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693b70 (9) No.22473>>22481 >>22521 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

I am going to be writing a novel series that runs roughshod over some more tiresome parts of canon. Hey if Alex (((Kurtzman))) can do it why not me? Would you read it?

Setting:

Most of the events take place from 2389 to 2394. The show should focus on the region of space occupied by Cardassia, Ferenginar, Breen, Maquis-Bajor alliance etc. In contrast to other Star Trek shows the mainline heavies like Federation, Klingons and Romulans should have almost no appearances, as they are busy fucking each other over on a stellar scale in the aftermath of the Borg invasion. DS9 will barely be mentioned as a minor starbase compared to the other shit Bajorans have in system.

Timeline and Key Background:

2370s - Dominion war, you should know what happened then. More background would be that the Cardassian empire collapsed, they are a fourth rate power and the official Cardie government controls slightly less territory than the Tzenkethi. Most former Cardassian controlled slave worlds have gained independce in a huge chaotic area of non-aligned worlds known as the "Non Aligned Expanse" (NAE), they're mostly warring with each other as foreign powers try to gain influence there. So many Guls have gone rogue warlord and pirate, raiding the space lanes from Ferenginar to Kronos, that the word "pirate" is synonymous with Gul.

2381 - Borg invasion. Federation, Romulus, and Klingons are completely fucked. Galaxy is more anarchic and many minor powers form, because the three major ones had their fleets cut by 2/3rds due to the Borg invasion. Also a lot of non-aligned action is present, because most of the major fleets have been destroyed even large empires like Klingons or Federation have to resort to terrorism and sabotage to make a dent. Also so much weapons tech is on the market there are a lot of warships are in service of criminals, piracy is so common that every cargo ship has to be heavily armed just to make it in one piece.

2382 - Typhon Pact is formed between Romulans Russians, Tzenkethi, Breen Syrians, Gorn and Tholians. Also in my universe it includes the remnant of the Cardassian nation, who pretends to be neutral to trick the Federation. Typhon Pact is the dominant power in universe imo, and is mostly trying to stop a weakened Federation from rebuilding in the aftermath of the Borg attacks. Their tactics are brinkmanship, minor conflicts, shady raids, terrorist attacks, sabotage, stealth attacks. Also the Typhon pact ally of Kinshaya is fighting Klingons fiercely. Typhon Pact and the Federation are the major outside (unseen) influences of my story.

693b70 (9) No.22474>>22477

2379-2389 - [ALLIANCE/PLOT DETAILS]

During the end of Dominion war, the fall of Cardassia and the Borg Invasion, several surviving Maquis slowly started advising behind the scenes and helping many worlds around the Badlands form alliances.

They advised Bajor to break with the Federation and use the huge economic powerhouse of the Wormhole, which was being wasted under Federation guidance, to form the core of their alliance. DS9 was still staffed by some Federation personnel, but Bajor was no longer taking orders from the Federation, and levied a tax on travel through the wormhole.

Included in the new Alliance are many former "protectorates" and slave worlds of Cardassians, some breakaway Federation worlds after the Borg invasion. Tamarians aren't official members of the Alliance, but they do aid it. The Maquis no longer exist as a group and the few advisors who started the Alliance were killed in assasinations. The informal name of the Alliance in the series should just be just "The Alliance" or the "Bajoran Alliance".

The first alliance ships were built with help of the Tamarians, whom the remnant Maquis befriended by using borg nanoprobes to learn the Tamarians complex language. The ships started off as a series of corvette classes (similar 3D model as a bajoran starship but larger and better fleshed out) to defend the member worlds of the alliance, there are almost a hundred in service. Alliance corvettes are about half the size of the Defiant but slower and less agile, with a crew of thirty five and a top speed of warp five, they usually work in teams of two during combat. The mainstay Alliance Carrier carries hundreds of people and can travel at warp eight, which is why the carrier was needed. Some alliance worlds operate older Cardassian ships they captured when Cardassia collapsed, upgraded with Alliance technology.

The corvettes aren't the "zooming" abortion of the defiant or federation fighter, they follow the older canon laws of star trek combat. Slow relative movent, trading of punches. As such in a conflict with a Federation ship of the line, a corvette would last about ten seconds, but can still do a lot of damage depending on type.

- The scout corvettes are the ones I would like to write about most commonly, as the plot should focus on the Alliance Carrier travelling from world to world trying to forge alliances and piss out the fires of anarchy. This design has a cloak, some ablative armor stolen by Bajorans from the Defiant, weak deflector shielding, and one phaser array. It carries a much larger cargo space as well, and is sometimes used as a secure cloaked transport through pirate-heavy space.

- The interception corvettes are heavily layered in ablative armor, their shields can only take two torpedo hits, but their ablative armor can take half a dozen. The weapons the interception corvette type carries were five phaser arrays as the main weapon. Also carried were half dozen types of long range probe which could be used as a makeshift torpedo-like weapon in an emergency, as its self-destruct had half the power of a photon torpedo.

- The interdiction corvetes on the carrier had no armor or shields, they simply had a cloak and a massive rack of ten type-S Cardassian plasma torpedo tubes. While it had only one reload in addition to torpedoes already in the tubes (total of 20), it could launch ten once after decloaking and launch another ten very rapidly. Such an attack coming from a cloaked position can devastate the shields of even a Sorvereign Class Federation ships. The interdiction corvettes can manufacture plasma torpedoes onboard at a pace of about one per hour if their replicator plant isn't damaged and they have a cargo hold full of parts they can't replicate. The Alliance carrier can manufacture plasma torpedoes faster and has several hundred aboard.


693b70 (9) No.22475

- The Alliance Carriers are the setting of the story. They are about twice the size of the Federation Sovereign class with similar shielding but much less offensive ability. Their main role is to serve as repair, rearm and docking ships for twelve alliance corvettes, and carry them at warp 8. Alliance Carriers are mobile starbases very slow in impulse, very fast in warp, and can even manufacture corvettes if they have time to deploy construction slips. The alliance has a total of three such Carrier ships. The Darmok, the first of its type named after the Tamarian folk hero as it was built by Tamarians, carries six interdictors and six interceptors, and is in ex-Cardassian space protecting allied worlds and growing the alliance. The Prophet's Wisdom is the second carrier built in orbit around Bajor, stationed on the other side of the wormhole in the Gamma quadrant, it carries two interdictors and ten interceptors, it protects shipping and ensures the Dominion doesn't try anything. The Eddington, the newly constructed around Bajor and named after a dead Maquis leader, is the third Alliance Carrier and the setting of our story.

The Eddington carries two interdictors, six interceptors, four newly designed scout corvettes, and a dozen troop landing shuttlecraft the other two carriers lack. Our series is based on the Eddington as it travels from Breen space to Klingon empire, kind of a mobile DS-9 sent out to form alliances with as many worlds as possible, protect Alliance ships, and engage in shady business. Every chapter or novel will involve the Carrier staying in one system or area, the warp 8 travel should mostly be a plot device to move the huge semi-station around and keep the storyline fresh. Most of the crew is Bajoran. The captain is a Bajoran terrorist that the crew treats like a hero but he is a barely functional alcoholic wracked by guilt. The XO and guy who helps interface the corvettes with the carrier is a Skreean female living there with her group of males. Since it's like a mobile space station and lots of traders, diplomats, refugees and troops come through, there's a large security contingent. The leader of the security contingent is a rugged human security officer (so the audience isnt too freaked out by bajorans) and his vulcan deputy. Yea or Nay on a big titted Denobulan whore? She's just feeling lonely and wants ten or twenty husbands. A few dozen engineers on the carrier are Tamarians, since only they understand some of the tech they installed…. this should make the dialog interesting, and start a lot of memes (hence Subject Line). Two female renegade Cardassians who are on the science staff and are in reality a former obsidian order agent and her apprentice - the captain tries to avoid them, the younger Cardassian woman is neutral to him and the older one hates him but hides it. A bootleg federation hologram is the ships doctor, who constantly berates the bajoran crew for "stealing him", and throw in a few background bolians for color. There are many other species on the ship, plus visitors like Gorn and Romulans, but the Bajorans are over two thirds of the crew. Later on I'd like to throw in an encouter with an Edosian, who turns out to be a cousin of species 8472 which was obvious from the cartoon.


693b70 (9) No.22476

2389 - [PLOT FOR BOOK #1]

Due to some trading mishap where a billion tonnes of toxic waste was dropped on Miradorn by a Ferengi freighter, the Miradorn killed every Ferengi in their borders, assassinated the Grand Nagus, and declared they would genocide Ferenginar… as soon as they get their shit together. The Ferengi tried to blow up their planet in response, but were stopped by the Breen in a battle that wiped out half the Ferengi fleet, which they were hoarding during the Borg Invasion. This opened Ferengi traders to attacks from Guls (pirates) and Miradorn mercenaries.

To get back at them, and stop the Miradorn from raiding Ferengi colonies, the Ferengi started funding an insane Breen Fanatic faction that is so xenophobic they want to kill anyone who even came into contact with other species. This includes other Breen, especially the ruling faction. Expect lots of thots. No member of the Breen Fanatics except their leader Thot Gammon is aware they are being funded by Ferenginar. The main goal of the Ferengi is to destabilize Breen to the point where they can't protect the Miradorn anymore, but the ulterior goal of the new Nagus is to get Ferengi to displace Breen in the Typhon Pact, which will give him access to Pact technology he wants to sell in the Gamma quadrant. He's especially fond of Romulan singularity power sources.

The Alliance Carrier Eddington is in the region primarly to help Ferenginar in their endeavor, because the Tamarians refuse to share much in the way of propulsion, weapons or shielding technology. The Alliance wants the Pact tech, and has formed a deal with Ferenginar to get it cheaply, if the Alliance council of ministers lowers taxes on Ferengi trade in the Gamma quadrant.

The Federation is at first tricked into supporting the Breen Fanatics, while the Typhon Pact is backing the Breen government against it's Feral Breen faction. Later both the Federation and Typhon Pact pull out as the conflict between them heats up, and the Alliance flagged by The Eddington takes a larger role in the region.


37fb3a (1) No.22477>>22478

>>22474

>but Bajor was no longer taking orders from the Federation, and levied a tax on travel through the wormhole.

In cannon the Bajoran Provisional Gov only lasted a few years, and they officially joined the Federation..


693b70 (9) No.22478>>22504

>>22477

Canon is garbage, it mostly consists of people trying to close as many plot lines and possibilities as possible. Canon is the reason Star Trek is dying and we have Smurfette Klingons - all other open story lines are tied off.

I'll try to keep it as close to the books, but it's impossible to keep it canon AND interesting, you have to pick one.


78fabb (2) No.22481>>22500

>>22473 (OP)

>Would you read it?

No.


693b70 (9) No.22500>>22755

>>22481

How can I improve?


e0c2bf (2) No.22504>>22515 >>22528

>>22478

Canon is only killing Star Trek because they refuse to go forward in time and keep rehashing TOS. ENT, JewJew, STD are all guilty of this.


693b70 (9) No.22515>>22517

>>22504

Well how do you explain them tying off DS9? They left no opening for another show. Maquis were erased from the plotline, Cardassian story was tied off, independent Bajor and the wormhole, the Dominion… I almost expected Sisko to collapse the wormhole in the series finale.

Voyager ended even worse in terms of plotlines.

TNG ended ok, left a lot of things open ended, especially liked how they left Ro's mission, but it got shat on in DS9.

Besides the novels even made Kira a Kai, which makes no sense whatsoever regarding the character or the TV show who had no formal religious training, a soldier. I don't see why I can't write a few changes into the Star Trek narrative, at least in the novel universe which is basically fanfic.


e0c2bf (2) No.22517>>22528 >>22538

>>22515

None of that matters if you jump 100 years into the future. Then the writers can write new plots and characters.


dab83d (1) No.22521

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>>22473 (OP)

There is something mighty fucky about that map.


63b96f (4) No.22528>>22532 >>22535

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>>22504

>>22517

>Canon is only killing Star Trek because they refuse to go forward in time and keep rehashing TOS.

>None of that matters if you jump 100 years into the future

The future of the future is dumb. It's a cop-out given Star Trek's relation to technology and sci-fi 'hardness'. It makes no sense to go anywhere but the "golden age of exploration" time period. Decide when that is and tell Star Trek then. If you're just trying to get away from the mess that is Star Trek canon, you might as well reboot the whole thing. Invariably, all of these cringy post-Voyager concepts just have sleeker ships, updated uniforms, and trans-quantum-ultra tier technobabble to go with their 2Xth century "clean slate". Wanna know what else are clean slates? Reboots.

Personally, I don't think a reboot or "retelling" is a bad idea if the person doing it was someone who truly loved the original canon and recognized the problem. We have no reason to expect that person would get the franchise, so it's obviously a non-starter, but a canon streamlining is in order, tbqh.

The problem is that from the beginning Star Trek was an episodic series which liberally employed the reset button technique to return to status quo ante after every episode. There is a practical reason for that (syndication and accessibility for casuals), but also a narrative one. Star Trek is about morality plays in space. To write Star Trek, you need to have a grasp on the classics and the humanities, but here's the thing: you don't need to be a history buff because Star Trek isn't an epic saga. It's not space opera and in this autist's opinion, it's at its worst when it tries to be.

Canon is fucked because of ass-pulls like TNG's 75-year timeskip (this is an uncontroversial and widely-accepted consensus opinion on /strek/ and any anon that invokes it is almost certainly recognized as a glorious faggot who gets it). It's also fucked from giving-in to the temptation of doing this major "shocking" plot twists while still being shackled with the reset button. Your show is either a reset-button show or it isnt. If it is, then time never changes, characters are never killed-off, they're only recasted. Aesthetic changes are generally not referenced. There is no Enterprise A,B,C or bloody D… just the Enterprise. It's basically a rolling timeline like comic books and James Bond (in fact, originally the "stardates" were random.. which supports this).

I don't mean to be down on story arcs or some of what DS9 accomplished or the stuff from the films (ST2,3,and 4 were almost a decent trilogy). I mean to suggest that Star Trek wasn't set-up for that and unless you rework the whole thing and start cracking history books and the great fictional sagas, you'll just get more of a clusterfuck canon. You have to have some notion of where the races and factions and families and individuals end-up and what all this means… otherwise it's just nerd masturbation over meaningless bullshit. I actually like the idea of embedding sci-fi morality plays within a larger epic story. Anyone who wants to try that with Star Trek would get a read from me.


695d5f (3) No.22532>>22533

>>22528

>Canon is fucked because of ass-pulls like TNG's 75-year timeskip (this is an uncontroversial and widely-accepted consensus opinion on /strek/ and any anon that invokes it is almost certainly recognized as a glorious faggot who gets it).

No. It's a meme you force. Even with warp drive the Galaxy is huge. The age of Galactic exploration will last a very long time. They could have skipped 200 years and it would still be fine.


63b96f (4) No.22533

>>22532

>The age of Galactic exploration will last a very long time.

gee, that almost sounds like an epic space opera. We should start plotting that out. Going from First Contact to 100% of the Milky Way explored sounds like one helluva saga, though. Fuck… probably enough time for the Federation to develop (or regress to) a monarchy (hundreds of times)… maybe we could get a hidden prince who is the chosen one…. a ultimate Big Bad evil that is worthy of this countless centuries of Galactic Exploration… I suppose our technology is going to get downright magical.. we've given ourselves so much breathing-room. I can't wait to start filling out Star Saga.

See what i mean, though? I really don't see giving yourself effectively zero boundaries across time and space as being conducive to telling stories in coherent, consistent storyworld that runs decades. You're just moving your setting on a timeline (and necessarily changing a shit ton of other stuff) for no other reason that to escape the stuff that's already established. That's a shit reason.

Either stick to a rolling timeline with status-quo ante or plot the whole thing out as a saga. Doens't have to be a space opera-tier epic, but you should have a rough plan if you want arcs. "Gardening" doesn't work (how's GRRM doing?) especially when it involves dozens or hundreds of different authors and artists and a series of franchise executives / show runners / visionary keepers of the flame / whatever you call them (all of varying degrees of passion and emotional / professional investment). That shit inevitably goes sideways, it seems.


5f2127 (2) No.22535>>22536

>>22528

>Canon is fucked because of ass-pulls like TNG's 75-year timeskip

This is like the 4th fucking thread I've seen of you sperging about the timeskip. I've never seen anyone else go into autistic rage over it but you. I can't help but think you assume YOU know more about how to fix Trek than anyone else, but you really don't.


63b96f (4) No.22536>>22537

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>>22535

>i can't help but be triggered by your identifiably-unique and remarkably bants-free opinions on the franchise that this the purpose of this discussion forum.

>please be more unidentifiably bland and conformist.

sorry about that, bud. you should prolly get help, yeah? I can't promise I'll be consistently distinguishable by concepts and ideas alone but i'm flattered nonetheless.. at least… when i'm not melting-down with rage. One thing you can do, though, is fill-out the Name field in the Quick Reply box. Then maybe I can spot you and ya know… ask about your family or whatever… how your day is going… because right now all i have to go on is "fuck you because you're that guy" and I'm really not sure where to go with that.


5f2127 (2) No.22537>>22543

>>22536

Are you ill, anon? No one is triggered, but annoyed by you. Look, you start off your posts well by adressing that there are issues in the franchise and shit, but then you'll transition into

>M-MUH TIMESKIP REEE

every single fucking time. No one cares. You sound like an autistic TOS purist who only recognises the original series and nothing else.


693b70 (9) No.22538

>>22517

It's supposed to be 3D laid into 2D for tabletop gaming. Pretty useless if you ask me, but then again most of star trek has no basis in anything else.


63b96f (4) No.22543>>22588

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>>22537

>M-MUH TIMESKIP REEE

I dunno, dude. Is it really coming across that way? It's an opinion - albeit a unconventional one and one that I'm sure is easy to disagree with intuitively. I'd suggest you filter my posts, but I post through a VPN and thus I routinely get a new ID. If it's any consolation, I post about all kinds of other things - some probably shitposts, some probably not, but I can assure you they're not all referencing a "timeskip". I'm curious why you'ld feel so comfortable making blanket assumptions about my posts and constructing this strawman who posts about x "every single fucking time" they post… I'm not sure that anon exists outside of your imagination.

Perhaps we should all agree to only shitpost and meme and suspend the autism until the board velocity and active users increases? I'm sure the lack of posts in general just amplifies the autismal posts… particularly the unusual ones. If this is truly an issue with the other 3-4 people who lurk /strek/, i'll take the autism somewhere else and contribute to whatever board culture /strek/ posters want to have instead. I'm not sure what else to tell you.


695d5f (3) No.22588>>22612

>>22543

I'm with the other anon. You bitch about the timeskip enough that when you mention it we all roll our eyes and says to ourselves, "Shit, it's this guy again." The vast majority of us don't mind the timeskip. Also, ou complain about Star Trek and space opera, as if they are, or should be mutually exclusive. We know space opera tier shit has happened, even if it's not the focus of the show. Don't tell me DS9 isn't space opera. Oh wait, Lemme guess, it doesn't count because of the timeskip?


31eca4 (2) No.22612>>22623

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>>22588

>you're that guy and we're against you

>you bitch but the vast majority of us don't mind what you're bitching about

>don't tell me… oh, lemme guess.. <insert baiting, strawman argument>

i am unable to ascertain the true meaning of this post. do you guys want unconventional/weird but honest (aka autistic) arguments to be developed and iterated on /strek/ or not because aside from autism that may trigger you, you're only other option is shitposts. Strek isn't making memes and judging by the way you react to effortposters, you'ld probably blow anyone who tried out the airlock without even the courtesy of a dismissive reaction image.


d1178a (1) No.22623>>22633 >>22647

>>22612

It's one thing to bitch about minutiae like a bunch of neckbears. It's another to bitch about major aspects of the show. You're the kind of guy that would have bitched that the problem with this newfangled "Star Trek" show is that they took the submarine out of the ocean and put it in space. You'd bitch that the Mona Lisa shouldn't be a painting, it should have been a woodcut print. You aren't taking issue with a single episode or with a character, you're bitching that the vast majority of what constitutes trek should never have happened. At some point you can't honestly call yourself a fan of something if you take so much issue with so much of it.


31eca4 (2) No.22633>>22639

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695d5f (3) No.22639

>>22633

How is he projecting? Even if he is, he seems pretty spot on to me.


693b70 (9) No.22647>>22670

>>22623

>you can complain about small problems in the show, because theyre small

>you cant complain about big problems in the show, because theyre big

Excuse me if I may interject, but that is a sunk cost fallacy.

If anything the larger aspect of the show should receive more scrutiny. One of the largest aspects is the shape of the ships in Star Trek, and how combat is carried out. Flaws in this should be addressed!


8d36b4 (1) No.22670

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>>22647

>cross-thread autism detected

>triggering enabled

>sensors scanning for thatgai particles

>initiating aft-abrasion sub-reee-tine

>loading homoerotic shitposting. targeting hostile ship's meme generators. dispersal pattern strek-2

>main projector dish calibrated for maximum salt dispersal

>bitching-sensors still offline due to false-positives

>hailing frequencies open. broadcasting puerile ds9 references on all channels.

>all systems standing-by

don't worry guys, i'm on it


78fabb (2) No.22755>>22820 >>22954

>>22500

Write your own shit instead of writing fanfic like a faggot would. Fanfic's should only exist as practice exercises.


46efc2 (1) No.22820

>>22755

Granted it is the bottom feeding level of writing, but other authors have made millions off of this.


943584 (1) No.22954

>>22755

Some of the greatest works in Western literature are literally fanfiction. Practically the entire corpus of the Arthurian legends is French people writing chivalric fanfiction about Saxonized interpretations of Celtic myth. Not to mention The Aneid, Paradise Lost, The New Testament, the list goes on and on.




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