average damage rolls or with a pilot specializing in bombings.)

>>11093

Not just heavily implied. As early as Heir to the Empire you have high ranking imps (including Thrawn himself I recall) say he did it. The name "Battle Meditation" just wasn't created yet.

Interdictors seem like they'd be a logistics nightmare if deployed anywhere but a backwater. You're going to catch a ton of legitimate traffic from whichever lane you plopped the thing on, which then needs to be processed to make sure none of them are rebels. Worth it if you have real intelligence that the actual rebel fleet is around, but otherwise carries too high an economic cost to do frequently

>>11099

>Not just heavily implied. As early as Heir to the Empire you have high ranking imps (including Thrawn himself I recall) say he did it. The name "Battle Meditation" just wasn't created yet.

Yeah, poor word choice on my part. I was referring to Thrawn's comments in Heir to the Empire actually.

>>11100

This. Expensive and inconvenient unless you have to deal with massive amounts of enemy bullshit on a regular basis.

Speaking of EU ships, anyone recognize the SSD seen here?

>>11184

http://www.moddb.com/mods/empire-at-war-re/images/commission-annihilator

It's a fan design someone commissioned.

>>11072 (OP)

I use my Y-Wing bombers to take it out.

Why didn't they light speed out after realizing the "trap"? Was it tractor beams?

>>11188

Probably because the gravity well prevents them from jumping to lightspeed and has them more or less trapped.

>>11184

>Wolverine speaking all the time

Quite maddening…

>>11122

I suppose Interdictors are deployed to combat zones, not your regular blockade and check points of civilian areas. They are to blockade capital ships, convoys and fleet movements, not individual fighters or freighters.

>>11072 (OP)

I'll just drive my shitty rebel cruiser .001 miles faster than the interdictor

#Rianislord

>>11218

They've really written themselves into a hole by pulling that stupid hyperspace strike in TLJ without explanation. Old lore always tried to steer away from such shit if it could with the few times it happened being a matter of necessity which was restricted by warfare code. By pulling this shit in a movie of all things, Disney is going to write themselves into a hole and others will wonder why "da bad gaiz" don't do the same exact shit. Disney is trying to avoid "boring senate stuff" like the plague, so no change of trying to explain why no one else does it.

>>11079

Speaking of that, anyone else play this mod? 2.2 release comes at the end of this month, and they're running final testing demos now.

>>11295

Every new idea they added to this film destroyed the lore in some *significant* way.

Rian is a cuck of the highest order.

>>11072 (OP)

I never understood why an Indicator only came in two sizes, modified Enforcer Class Frigate or modified ISD. Why didn't they use Victory Class Frigates instead of Enforcers? just as plentiful for practical purposes and beefier without needing to use a full on ISD. Hell the Empire had a ton of Venators lying around that could have been used as Indicators instead of being scraped.

>>12018

Power output perhaps? Those gravity well generators might just need that much wattage in order to function properly. Also, it would make sense to me that if you're designing a vessel that's designed to keep other vessels from escaping, you should make sure that you can outgun whatever it is you're trapping, and/or inadvertently pull out of hyperspace because they're passing through.

>Indicator class

Oh, nevermind then. You're completely correct, Indicator-class vessels should all be cheap disposable frigates, since their only purpose is to supply targeting data for longer-range capital ships.

>>12019

i meant interdictor, and i admittingly got some things wrong. the Enforcer is a modification of the Vindicator, which is what the Immobilizer 418 is based off of. Still the Victory II is listed at being 900m and is far beefier than a Vindicator, while being just as plentiful for practical purposes of conversion. Why the 600m and far weaker Vindicator was chosen is beyond me.

>>11295

I find it best to ignore any content from post-Disney-sale Star Wars media. Most of it has proven to be contradictory or nonsensical.

In the old days, Star Wars lore was expanded upon by artists, authors and creative types who wanted to tell good stories. Now it's controlled by corporate suits and disinterested boardroom committees trying to generate income.