/strek/ - Star Trek ★

>>8909 (OP)

>ENT jumpsuit

>better than anything

>TOS > DS9 Seasons 3+ > Early DS9/VOY > Wrath of Khan > TNG Seasons 3+ > TOS: The Cage (I like the thick collars but the lack of different colors is a problem that makes it rank really low in terms of how iconic they are) > Early TNG > Shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ENT Jumpsuit > TOS: The Motion Picture

TOS uniforms are Star Trek personified.

>>8917

The Enterprise jumpsuit allowed for the most utility, you could carry your communicator, scanner, hypospray, and much more without the need for an extra bag or utility belt. It was also made of a visibly sturdy material, and was a good fit. No need to fiddle with your uniform mid-shift, no need for the 'Picard pull.'

>TOS uniforms are Star Trek personified.

I am willing to concede to that point, however. The TOS uniforms consisted of a beautiful simplicity. I would still place the ENT jumpsuit as #2 and WoK as #3.

>early DS9/VOY

>above Wrath of Khan uniform

The early DS9/VOY outfits were way too loose. They were practically pajamas.

>>8920

>The Enterprise jumpsuit allowed for the most utility, you could carry your communicator, scanner, hypospray, and much more without the need for an extra bag or utility belt. It was also made of a visibly sturdy material, and was a good fit. No need to fiddle with your uniform mid-shift, no need for the 'Picard pull.'

The problem I have with the Ent jumpsuits is they don't feel like Star Trek. It feels too much like the creators of the show showed contempt for the series goofy roots and wanted to make something "grounded" and it didn't work with the show. I have the same issue with Discovery for similar reasons. The uniforms are a character unto themselves with Star trek, it's the same with the bridge layout for instance. The bridge in TNG isn't practical but it looks iconic and feels distinctive. When something is just designed for function it feels boring and visually uninteresting.

>I am willing to concede to that point, however. The TOS uniforms consisted of a beautiful simplicity. I would still place the ENT jumpsuit as #2 and WoK as #3.

TOS uniforms are Star Trek. It's one of the first things anyone thinks of when they think about Star Trek. If they didn't use those uniforms on the show I somewhat even suspect it wouldn't have been as famous as it is now.

>The early DS9/VOY outfits were way too loose. They were practically pajamas.

I consider early DS9/Voy outifts more akin to a refinement on TNG ones. TNG uniforms kind of looked a little awkward to me, always did. Whereas the DS9/Voy ones look more sleek and relaxed with a cool little turtleneck to boot

In terms of comparing them to Wrath of Khan I think it's more so because the Wrath of Khan uniforms feel too nautical and retro-futuristic for my taste. Like they were a logical step backward from TOS in terms of form and function. Like TOS looked like what a futuristic space diplomatic vessel's uniforms would look like. Whereas WoK's uniforms looked a little too much like "this is what you'd wear on a space submarine"

Then there's how ranks weren't communicated very well so you had Uhura wearing the same color uniform as Kirk. It makes sense if you consider "this is more realistic" and is probably closer to what Roddenberry wanted but to me I prefer a more simple visual language with the uniforms and consistent colors for ranks. Like it's one of the reasons why Redshirt was a meme with TOS.

Don't get me wrong WoK's uniforms are a great design for a futuristic naval uniform but I still consider them going too much in the wrong direction for the series.

>>8921

>Why does Starfleet hate pockets?

Someone apparently asked them why nobody has pockets in the future and they said it was because in the future nobody would need money

Of course the more obvious answer is because they'd have to make hundreds of these uniforms and making pockets for them would require more time and budget to make. Additionally it's unnecessary since there would only be very few scenes you'd ever see an officer use their pockets since they already have utility belts. It's the same reason why you don't see pockets on Batman's costume.

I've always viewed it as strictly a military thing. Like when you see characters in the series not wear their official uniforms their clothing choices tend to be more grounded and down to Earth and probably have pockets.

>>8926

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>>8928

Actually pockets are a huge problem for costuming. It's why a lot of costumes tend to not have pockets but pretend to. Like if pic related was a costume blazer it would probably have just the top of the pocket but nothing else.

It's mostly because costumes need to be constantly sized/resized and fixed. Especially for shows with lots of extras like Star Trek. So it's easier to make a facsimile or just not include pockets at all like in the case of Star Trek.

Best uniforms right here. Not just stylish, but formal enough so that when aliens hail you your crew looks competent and well-dressed (and not like they just got out of bed). They can be used for every day on-duty use but converted to proper formal wear with just a few additions. Good officer naval uniforms. They even had accessories like vests and coats. The only thing they lacked was an obvious rank indication.

Also, importantly, an actual distinctive outfit for enlisted men. Not as formal as the officers, but still matching and looking decent.

>>9030

>The only other thing about it that still confuses me is the color. In your first pic, Kirk and Spock have white, which can be assumed is the command color. McCoy has green, so green must be medical. Scotty and Sulu have yellow, presumably engineering/security.

In DS9, there was at least one instance of an Admiral with a yellow uniform that I recall, so tactical/security must be a branch of the unrestricted line officers in the command hierarchy. Medical and science (blues) would be restricted line officers so they wouldn't assume command in a combat situation, that's why Cmdr. Crusher shouldn't be taking over in an emergency situation, change of command falls on Lt. Redshirt (or Yellow).

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Toddman

>Vice Admiral Toddman was a Starfleet flag officer assigned to Starfleet Security.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Line_Officer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_line_officer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_officer#United_States_Navy_and_United_States_Coast_Guard

>Although not specified by 10 U.S.C., large, air-capable amphibious assault ships will have one of the two senior positions (CO or XO) occupied by a surface warfare officer and the other by a naval aviator or naval flight officer, alternating at each change of command.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_warfare_insignia

>The surface warfare insignia is a military badge of the United States Navy which is issued to U.S. Navy personnel who are trained and qualified to perform duties aboard United States surface warships. There are presently four classes of the surface warfare pin, being that of line, staff, special operations, and enlisted.

>The surface warfare officer insignia is the first milestone qualification an eligible commissioned officer may receive in surface warfare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_flight_officer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Flight_Officer_insignia

>A naval flight officer (NFO) is a commissioned officer in the United States Navy or United States Marine Corps who specializes in airborne weapons and sensor systems. NFOs are not pilots (naval aviators) per se, but they may perform many "co-pilot" functions, depending on the type of aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Aviator

>A Naval Aviator is a commissioned officer or warrant officer qualified as a pilot

man i had the idea of making this thread a while back, good job OP

imo pic related best

to me they look like the most realistic / appropriate.

TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY all look like leotards for an interpretive dance troop or an olympic gymnast team

ENT are good but they seem a little too like they are ready to fix someones boiler. i get that they are probably the closest to what an astronaut would wear, and that nx-01 was still in the rough and ready days of space exploration

but the crew members of space faring fleet of vessels portrayed in strek would beg to have the decorum to wear a proper uniform.

perhaps movie uniform for officers / bridge crew and ENT jumpsuit for ensigns / engineers would be best of both worlds

what about best badge?

>>9030

Yeah, they did show rankings, they just weren't very clear or noticeable. Worst part about the uniforms.

There are indeed separate sweater colors for the specialties, which is nice. Saavik, not pictured, wears red. I didn't think Sulu was captain yet in STII, but in STVI he does wear white.

I found some autism on DA: the STII-VI uniforms with original uniform colorings, some TNG cast in the uniforms, and TNG in the original uniforms.

>>9117

No chance

>>8922

>The problem I have with the Ent jumpsuits is they don't feel like Star Trek. It feels too much like the creators of the show showed contempt for the series goofy roots and wanted to make something "grounded" and it didn't work with the show.

ENT felt more grounded because it was closer to "us" than TOS and since the Federation didn't exist yet, they weren't inspired by other races' technologies or styles. The ENT jumpsuits look a bit like the earlier DS9 uniforms but with pockets.

>I have the same issue with Discovery for similar reasons.

I don't want to shit on STD again but their uniforms are the worst, They make no sense, there's the weird thing with the collar, the delta pattern is everywhere, it's shiny*, it's a pain in the ass to see the rank of a character at first glance (now the dots are on the badge so it's even harder to see). The whole thing screams "cosplay".

I wish they had a patch on one of the shoulders, that was a good thing on the ENT jumpsuits, it gave them an identity, that they belong to a crew and a ship.

* it's even more dumb if the Discovery is a Section 31 ship. Exploring the galaxy with shiny uniforms, that doesn't sound very "secret".

>>8921

>>8923

This reminds me of that time Edward James Olmos got to direct an episode of BSG. He asked the wardrobe department to add 2 pockets to his uniform because it was required for a couple of scenes and the rest of the cast was pissed that he was acting smug with his hands in his pockers throughout the day.

>>>/tv/918727

Star Trek Discovery Uniforms - Male Privilege Messaging Confirmed

Tonight's episode further confirmed another theory I've had been pondering for a few episodes. Take a close look at the uniforms of the Starfleet, regardless of rank or species, if the character is male, the uniform shoulders have 5 thick stripes, if the character is female, the uniform only has 4 thick stripes. Prove me wrong.