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fffa4a (3) No.19077[Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

I started watching Voyager and I just got to watch Mortal Coil.

>Neelix gets blasted in the dick by protomatter

>Tom tries to revive him but fails because he's a failure himself

>Gets taken to sickbay and Doctor goes "Welp I guess he's fucking dead m80"

>Moment of sadness and whatever, Janeway says it's a decent idea to mourn him for a goddamned week

And for some dumb reason I had that small moment of hope that maybe he was dead for real. I mean, Kes transcends or something because she's so good and smart and everyone loves her, the important thing is that we may never see her again. Maybe Neelix could also go away? Nope. Fucking Seven shows up out of fucking nowhere Why was she in sickbay at the moment anyway? and uses her fucking Borg voodoo nanoprobes to revive him and we go on to an awful Neelix episode.

What were some episodes in which you thought the status quo could change to something better and instead you're left completely disappointed?

19bbc0 (4) No.19078>>19084

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Tuvix >Neelix


0149c6 (2) No.19083>>19084 >>19086 >>19093

Remember that time O'Brien was suicidal and nearly killed himself, and then his trauma was never mentioned or hinted at for the rest of the series?


fffa4a (3) No.19084>>19085 >>20750

>>19078

If keeping him meant Neelix was gone then yeah, for sure. I kinda like Tuvok though.

>>19083

You mean the moment he realized he married Keiko?


19bbc0 (4) No.19085>>19185 >>20750

>>19084

>I kinda like Tuvok though.

Yeah he was the proper counter to Janeway's neuroticism. Legit I love Voyager (mostly for sentimental reasons) but hotdamn going back to it Janeway is a legit psycho.


735884 (2) No.19086>>19097 >>19135 >>20544

>>19083

I mean trauma is something that's long been overlooked in Star Trek. You get an episode at most about it at most then you're fine from then on.

O'Brien and the suicidal mind prison?

Doctor talks him down and he's fine.

Picard and the Borg?

Have him fall over in the mud and he's fine.

Uhura having her memories erased by Nomad?

Have everyone laugh at you while you have to relearn how to speak but never gain your memories back and she's fine.

Trauma is ignored because I guess that's too heavy to deal with for long. I mean Bones mentions when Nyota Oreo loses her memories that it'll take like a few weeks with advanced techniques to get her back to fighting form so I guess that therapy in the future is better that it is currently. Though that kinda raises questions since Coleslaw Troi and Easy Dax don't ever seem to do anything beyond what shrinks currently do today. Maybe they're just fuckin' shit at their jobs?


5ba0ed (1) No.19093>>19133

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>>19083

>nearly killed himself

And half the habitat ring.

That phaser was on maximum setting. Those things have an energy output measured in gigawatts.


804cb5 (1) No.19097>>19132

>>19086

>Picard

Mmactually, First Contact says otherwise. He can thank the Borg for teaching him hatred, a rare thing among Feddies.

>Coleslaw Troi

Wait, what?


735884 (2) No.19132>>19175

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>>19097

>implying movies past VI are canon


19bbc0 (4) No.19133

>>19093

This and he was in a storage depot: which likely contained inflammable materials.


17e72a (4) No.19135>>20489

>>19086

This is where a show like STD could maybe actually go somewhere interesting, if it wasn't so lame and boring.

>one of the main characters comes from a race who were bred as live stock. What does that do to him psychologically?

<who cares, lol. Explosions!


219c15 (2) No.19140>>19141 >>19146 >>19169

Stop

This is a fine decent normal thread and you guys have to keep bringing up that shitfest. It's almost like there's some coordinated effort to force that shit into our reality. The majority have made it clear we do not accept it.

STD DOESN'T REAL


fffa4a (3) No.19141

>>19140

It's too late, it was always too late. Now you'll have to watch it to keep up with the latest /strek/ memes and there's nothing you can do about it.


17e72a (4) No.19146>>19188

>>19140

It's more fun to shit on something recent, than something we've all been shitting on for 20 years. Don't be a sperg.


0149c6 (2) No.19169>>19188

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>>19140

There's nothing you can do about it, anon.


983b04 (1) No.19175

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>>19132

>implying anything past The Cage is canon


6ee927 (1) No.19185>>20263

>>19085

>Janeway is a legit psycho.

That holodeck episode where she rewrites an NPC to fit her needs… It was really weird that no one on the ship (excepted the doc) thought that it was a bit too much.


219c15 (2) No.19188


b69e1a (2) No.19494>>19505 >>19511 >>19890

>started watching Voyager

>mentions episode past the first

so it gets better? I tried watching it but my sides-containment field failed during the opening scene with the bad production and acting, and then i just got annoyed that they never showed Voyager. So all those viewers first look at the ship back then was in the opening credits or did they skip the opening when it first aired? The opening scene featured a Cardie ship vs. some who-gives-a-shit unTrek-like "moqui" space fighter Defiant knock-off. I started dozing-off with some dyke and Nick Lecarno having a walk-and-talk in a park, woke like an hour later and they were still at it, then just went back to sleep.


3dab38 (1) No.19505

>>19494

It gets better, but it's definitely not the thinking man's trek. It's just watered down TNG.


5a5704 (5) No.19511>>19513 >>19868

>>19494

VOY in it's entirety has 6 good episodes, The Caretaker is one of them.


b69e1a (2) No.19513>>19866 >>19890

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>>19511

ok, so i went back and watched it in earnest. the core story is good. im a sucker for the trope of alien species that conjure holograms or dreamworlds from our history in order to communicate with us. The other "aliens" are the worst of late-TNG worldbuilding, though. The Kazon are like Klingon replacements only more beta and the Okampa are literal who-gives-a-fuck boring fucks that live in a mall or airport terminal or some shit.

I know the meme of hating Harry Kim, but honestly i didn't find him that bad in this episode. Kleenix is annoying and i don't like their Obama vulcan. I knew I liked the Doctor and i still do. The sexy betazoid should have been a regular, also. The CGI has that late 90's video game cutscene feel that is very retro nostalgic but I can't get over the worldbuilding and sets. They're really bad.

The first half is pretty good for what it is, but the second part utterly falls apart, imho, over the issue of the Okompo or whatever and Janeways decision is utterly infuriating especially after she gave a perfectly workable TNG-tier moral speech defending letting them survive on their own. Even if Voyager wouldn't have shown up, they would have had to fend for themselves against the not-Klingons. You can tell this shit was written and produced largely by women. This is what passes for "making tough decisions", i guess. It's not "thinking man's" Trek, but it's also not "man's Trek" either and i wasn't expecting that. Subverting the spirit of Star Trek started with these boomer fucks that took over in the 90's and i knew this show was bad but I didn't expect it to be this nakedly incompetent.


e1437c (1) No.19866>>19905 >>19915 >>19930

>>19513

A lot of VOY episodes, especially the early ones, are rejected TNG episodes.

pic unrelated


19bbc0 (4) No.19868>>19890 >>19930

>>19511

To be fair though, the Year of Hell is top fucking notch.


742d1a (6) No.19890>>19896 >>19901 >>19930

>>19494

Trek series are always really shitty in the first one or two seasons before they really figure out what they're doing. It's because they always end up with the plots being mostly character-driven, but it takes a while for the characters to get established enough for that to work. Like, how after a couple of seasons you can immediately tell (sometimes from just the episode title!) what kind of episode it is; a "Data episode" or a "Worf episode" or a "Quark episode" or a "Doctor episode", or what have you. That kind of thing is impossible to do when the characters are big unknowns, both by the audience AND the producers/writers. You can't write a plot around a character that's only been on screen for five minutes and had a few lines of dialogue to establish a flimsy backstory.

>>19513

Related to the above, because Trek relies so much on its characters, the strength of those characters largely determines how good the series is. That's why Voyager suffers, because ultimately only a few of its characters are really that good, or even really that well-established.

The only top-notch ones are the Doctor and Seven (who doesn't even show up until late in the series). Janeway and Paris and SOMETIMES Chakotay are okay (more when they explored the Maquis angle than his spiritual angle), but the rest of the cast is pretty much forgettable. They tried to make Harry Kim the "straight man" to Tom Paris' flippant playboy, but really never let him be his own person; except for rare occasions, Tuvok was just there, with no characterization other than "he's a Vulcan"; Neelix had no personality other than being a walking encyclopedia and look-what-crazy-thing-I've-concocted-today chef, near as much as I can remember; B'Elanna was just that bitch down in engineering, and only really became interesting when she and Tom started dating.

Really, it's the interactions between characters that are the most interesting. Janeway and Chakotay could have been a lot better if they'd made him less of a first officer and more of a co-captain (and dropped the "we know it's never going to happen" romantic tension), but maybe that would have spoiled the whole "female captain" thing. The Maquis subplot was dropped too quickly; the two crews integrated too quickly.

>>19868

I always wondered why they never made DS9 or Voyager movies like they made TNG movies. Year of Hell was cinematic and "large" enough that it could have been made a full theatrical movie, and fans would have loved it.

There were other standout episodes, too. My favorite is probably the one where they find some people in cryosleep caskets, and discover their minds are trapped in an endless nightmare run by a malevolent clown created from their own fears.

Also, the episode where they go to this hellish planet, and come in contact with some silvery goo that clones things and people. There's a followup episode, where they're just tooling around like usual, and suddenly everything starts falling apart. It's then revealed that the entire goddamn ship, everything in it, and everyone on it, is just clones made from that same stuff, and they didn't even realize it because their memories were also copied. That was one of the best plot twists I've ever seen in a series, and the ending was just heartbreaking. Kinda funny that a bunch of clones of the crew made me feel more than the ACTUAL crew ever did.


5b7f09 (2) No.19896>>19900 >>19930

>>19890

Honestly I thought year of hell should have been its own season. Especially when time travelling Tom or whoever it was mentions how bad it will be. I was kind of disappointed when it turned out to be a minor arc. I thought we were finally going to get the gritty space survival show we initially expected.

The follow up to the demon class planet was pretty great, and if you go back.and rewatch it, there are plenty of clues that they're not the real Voyager. The writers were in exceptional form for that episode.

Let's not forget that Trek standards are different than the standards for other sci-fi television. A 'terrible' Trek series like Voyager or Enterprise is still better than the vast majority of sci-fi shows out there. The notable exception being Babylon 5, which people seem to really love. I intend to watch it one of these days.


b56aac (2) No.19900>>19930 >>20252

>>19896

>The follow up to the demon class planet was pretty great, and if you go back.and rewatch it, there are plenty of clues that they're not the real Voyager. The writers were in exceptional form for that episode.

Maybe it's a product of me watching it all in one fell swoop with near-autistic focus, but some of the clues seemed a little too obvious for me. In the opening scene Paris still has the LT junior grade insignia instead of ensign, as he was demoted earlier in the season. Because of that I was assuming that this was a time travel episode or some shit from the beginning.


9c816e (1) No.19901>>19903 >>20252

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>>19890

>I always wondered why they never made DS9 or Voyager movies like they made TNG movies

Isn't it obvious in retrospect? The last two TNG films shat the bed and they came on the heals of the first, which was deeply dissapointing to a lot of fans and the second which was "ok". Neither DS9 nor Voyager made a dent in the popular consciousness. DS9 was good, but that didn't matter. Few outside of Trek famdom cared (STD Mike is the first black Star Trek lead dont ya know?). The nail in the coffin was Enterprise, which had at it's kernel the correct motivation (let's resurrect some classic tropes), but was almost completely off in it's development and execution, which might make the more conspiracy-minded among us wonder if it was created precisely to delegitimize those tropes and clear the deck of nuTrek, which so far is either self-aware parody or political propaganda.

They don't make Star Trek for the fans, anymore. They make propaganda aimed at the fans or despite the fans, but they don't produce content for us because they don't believe that we matter. A Voyager or DS9 or Enterprise film would never have been made because none of them have popular or critical appeal, and those are the only two categories that mattered at the time. Now, you can add ideological pandering as a third option - and maybe we'll get an SJW trek film someday soon, but Voyager and DS9 were 10-15 years too early for that and it seems like the IPs have to be created from the ground-up for that.


17e72a (4) No.19903

>>19901

I'm not sure you could really do a DS9 movie. It would feel strange to be watching the further adventures of the DS9 crew, post finale. Maybe there could have been some kind of TNG/DS9/Voyager crossover, but it would be a struggle to give all of the characters something to do.


38fe71 (4) No.19905>>19908 >>19911

>>19866

>not wearing shorts

Why is she out of uniform?


1d58a4 (2) No.19908>>19924

>>19905

For easy access.


5b7f09 (2) No.19911>>19924

>>19905

For your pleasure.


5a5704 (5) No.19915

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>>19866

>tfw fetish for smelling girl's butts


38fe71 (4) No.19924>>20254

>>19911

>>19908

Illogical.


a8ab9e (1) No.19930

>>19866

I want to spank that ass.

>>19868

>>19890

>>19896

Is this a good time to point out that the writers for that episode are now working on The Orville?

>>19900

>Time Travel Episodes

Oh fuck, I think there was only one good passable time travel episode on Voyager. Usually when it happens I switch off. Writers had a big hard on for time travel plots which Brannon Braga later admitted is one of the aspects in what fucked over Enterprise.


742d1a (6) No.20252>>20257

>>19900

>In the opening scene Paris still has the LT junior grade insignia instead of ensign

My autism is not strong enough to notice something like that. The only time I pay attention to pips is when they pop into place on the collar of the ECH and give me a giant boner.

>>19901

While I lack your complete conviction of an SJW "redpill" conspiracy, it is obvious that TV shows are only made now that either appeal to, or virtue-signal to, the widest possible audience. What they want is to crow "hey we put a gay character in Star Trek!" so they get kudos from the gay community and liberals in general; what they DON'T want is for gays to ACTUALLY WATCH the show and see how marginalized and flanderized the character was, and how they killed him off almost as quickly as possible, so they could avoid upsetting the actual viewing audience.


1d58a4 (2) No.20254>>20283 >>20284 >>20367

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>>19924

Shut up, you filthy green-vein scum.


b56aac (2) No.20257>>20278

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>>20252

>The only time I pay attention to pips is when they pop into place on the collar of the ECH and give me a giant boner.

You're not a /strek/ fan if that shit doesn't give you a stiffy.

>so they could avoid upsetting the actual viewing audience.

What, you think all thirty people not hatewatching STD despised the fag doctor?


e3d233 (1) No.20263

>>19185

The one where she gets fucked by the Irish bartender? It's funny too because that Irish bartender is the equivalent of a 24th century bad boy for Janeway.

>Went to a high end college( I think)

>But decides to slum it and run a bar because its fun and he has time for poetry

So much for feminism.


17e72a (4) No.20278

>>20257

I felt nothing for the fag doctor, because he was hardly a character. The fag engineer was maybe one of the less shitty characters.


d99d97 (1) No.20283

>>20254

Elves and space elves give me a considerable erection. Continue posting pornography at your own peril.


38fe71 (4) No.20284>>20305

>>20254

I always found human fascination with Vulcan women intriguing.


5e018b (1) No.20305>>20337 >>20392

>>20284

Your Vulcan women loved getting HUMANED.COM


e6a2ff (1) No.20337

>>20305

Considering human women all got VULCAN'D isn't it a fair trade?


795691 (1) No.20367>>20387

>>20254

Thanks for that, I wasn't planning to fap tonight but…


2b4967 (1) No.20387>>20410

>>20367

Vulcans are not for fapping to they are for spankings


38fe71 (4) No.20392>>20418

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>>20305

I find your statement based on speculation rather than factual evidence. As would logic dictate, females are naturally attracted to the strongest mate. As Vulcan males are superiour in strength to human males it is only logical to assume that a Vulcan male will be able to select from the finest stock of Vulcan and human females.


12947c (4) No.20410>>20441

>>20387

>Repeatedly striking my buttocks is most illogical

>You will cease this attempt to induce compliance through physical punishment at once

>It is not as though as I derive enjoyment from this or anything

>This is a disgraceful show of humanity's barbarism

>I suppose you may continue if you must


5a5704 (5) No.20418>>20427

>>20392

Also, how would Vulcan female tolerate the stench?


3c0f4e (1) No.20427

>>20418

Noseplugs.


fde73c (1) No.20441

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>>20410

It's like a scenario straight out of one of my spicy mongolian scrolls collection.


fee061 (1) No.20489>>20490

>>19135

>one of the main characters comes from a race who were bred as live stock. What does that do to him psychologically?

I thought that you were talking about the black chick until I got to the second sentence.


8b30be (1) No.20490>>20501

>>20489

She wasn't bred as livestock, anon. That's her natural state.


bbd93e (1) No.20501

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>>20490

Just because the show is written by lolcows for lolcows doesn't make them cow- oh wait I just had a look.


742d1a (6) No.20544>>20567

>>19086

Reminds me of the episode where the O'Brian daughter falls into a time portal and lives alone on an alien planet from age 10-20, and comes back as a feral cave-woman incapable of speech or understanding. And the BIGGEST BRAIN IN THE ALPHA QUADRANT, and a foremost authority on medicine, (Bashir) thinks she can be fixed if her parents talk to her and roll a ball at her for a few days. As if she's going to suddenly regain her sanity and POP back into a normal adult by being reminded of childhood memories or some shit.

Anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of human psychology and child development just had to be tearing their fucking hair out watching this. I know I was. The worst part was: there was no way to fix this inside the confines of a predictable TV serial. Either they did what they did (shove her back into the time portal where some quantum fuckery got them back the original kid, and retconned the adult out of existence to avoid a paradox I guess) to maintain a disgusting status-quo, or they'd handwave the woman's issues and have her be good as new (albeit a decade older) by the next episode.

I would have respected the writing better if the adult remained and got sent to that therapy center or whatever. Then you could actually have some fucking consequences where she's literally never the same, and probably can't ever take care of herself or learn to speak more than a few words; but the O'Brians still visit her on occasion and still care for her, they just have to face the music that they're never going to be her "parents".

It would even be better if they'd sent her back and then NOT gotten the kid in return. Just remove the character altogether. Instead, it was just another "dramatic shit happens, but everything's back to normal by the end" episodes.


12947c (4) No.20567>>20596

>>20544

The level to which they had Molly devolve makes like no fucking sense considering how far along in her childhood she was and what she was like beforehand. Shit episode no matter how you swing it.


742d1a (6) No.20596>>20630 >>20659

>>20567

To be fair to the writers, there's basically no precedent for this. There are literally no case studies of a child abandoned to total wilderness as a preteen, and not returning to civilization and not getting any social contact for a decade. So they went with a full "feral child" thing, where the child is basically in the wilderness since early childhood and never learned anything. There are a few (possibly apocryphal) case studies on that.

Really, it's been pretty well proven that extended isolation from all social interaction (on the realm of years) can and does drive even normal adults totally fucking insane. Given that, the fact that Molly even survived at all was pretty unlikely.


12947c (4) No.20630>>20631 >>20739

>>20596

To be fair to me you should fuck off and shut up because you're wasting my time. She would have suffered from the isolation but the degree to which she devolved was absolutely retarded and so are you if you don't think so.


9473cd (1) No.20631>>20744

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>>20630

You seem upset.


d35419 (1) No.20659

>>20596

Molly had been isolated from Keiko for a decade. By all rights the only thing that drove her insane was the realization that Keiko was back in her life.


742d1a (6) No.20739>>20744

>>20630

You have zero evidence to support your claim. You probably don't even have a elementary education in psychology, so are just pulling things out of your ass based on "muh feelings". Don't speak of wasting time, kid.


12947c (4) No.20744>>20814

>>20631

>>20739

You're out of your element. Never contradict me, I'm better than you.


5a5704 (5) No.20750

>>19085

>>19084

I liked Tuvok too. On the surface he just seemed like a generic Vulcan but every 10 episodes he would do something that would surprise the fuck out of you.

Tuvok was an oddly perfect Vulcan portrayal that differed from the usual Vulcans of yore who were just boring, of the ones JJ and STD always show now that turn out to secretly be evil assholes. Only Spock and Tuvok seem capable of any depth.


b0a299 (1) No.20784>>20852

What the actual fuck is going on in this thread? Does a Romulan Maid need to come in and put all of you over her knee?


742d1a (6) No.20814

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>>20744

>Never contradict me, I'm better than you


5a5704 (5) No.20852>>20864

>>20784

I would not object sir.


bb8709 (1) No.20864>>20878

>>20852

/strek/ really enjoys spankings too much it seems.


9eb787 (1) No.20878>>20988

>>20864

No, one or two obnoxious faggots on /strek/ keeping bringing up their shitty fetish too much.


9a047e (1) No.20988

>>20878

>two obnoxious faggots

Long way of saying /tv/




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