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this used to be why I hated voyager and enterprise and all the movies after first contact. I was spoiled by ds9.

>>9340

It's been a long road

>>9340

>>9342

>I very much doubt the possibility of replicating that level of quality in any future Trek content.

One of the things that made the progressive jump from series to series work so well was that it was similar teams of writers, producers, propmakers, costumers, and designers behind every series. They lost some people along the way, but at it's core, the people who made 90s Trek what it was saw the shows through for many years. Being able to take a character like Worf from TNG and give him several huge, meaningful arcs in DS9 was not something just anyone could do. So, right off the bat, regardless of budget or passion or claims of dedication, no new studio or team will be able to replicate that unique style and feel of Star Trek and most probably won't even try because they have corporate execs up their asses telling them to write Game of Thrones but in space.

>>9341

getting from there to here

The one thing that sucked about DS9? The opening credits sequence. It was just lame. They should have focused more on the ships leaving and arriving instead of a million boring shots of the station. That sleep inducing theme didn't help much either. It makes Voyager's lame opening look like Citizen Kane.

>>9383

>The one thing that sucked about DS9? The opening credits sequence. It was just lame. They should have focused more on the ships leaving and arriving instead of a million boring shots of the station. That sleep inducing theme didn't help much either. It makes Voyager's lame opening look like Citizen Kane.

>90 second openings, is that just lazy cop out to pad runtime

>breaking bad was only a hit because nobody flipped the channel at the 5 second opening

>>9384

Hey I'm serious. Watch the openings to TNG and DS9 side by side. TNG is awesome and even makes me slightly aroused. DS9 makes a thanksgiving dinner seem like a hit of crack.

TNG https://youtube.com/watch?v=7tIWYtcwp2I

Holy fuck that was awesome. I actually started to get a boner. The music was uptempo and layered with harmony. It had the accretion disk and exoplanets for the monologue, then you get smacked with music and the Enterprise screaming across the screen tearing subspace a new asshole. My friend's kid yells, "YES!: everytime the Enterprise zooms by. The first season opening is almost exactly the same, except the planets are our own.

DS9: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2TsMyLt2BTM

Oh shit, is it over? I kinda dozed off there. It starts with that stupid comet trying to cropdust the quadrant with space farts, as we hear the opening theme begin, which I believe is officially titled "Sleepy Space Trumpet Lullaby." Then we are treated to a billion shots of the station. Oh wow some docking pylons. Oh look the bottom has red lights. Oh look docking pylons again. Wow red lights. It's finally over.

I'll admit I haven't finished DS9 yet. When looking for a video of the opening, I noticed there was a differnt opening for season 6. HOLY SHIT. It was exactly what I was talking about. There are ships flying around and we even see a galaxy class ship docked, which I choose to believe is the Enterprise. The theme still sucks, but the visuals are a million times better.

>>9396

>I'll admit I haven't finished DS9 yet. When looking for a video of the opening, I noticed there was a differnt opening for season 6. HOLY SHIT. It was exactly what I was talking about. There are ships flying around and we even see a galaxy class ship docked, which I choose to believe is the Enterprise. The theme still sucks, but the visuals are a million times better.

There were at least 3 versions iirc, season 1-3, season 4 when worfs join, and another switch somewhere along the way. The music was altered slightly or remixed, a heavy drum opening that wasn't there to in the early seasons. If you binge the series you'll notice those same SFX shots, especially the two Bajoran patrol craft are heavily reused, they even follow the same path every time.

>>9342

>VOY arguably did it the worst by completely disregarding the Eugenics Wars on two seperate occasions.

Future's End was one occasion, what was the other? Was it that millennium Janeway episode?

Two questions: One, how well did Marc Alaimo get along with the cast, Nana Visitor included? Two, was Avery Brooks really a glorious nut off the set?

Speaking of the latter, watching Emissary again made me realize: Sisko never left Jennifer.

>>9396

I hear you m8, I skip DS9 opening most of the time but the TNG opening is something I sit through more than once sometimes without even realizing I'm just rewatching it because it's so tits.

>>9442

>B5 set in the star trek universe

It's called DS9 season 1

>>9442

>B5 set in the star trek universe would be the penultimate sci-fi.

:D

I guess what you're saying is that it would have prevented enterprise's creation. or better yet, it would have prevented the creation of farscape, the flash, and the walking dead.

personally, I don't believe that. also, I liked farscape.

>>9466

You're not the only one who enjoys Crichton's long decent into madness combined with the Jim Henson Company's alien costumes and animatronics.

But its nowhere near as good as B5's Narn and Centauri politics or the PSI Corps.

DS9 was basically just put into production after JMS had pitched the idea of B5 set in trek to paramount and been turned down because he wanted creative control. JMS latter got another studio to let him make B5 and do it his own way latter.

Make no mistake, DS 9 is by and large the best trek show made, but B5 was better.

Just imagine, a DS 9 with the Centauri and Londo as the Cardassians, G'Kar and the Narn instead of those whiny bajoran bastards and the PSI Corps instead of Section 31. All we need is something to take the place of the Shadows and the Vorlorns and you're set.

>>9442

>B5 set in the star trek universe would be the penultimate sci-fi

>Penultimate

After what?

>>9345

>no new studio or team will be able to replicate that unique style and feel of Star Trek and most probably won't even try because they have corporate execs up their asses telling them to write Game of Thrones but in space.

The worst part is, I feel like with all the love of Trek out there (and here on /strek/) the passion and talent probably does exist to make a truly great new Star Trek, but they will never be allowed to organize themselves, much less receive proper funding. There's just no chance.

>>9423

The episode "11:59PM", the one where Janeway talks about her ancestor, is the other episode where they ignore Trek history.

>>9396

>>9444

Personally, my favorite opening was Voyager's. It had a medley of lovely and enigmatic space scenery mixed with a beautiful melody that, to me, perfectly captured the concept of boldly exploring the unknown. The show itself, of course, failed to do the same. My second favorite is ENT's Mirror Universe theme.

>>9546

Voyager's is ok, but I always found it pretty unimpressive. The visuals are good. I particularly like the shot where Voyager is kind of reflecting in the ice belt, but the song is only a little better than DS9's weak ass theme.

>>9615

> DS9's weak ass theme

It's everything wrong with McCarthy's style, the overuse of horns and brass in general.

I'm glad that he managed to have more freedom on ENT.

>>9546

Considering that every studio keeps handing off these projects only to JJ Abrams because he's the 'high concept sci-fi guy' and most large studios are in a constant state of paranoia that not hiring the most expensive, most well known talent (and I use that term lightly) will mean that a project will flop, the best we could ever hope for would be fan projects.. But they went and fucked that whole avenue over so hard while trying to establish STD as the only Trek in town.

>>9639

>JJ Abrams is the 'high concept sci-fi guy'

Stop, I want off this ride.

>>9647

That's why I'm hoping that this whole Weinstein/Sex Scandal/Pedowood situation continues to gain momentum. The faster Hollyjude tears itself apart, the better.

>>9647

How much involvement did he have with fringe. That final season was like okay you know how awesome all the previous seasons were, here is something better and more awesome then anything you got before.

>>9789

lel

I'm not even halfway through the first season of Voyager and I already want to go back and rewatch DS9 instead of this shit.

>>10043

That's entirely fair. No Trek series has it's footing from the start.

>>10043

>>weebm

i can't imagine being so desperate for attention to do that, but also devoid of any rational thought process to understand the consequences.

>>10074

perhaps the biggest pitfall to living life on easy mode. one is never expected to learn. just wear something low cut and act out for attention on the social media and watch the free money roll in.

this time, it cost them more than their pallid dignity.

>>10043

>>10085

>>10074

Well that was entertaining. Schadenfreude and sadism mix well with bouncy.

So, we gonna talk more DS9? What could have made it better?

>>10091

>So, we gonna talk more DS9? What could have made it better?

Everyone knows the answer to that is more Dukat.

>>10385

>>10091

no retarded asspulls from the writers

dukat did 100% everything right, but suddenly the entirety of the dominion army gets killed because a bunch of space aliens want siskos dick? i don't buy it

>>10386

Yeah, too much space fantasy is what killed DS9 for me. The earlier stuff was more realistic/gritty/"down to earth" stuff that I could appreciate, since it was different from most Trek up till then. Turning Sisko into a Marty Sue near the end was ruining what made DS9 good imo.

>>10394

I think some characters preferring to call them "wormhole aliens" for the longest time was the best way of demystifying the Prophets. They weren't Gods and they weren't magic. They just had the ability to observe time non-sequentially, which gave them the ability to set up events before they happened… But that wasn't good enough, so they had to talk in riddles and appear in vague visions and have literal fucking magic spellbooks that summoned demons and possessed people.

DS9 is fucking great except for one part:

FUCKING ISHKA RUINING ALL OF FERENGI CIVILIZATION BY DESTROYING THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF TRADITION THROUGH A SENILE NAGUS

THEN THAT CUNT HAD THE AUDACITY OF COMPLETELY WEAKENING THE POWER OF THE NAGUS POSITION AND HANDING IT OFF TO HER RETARDED SON

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>10400

At the end of DS9, Quark and Garak get to see the homeworlds they loved and adored broken, corrupted, and foreign to them. I would have loved an episode about them commiserating.

>>10400

Rom:

>I am NOT a businessman, I am an engineer

<Now you are the head businessman

>>10406

>Is a MAN not entitled to the sweat of his own nubs?

>NO says the hew-man in San Francisco. It belongs to Starfleet

>NO says the klingon in Kronos. It belongs to Sto Vo Kor

>NO says the female in Ferengar. It belongs to everyone.

>I rejected such notions. I chose the impossible.

>>10411

>nubs not lobes

<make it fucking happen.

Can Ferengi be the hero that ST deserves?

One of my cheesier "boy do I sure hate the normiescum you guys" fantasies as a child used to be to just have my own shuttlecraft and I'd just go out and live either in the wilderness of the Alpha Quadrant, or the Gamma Quadrant and just get all the way off the grid, just turn off the gravity, float around in the cockpit and watch old movies, and use the Bussard collectors to keep enough power to run the replicators and so on. Maybe park inside an asteroid and just float for a decade or two and be comfy.

Over the past 20 years, the main change to this fantasy is that I'd want to dump a few quantum torpedoes onto earth before leaving.

In reality though, it's just great having the show. Watching this show after several drinks after wagecucking all week is like wrapping up in a warm blanket. Especially if you actually wrap up in a warm blanket while you do it.

>>10503

>Be alone in space listening to comfy tunes in your own personal transport

That sounds like each anon's fantasy.

>>10401

>I would have loved an episode about them commiserating.

>Ferengi business skills.

>Combined with Obsidian Order espionage & manipulation skills.

>With both characters having already learned not to trust the lies of the Federation.

>Forget an episode of their commiserating.

>I want a full series of them rebuilding their homeworlds.

<Quark: We're on a mission from Divine Treasury.

<Garak: There are 106 light years to the Wormhole, we have a full tank of Dilithium, half a bottle of kanar, the sensors are down and we're wearing sunglasses.

<Quark: Hit it.

>>10491

Ferengi were always the heroes of Star Trek.

>>10778

They certainly had the best attitudes regarding the female gender.

>>10829

>Women get rights

>Downfall of society

>>10767

The best episode never filmed.