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Was based Eddington right?
>"I know you. I was like you once, but then I opened my eyes. Open your eyes, captain. Why is the Federation so obsessed with the Maquis? We've never harmed you. And yet we're constantly arrested and charged with terrorism. Starships chase us through the Badlands and our supporters are harassed and ridiculed. Why? Because we've left the Federation, and that's the one thing you can't accept. Nobody leaves paradise. Everyone should want to be in the Federation. Hell, you even want the Cardassians to join. You're only sending them replicators because one day they can take their 'rightful place' on the Federation Council. You know, in some ways, you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious. You assimilate people and they don't even know it."
▶ c6fd0a (1) No.1834
▶ 421cab (4) No.1836>>1852 >>1911 >>14726
>>1832 (OP)
>Was based Eddington right?
Eddington is me, with drive and resources.
>Canadian, like Eddington
>Sick and tired of the freaks and monsters being paraded around by the government as "one of us"
>Take all I can take until the day I realize I literally can't look at myself in the mirror, any longer
Still can't. But unlike Eddington, I've got too much to lose. In five years, that will no longer be the case, but I can't risk any kind of resistance until then.
▶ f8a35f (2) No.1852>>1887 >>1904 >>14726
>>1836
w-what's happening in five years anon?
t. not fbi
▶ 421cab (4) No.1904
>>1852
>w-what's happening in five years anon?
Yes… that's the question, isn't it?
▶ 646444 (1) No.1911>>1913
>>1836
>Canadians flee North and form a badlands
>Wage shitposting warfare against Canada
>Moose form an alliance with the Polar Bears and wipe them out
▶ 421cab (4) No.1913>>1962 >>1978
>>1911
>>Moose form an alliance with the Polar Bears and wipe them out
Moose is delicious. Not as good as buffalo, but it's up there.
▶ b57f44 (1) No.1962>>1973
>>1913
>Not as good as buffalo
I see you are a man of fine taste.
▶ c4cee3 (1) No.1963>>9419 >>12744
>>1832 (OP)
>Was based Eddington right?
Yes, completely. Somewhere along the way, possibly in the latter half of TNG, the Federation adopted this attitude of complacency in regards to their multi-culti space club. That's why when it comes to non-federation factions, there is always at least a hint of tension.
Take the Klingons for instance, even at the peak of their cooperation with the UFP, there were always signs of suspicion and distrust from the Federation. There will even be comments made among Starfleet officers about how Klingons are so 'barbaric and unsophisticated.' The truth is that much of the Federation resents the Klingon Empire for being an independent, sovereign entity with absolutely no interest in joining the Federation. Nothing the Feds can offer would ever convince the Empire to forfeit their sovereignty, which pissed of Federation officials to no end. That's also why there was so much tension on DS9 with the Bajorans. Although the Bajorans were weak and vulnerable, they still refused the UFP's invitations to join, which greatly offended the Feds, even if they would never admit it publicly. I'm also willing to bet that the Federation was practically cumming themselves at the end of the Dominion War. Not only do they get to boast about defeating a powerful threat to the Alpha Quadrant, but their also left with a crippled Cardassia right in their backyard. Starfleet was no doubt drooling over the fact that the Cardassians may soon come to depend on the 'oh-so strong and glorious' Federation to a degree in which leveraging them to assimilate into the UFP would have been a cakewalk.
I must say though, the early Federation was leagues better. They had a simple philosophy of 'do right by us, and we'll do right by you.' I never once witnessed Kirk or Spock begging another alien race to join their ranks. Sure, they may have leveraged some opposing parties into backing down from the fight, but it was never for the sake of recruitment. It was more of a warning, like 'fuck with us, and we'll fuck you back harder.' TOS Feds were best Feds.
▶ 6782c2 (1) No.1978
▶ f6d77d (4) No.9419>>9553
>>1963
>possibly in the latter half of TNG
Try Season 1: remember last episode with the Borg preludes but also the B-plot with the 20th Century humans? Picard and Riker basically don't want to revive them, and think they should be shoved into a nacelle plasma injector when they are. And the worst things they do during the time they are on Ent-D are complain about dead family members, ask about their life savings and (heavens forbid) figure out how to use ship's communications and get ahold of Picard personally.
The Federation by and large demonstrates time and again they simply do not give a shit about what they preach in the TNG era. Hostage situation with a group of rag-tag terrorists? Give phaser rifles to both sides and start a 40 year long civil war, dude who does it gets promoted to admiral and would have gotten away with it if he didn't double pump himself with regeneration drugs. Need to get an edge on the Romulans? Design a phasing cloak in contravention of a treaty, when the crew complains about it you hop on a shuttlecraft and leave them to die. Then go back afterwards and get the device again after everyone in Starfleet Intelligence and Security (not just "it's Section 31" BS) asks that you do so. You think Pressman's friends got thrown to the wolves? Starfleet already stopped a damn JAG once and it can do it again. Riker's protected by Picard, but J-L himself probably cuts off his access to flag rank because of it. Remember that a fair number of these things happened when Gene was still alive, so it's not just Berman inventions. This is a pattern of behavior going back to 2320, a full 40 years before TNG.
Kirk was the soul of the Federation and did more to advance it by himself, through his own middle American apple pie sensibilities, than anyone in the actual apparatus of the organization. Who were largely incompetent back in 2200s as well, look at Star Trek 3 or earlier still in a number of TOS episodes. Remember Robert Fox? He's a complete idiot who would completely fit in with the TNG Federation, and nearly ruined a mission by himself, only stopped by Kirk and Scotty combined working in two different locations to unfuck things. And guess what? In Generations you see the SS Robert Fox! He's an honored hero with his name on the side of a ship! Then you see the Voyager episode set on Excelsior, and at the end of it everyone is going on about the TOS crew isn't supposed to be emulated by "modern mature" Starfleet. Despite neither Starfleet nor Janeway being known for making intelligent mature decisions regularly at the time. Which is probably why Janeway became a flag officer before Picard…
▶ aa5003 (2) No.9426>>9438 >>9462
>>1832 (OP)
I thought it was really strange that they dropped the Maquis plotline altogether after Eddington's defeat, because what followed soon after vindicated them entirely when the Cardassians proceeded to betray the Federation several times over and started conquering territories they had no right to. And then the final season was all about needing a resistance movement and terrorist tactics to fight back against the Domininion, and the Maquis weren't even mentioned.. Meanwhile, on Voyager, the fact that half a dozen people on the ship were ex-Maquis was such a huge deal that it was a constant source of drama for several seasons.
▶ 574faa (1) No.9430
This actually seems to be, in a an awkward as hell way, what T'kuvma in ST:D was talking about. That the Federation wouldn't just fight the Klingons on their own but have to be forced to declare there intentions to conquer the Kilngons. The fact that the Federation may or may not really see it that way is irrelevant because that's how the Klingons see it.
▶ f119a1 (2) No.9438
>>9426
The Maquis were consciously abandoned by Brannon Braga because he wanted to consolidate open plot points. So he had the Dominion-Cardassian alliance wipe out the Maquis.
▶ f119a1 (2) No.9440
>T'kuvma
>Trump
Subtle. Reaaaaal subtle.
▶ 811e18 (1) No.9462>>9463 >>9476
>>9426
The Maquis plot was forced on the DS9 writers to set up for Voyager. That's why they had no long term plans for them. Still, I think they did more interesting stuff with it than Voyager.
▶ f72de9 (3) No.9463>>9472
>>9462
everything they did was more interesting than voyager.
there was an episode of voyager where they ran out of deuterium, so they set up an alliance with local enemies of the kazon but then the kazon's enemies (whoever whatever they are called) kill the kazon leaders and janeway is like "we shouldn't have done that" and 4 episodes later the fucking kazon take over voyager and leave the crew behind on a hostile planet.
voyager ran out of deuterium. they're retarded.
▶ 20d1d4 (1) No.9472>>9478
>>9463
Reading shit like this makes me not want to watch voyager.
▶ b8c11b (6) No.9476
>>9462
Considering that Voyager seemed to relegate the whole "maquis" thing to the occasional footnote or trowaway line from the second episode onward, even TNG did more interesting things with the maquis than VOY and they barely even had anything related to them at all.
▶ aa5003 (2) No.9478>>9484 >>9490
>>9472
Over the last year, I've rewatched TNG and just recently finished DS9 and both are very strong shows. I'm 4 episodes into Voyager and I'm already debating skipping episodes. The jokes about Janeway being fucking insane are not exaggerated, and I know it only gets worse from here.
▶ 4a3787 (1) No.9484>>9488
>>9478
just watch the doctor episodes
literally everything else is a shittified version of TNG
▶ b8c11b (6) No.9488
>>9484
VOY does have a few good episodes, that aren't doctor specific.
Like Year of Hell. There's just not that many of them. Like almost none.
▶ f6c2cc (2) No.9490>>9507 >>9511
>>9478
>The jokes about Janeway being fucking insane are not exaggerated
Janeway just need the D on a regular basis and she would have calmed down. This is really Tom Paris' fault for not putting the moves on her and getting the captain in line.
▶ f6d77d (4) No.9507>>9508
>>9490
>This is really Tom Paris' fault for not putting the moves on her and getting the captain in line
They had kids together, anon, although to be fair they were gila monsters at the time…
▶ f6c2cc (2) No.9508>>9512 >>9515
>>9507
I must have blocked that episode from my mind.
▶ f72de9 (3) No.9511
>>9490
she should have been in a fucking choke hold.
▶ 4dac63 (1) No.9512>>20136
>>9508
You probably did. It's generally considered the worst Voyager episode.
▶ 4c9a1e (1) No.9515
>>9508
I envy your ability to forget things anon.
▶ 625d3e (1) No.9553>>9560 >>9684
>>9419
That's a good point. It's insulting just how much they shit on Captain Kirk post-TOS, as if he was nothing more than a loose-cannon hothead. In truth, James Kirk was a tactical genius with a commendation list longer than a trip to the Delta Quadrant.The formula of TOS vs. TNG is great proof of Kirk's ingenuity.
When you look at most of the challenges that the Enterprise-D faces, it's very often problems with only one viable solution. For instance, the episode with the giant space-baby that latched onto the Enterprise's hull, and fed off its energy. The only two ways to solve that problem was to 'sour the milk' or kill the baby, and since killing it was out of the question, the only viable option was to sour the milk. Or the episode where they are caught in the rift and everyone is unable to experience REM sleep? The only choice was to detonate the rift, there were no other options. TNG were almost always faced with challenges where, instead of having a number of possible solutions and choosing one, there was only really one choice, like solving a mystery with only one conclusion.
Go back to the original Enterprise, practically every episode they are faced with challenges that have a multitude of applicable solutions, but it's down to Kirk to decide how to proceed. One such example is the episode The Corbomite Maneuver, wherein Kirk had an open-ended problem. Do they continue down the diplomacy route? Engage in battle? Outmaneuver and retreat? Call for aid? Captain Kirk looked at his choice of options, decided he didn't like any of them, and instead chose to bluff, and it worked. That's why they later wrote in the Kobiashi Maru story to add to Kirk's background, because it summed up the type of captain that James Kirk was. He would look at options A, B, C, and D, realize that all of those options suck, and create option E. Sure there were times when captains would do that post-TOS, but Kirk practically invented that methodology and is never given proper credit for being the man that he was.
James T. Kirk was the man who single-handedly forced the Alpha Quadrant to respect and acknowledge the United Federation of Planets, but thanks to the pompous bureaucrats at the head of the Federation, he was only given a fraction of the credit for his achievements as a bullshit PR move to appease alien races of the quadrant.
▶ 228873 (1) No.9560
>>9553
>Go back to the original Enterprise, practically every episode they are faced with challenges that have a multitude of applicable solutions, but it's down to Kirk to decide how to proceed. One such example is the episode The Corbomite Maneuver, wherein Kirk had an open-ended problem. Do they continue down the diplomacy route? Engage in battle? Outmaneuver and retreat? Call for aid? Captain Kirk looked at his choice of options, decided he didn't like any of them, and instead chose to bluff, and it worked. That's why they later wrote in the Kobiashi Maru story to add to Kirk's background, because it summed up the type of captain that James Kirk was. He would look at options A, B, C, and D, realize that all of those options suck, and create option E. Sure there were times when captains would do that post-TOS, but Kirk practically invented that methodology and is never given proper credit for being the man that he was.
This is primarily due to differences between the time periods the shows were created in.
During the era Star Trek TOS came out in, TV shows were born out of the radio play. Especially more dramatic ones. Star Trek also borrowed heavily from the submarine film genre which was also popular in radio play. Radio plays are structured in such a way that you need to keep the audience invested and going into the commercial break because otherwise they'll switch to something else. It's why they often have twists and turns in the plot in TOS episodes. Like Spock telling Kirk that he might need to kill Edith Keeler. Or Scotty telling Kirk that they could potentially blow the ship up to prevent the Kelvins from returning to their galaxy.
Whereas by the time TNG was being created television had changed drastically to the point where it was a more visual medium like film. (Although not to the same extent it is today). People wanted to see less hammy performances and more genuine drama in their television shows. It's why the shows are full of great moments of genuine acting by Patrick Stewart and the rest of the cast and the show is much less goofy.
Another thing is that a big reason why TOS was structured the way it was, was due to the strength of it's three main characters. Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Who both represented the Ego, Super Ego and Id respectively. Spock would always show the logical perspective and solution. McCoy would appeal to emotion. IE: They need to do something for the greater good. And it was up to Kirk to come to a middle ground or propose an alternate solution after assessing both options. This was something they distinctly avoided doing in TNG for the sake of variety and having an ensemble cast. It's why there's a lot of episodes that barely feature Picard or the other main characters at all and just focus on one or two. Like Geordi has a few episodes like that, same with Worf.
The trinity of its leads in TOS is often stated as the biggest strength of the show and was something ENT intentionally emulated to less success. TOS had really talented performers so it comes off as more genuine when you watch it.
▶ ecf78b (1) No.9580
>>1832 (OP)
>Was based Eddington right?
Yes he was.
▶ 22fcfe (2) No.9581>>9599 >>9606
>Was based Eddington right?
No. They were just deluded terrorists/pirates.
>but muh freedom fighters
Bajoran supplied partisans fighting an occupation that already ended. Fuck them.
▶ ae1411 (1) No.9599>>9610 >>9642
>>9581
Well no, the issue was the colonies in the demilitarized zone. The Cardassians were ignoring the treaty and arming their colonistsfor war, so the Mauis responded in kind.
▶ 40f6d4 (1) No.9606>>9642
>>9581
>Bajoran supplied partisans fighting an occupation that already ended. Fuck them.
I don't think you understand what the Maquis was.
▶ b8c11b (6) No.9610>>9614 >>9648
>>9599
Of course the Cardassians where arming their colonies. They had to do SOMETHING about all those crazy terrorists blowing up civilians, hijacking transports and generally making a mess of the place.
Eddington is also spot on about how the only thing the federation can't tolerate is people trying to leave the federation.
▶ 50dc83 (1) No.9614>>9627
>>9610
I think it’s safe to say the Cardassians started it.
▶ b8c11b (6) No.9627>>9629
>>9614
According to the feddies.
▶ f6d77d (4) No.9629>>9631
>>9627
>According to the feddies
According to anyone outside the Union.
▶ b8c11b (6) No.9631>>9636
>>9629
What sources do you base this claim on?
We don't hear anyone but the feddies point of view and the protestations of the Maquis. We never hear what the Romulans, Klingons, Ferengi or anyone else for that matter, thinks of the situation.
What we do know is that Maquis armed with feddie weapons attack Cardassian ships, including freighters, leading to cardassian warships being sent to capture them.
We know the Maquis tried to get the materials for weapons that could render entire planets uninhabitable, with the intend to use them on cardassian civilians.
We know the Maquis where hijacking those dreadnaught missiles and sent them after civilian targets.
What we never see is cardassians abusing feddie civilians, launching WMD's at them, attacking federation planets or anything else of the kind. All we have for this shit going on is the equivalent of Al-Qaeda saying "the other guys started it"
Remember Journey's End? How the native americans refused to move, the cardassians accepted them into the union only for Picard to get orders to remove the native Americans by force? The federation cannot tolerate the idea that enlightened people who have been given all the federation has to offer, could possibly want to leave it. They are so dead set against this, that many starfleet officers would happily supply weapons of nuclear war head sized firepower to terrorists, sooner than accept that anyone could ever want to leave the federation.
And you would trust these people's assessment of how evil fascist aliens are abusing those poor maquis who just want their planets returned to federation control?
Somehow I doubt the pure and earnest intention to be honest and not propagandise, of the people who are saying the cardies started it. Especially since noone else seems to agree with this.
▶ c71865 (1) No.9636
>>9631
>How the native americans refused to move, the cardassians accepted them into the union only for Picard to get orders to remove the native Americans by force?
You have it reversed. The Indians were going to be removed, but instead struck a deal with the Cardassians. They didn’t fly so good, and wound up becoming part of the Maquis (Chakotay is one of them).
▶ 22fcfe (2) No.9642>>9648
>>9606
>>9599
The Marquis were a front for the Bajoran Militia to attack Cardassians and get away with it. You may be deluded by their propaganda but that doesn't make it not the case.
▶ 8596b5 (1) No.9648>>9652 >>9658
>>9610
>We only created our terrorists as a retaliation to the terrorists you created as a response to our terrorists!
That is some CIA tier logic you're using there Anon.
>>9642
>pic related
▶ b02324 (1) No.9652
>>9648
>oy vey it’s anudda shoah
Filtered, rabbi.
▶ b8c11b (6) No.9658>>9662
>>9648
Nice strawman schlomo.
The logic is simple, just because the maquis say the spoonheads started it, don't mean its true, and it won't take many terrorist attacks before the cardassians crack down on the dissenters.
Problem is that when you exchange territory and populations like the fedies did with the treaty, some of the people traded are always going to object. That the cardies would come down hard on dissenters isn't exactly something you need to be psychic to predict. And once you have the dissenters stiring up trouble, and the cardies cracking down, it won't take long before the resistance to the cardies get organised, throw in a little help from section 31, guns, contacts with sympathetic starfleet officers and the like, and you got yourself a terrorist organisation fighting the cardies to bring the lost colonies back to the federation, no matter what its official stance on the matter is.
Who actually fired the first shot is completely irrelevant once the "ressistance<crackdown<further resistance due to the crackdowns<further crackdowns due to increased resistance" cycle gets going.
For all we know, the maquis was started by the Tal'Shiar to destabilize Federation-Cardassian relations. It doesn't matter once the shooting starts.
The problem isn't CIA logic, its you assuming the fedies and maquis are innocent angels fighting evil aliens, when the world clearly isn't black and white. Its a problem, because it makes you a useful idiot for others to manipulate.
▶ a7fcc4 (1) No.9662>>9664
>>9658
>It doesn't matter once the shooting starts.
>The problem isn't CIA logic, its you assuming the fedies and maquis are innocent angels fighting evil aliens, when the world clearly isn't black and white. Its a problem, because it makes you a useful idiot for others to manipulate
The Federation is a bunch of cucks though. Picard had the Cardassians dead to rights on smuggling weapons to their colonies, but he didn’t search the ships because he knew what they’d find, so he turned a blind eye to all of it.
The Federation, if they wanted war, could have had it a few times during TNG, but they cucked out. Even the maguis is evidence of a cuck-out: the Federation abadoned them.
▶ 877a58 (1) No.9664>>9665
>>9662
>cucked out
Have you already forgotten what war means in Picard's time? Planetary populations are destroyed, fleets are torn to shreds, upcoming talents are shot in the crossfire. The Cardassian War on top of Wolf 359 left the Federation licking its wounds for years with little benefit beyond survival. That's not even getting into the nightmare unleashed with the Dominion War. So no, they really have no inclination or reason to go back into the fray so quickly.
▶ 591991 (1) No.9665>>9684
>>9664
>So no, they really have no inclination or reason to go back into the fray so quickly.
Maxwell was 100% right.
▶ f72de9 (3) No.9666>>9685 >>10392
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>commits actual terrorism
>"And yet we're constantly arrested and charged with terrorism."
>commits more terrorism
>"STOP FURSECUTING US"
>is canadian
>acts like a canadian too
>the United States flag has red stripes for blood of those who sacrificed so we would have freedom to speak without punishment and the right to defend our lives, white bandages for those wounded men, stars to represent the states and blue for the open sky of a free land
>the United Federation of Planets flag has nice stars and clusters on it to show the desire for exploration
>the canadian flag just has a big fat dumb fucking leaf on it
>yeah, that's right
>a fucking leaf
They're space antifa, attacking others and then throwing themselves to the floor and whining "help we're being attacked for no reason, we didn't even do nuffin!" after they actually did do sumfin.
Anime fans actually behave the same way in arguments but that's just an unrelated (objectively proven) observation, I dunno if you guys knew that.
▶ f6d77d (4) No.9684>>14000 >>20173
>>9553
>James T. Kirk was the man who single-handedly forced the Alpha Quadrant to respect and acknowledge the United Federation of Planets, but thanks to the pompous bureaucrats at the head of the Federation, he was only given a fraction of the credit for his achievements as a bullshit PR move to appease alien races of the quadrant.
Here's another interesting thing I just thought of. Kirk was the guy who also forged a peace between the Federation and one of the most warlike species in the galaxy, and never appeared weak to them. If the KDF started running guns, he started supplying them in turn. If they killed one of his family members, he killed most of the crew of the ship that did it and captured it more or less by himself. Tough guy and tough xenos respected that.
On the other hand he never had a lot of traction with the Romulans, but interestingly enough it took someone who was almost as much of a square peg in Starfleet to out-screw that lot to a level where they started warming up to Earth. Additionally, the Cardassian and Changelings were also master ruse-masters, and the same event that affected the Romulans also lead to unprecedented losses for them both (although in the case of the Dominion, there was additional subterfuge that helped assure victory, ultimately).
>>9665
You know deep down there's a part of me that hopes the Feds came to their senses and released Maxwell with a full pardon (and a ship) when DS9 fell. Who am I kidding?
▶ c2323f (1) No.9685
>>9666
This anon gets it. Once you've crossed the terrorism threshold, you lose every fucking right to be treated diplomatically by anyone.
▶ 61e0ee (1) No.10392>>10640
>>9666
Those devil trips don't lie.
I recently re-watched DS9 and I must say that I don't have a lot of sympathy for Eddington. He wasn't entirely wrong about the Federation, but he was a deluded fool so strongly convinced of his own righteousness that he never stopped to consider the possible consequences of his actions. He knowingly fired on a Federation starship, but tried to shift all of the blame onto Sisko's head when Sisko retaliated against the Maquis. Eddington was so sure that he was The Protagonist- The Good Guy- that he never paused to consider the fact that he, in his capacity as a leader of the Maquis, had just declared armed hostility toward the UFP.
Don't forget Sisko's "it's easy to be a saint in paradise" speech. I always understood a big part of the conflict between Sisko and Eddington to be the fact that Sisko seems to be in agreement with the stuff that Eddington got right. Sisko just wasn't a romantic fool and actually had enough self-awareness to question the correctness of his own actions.
▶ 368420 (1) No.10640
>>10392
Maquis were irresponsible hotheads.
▶ d0df3c (2) No.12739
>>1832 (OP)
100%, undeniably so. The method for the Federation to deny was to allow Cardassia to have a bone, and throw a few thousand Federation citizens under the bus, in order to keep peace with the Klingons and Romulans even as the Federation grew in size and power.
▶ d0df3c (2) No.12744>>12756
>>1963
>>1832 (OP)
Another way to say it, is that the Federation is NATO/UN and other America-Based ZOG thuggery, and most of the things written, most of the things that are fucked up in the grand story, is because Jews who looked at the series and realized and hated it. Much of the story, from the Undiscovered country onwards, and lets think on that one. The problem that the Klingons faced was collapse because of the explosion of their moon and the difficulty of evacuation because they had too much military…ships…with transporters…and they had other worlds…within a day of warp travel….yeah, but much of the story is basically forcing an outcome where the Federation-Space ZOGMerica, is the undisputed power in the galaxy.
Its why the Jew Jew Gaybrams movies are the way they are. To eliminate the Romulans.
Like, here.
The Federation is like America and the British Empire, minus Australia, New Zealand and India and bits of Africa, smooshed together along with Mexico, but Russia took advantage of the Napoelonic Wars and instead of immediately breaking the Continental system, used the alliance to attack the Ottomans. End result is that Russia holds the majority of the shores of the Black Sea, has retaken Constaninople, has a large piece of the Balkans, and is occupying much of Anatolia. And a few centuries before this, the Imjin war and the following century plays out much differently, and ends with a single power controling China, the Korean peninsula and much of the archipelegos the flow along the line from Japan to Indochina.
So by the 1900s, the Czar controls much of the original Russian Empire, plus the entire Middle East, including Egypt, and much of Persia, and the Orient is under a single power and is advanced and powerful instead of weak and backwards, and instead of the Anglos conquering everything and crushing everyone, they are forced to declare Hawaii neutral, and India remains divided. And Russia has gotten rid of its Jew infestation.
That's basically the Trek verse in the Alpha Quadrant. And the Jews hate it. So when they wrote some more, they went by eliminating it. All of it. Everything that dared symbolically represent unpozzed life without ZOG. Where as The Undiscovered Country was written in the wake of the Cold War ending and was genuinely hopeful, the remake series was spiteful fucking shit. That only would have made sense had the Romulans immediately declared war on the Federation and started burning it to cinders.
▶ 9485c1 (3) No.12756
>>12744
Orrrr Jew Jew Abrams is a hack. That sounds like the simpler albeit less fun answer. It works just as well for the Farce Awoos.
▶ 7daedf (1) No.13228>>13246
Watching Sisko deal with the Maquis and how the Federation were okay with it was pretty disturbing. Sisko was ready to genocide the entirety of the Maquis using biological weapons, something the Federation wouldn't even do to the Borg!
▶ 9485c1 (3) No.13246>>13841
>>13228
What's that saying about traitors versus external enemies?
▶ f4e6f7 (1) No.13841>>13875
>>13246
Federation gives no quarter to those who insist on leaving.
▶ 9485c1 (3) No.13875>>13916
>>13841
Like I said, "traitors" get it first.
▶ 20b17c (1) No.13916
>>13875
Come to think of it remember this guy? Picard is normally so empathetic and goopy even toward hostiles, and here's this defector returning terrified and vulnerable, yet Picard acted as if merely breathing the same air with him made him want to vomit.
Ensign DeSeve, real subtle
▶ 5ee326 (1) No.13922>>13923
>>1832 (OP)
He was a pretty damn good character, in a show full of pretty damn good characters. A shame Voyager didn't have him on instead of Mahogany, graduating him into the main cast like O'brien did from TNG to DS9.
Then again the whole show would have ended on the first season due to Sisko sucking some incorporeal dick so they drag Voyager home so he can punch Eddington to death.
▶ 08ce4a (4) No.13923
>>13922
>Eddington becomes main cast in Voyager.
>10 minutes into the first episode he replaces Tuvok as head of the Maquis contingent on the ship.
>10 minutes later the Maquis rebel, suffering/dealing significant casualties and causing heavy damage to the ship before winning.
>The Maquis, who are used to dealing with breaking/broken kit and being constantly short of manpower jury rig the most advanced ship in Star Fleet.
>The Delta Quadrant gets Maquised.
>Eddington returns to Sector:001 at the head of a fleet of Kazon, Hirogen, and Liberated Borg warships (the Devore contingent is held up by a long detour via Betazed)
>Last episode (3 parter) includes a 23 minute ubroken monologue from Eddington about why and how much he hates the Federation.
I'd actually kind of want to watch that.
▶ 83d0d7 (1) No.14000>>14004
>>9684
>You know deep down there's a part of me that hopes the Feds came to their senses and released Maxwell with a full pardon (and a ship) when DS9 fell. Who am I kidding?
The writers passed up a golden goddamn opportunity to incorporate the Maquis into the Dominion War beyond "and then they got wiped out and nobody ever mentioned them again". If Sisko (and the highest authorities of both Starfleet and the Federation itself) is willing to lie to a neutral ambassador to start a war under false pretenses because they needed more blood for the blood god tens of thousands more innocents to join everyone else in the largest meat grinder in Alpha Quadrant history then I can't see him being above facilitating Punished Eddington's leadership of the Duranium Dogs in the badlands. Let them bomb, assassinate and sabotage their hearts out against the Cardies while building up a weapon to surpass Terak Nor; the longer they're alive and tying up military resources the better. Just imagine…
>More tensions and speeches between Sisko and Eddington
>Miles going back to war against the spoon'eds and being caught between liking it and hating himself for liking it, as well as being free of Starfleet
>Quark caught between short-term profiteering, long-term survival and whatever moral compass he has
>All senior staff acting as military advisors and training resistance members
>The very real possibility that the Maquis will split itself apart in the end as people argue over whether or not to re-join the Federation and cause more drama
The wasted potential is downright depressing.
▶ e02dc3 (2) No.14004>>14006
>>14000
>Miles going back to war against the spoon'eds and being caught between liking it and hating himself for liking it, as well as being free of Starfleet
Stop. I heard enough. And all I can say is this.
It sounds fucking fantastic. Too bad there is no way in hell that something like that would be made in current year.
▶ 08ce4a (4) No.14006>>14007 >>14008
>>14004
In your headcannon for this unmade show, which way does the chief go in the end? Does he stick to his Federation roots and keep pushing for peace and harmony? Or does he embrace the bloodshed and embrace his inner human?
▶ e02dc3 (2) No.14007
>>14006
If wishes were horses, I want to see the Chief go the way of "I don't want to do this, don't make me do this, I am pleading with you to not make me do this, but if I have to. I will go full total war on the quadrant if it means the victory will buy real peace no matter how fleeting. Because I've seen the cost of false peace."
A more practical bet would be it depends on whoever (as well as their team of lawyers) is in charge of the series. Would they be willing to take risks or would they fall back on the good or the bad version of
>muh trek formula
Just for personal basis of comparison, I count Wrath of Khan, TOS, TNG, DS9 in the good version of trek formula. Something like Voyager, not so much due to how they chickened out of the original premise and eventually just tried rehashing too much TNG. I don't count any of the Abrams stuff as trek in my book.
tldr: I'd probably lean towards
>Or does he embrace the bloodshed and embrace his inner human?
▶ b983c2 (2) No.14008>>14026
>>14006
He obviously switches to the Mirror Universe and becomes the Emperor of the reformed Terran Empire.
▶ 08ce4a (4) No.14026>>14124 >>14708
>>14008
Throughout the mirror universe aka, the best universe you will see statues and paintings of this man wherever you look. Every schoolboy learns his story, learns about how he personally lead the charge that crushed the last members of the Order of the Bat'leth at Ty'Gokor. Later in their lives they struggle to understand the complexity of the manoeuvre and deceit he employed in his campaigns against the Romulan empire. They read the transcripts of his negotiations with the Cardassians, and learn how his attempts at incorporating them into the Human Empire peacefully as vassals were refused, leading to the total destruction of the Cardassian species. They learn about the craven attempts of the Ferengi to bribe his armies, and the fate that came for them after such dishonourable conduct.
You cannot live in the Human Empire without knowing his face, and knowing that his name is Chief.
▶ b983c2 (2) No.14124>>14324
>>14026
This is more beautiful than I can possibly imagine.
▶ 08ce4a (4) No.14324>>14359 >>14708
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>14124
It was late in his life when he could finally lay down his weapons and return home. He was welcomed as a hero of course and the celebrations lasted for weeks. At the height of the revelry on the last day of those celebrations he was formally crowned as Emperor, this anthem played over the ceremony as holograms of his dead and surrendered foes were beamed around the Empire. The only minor negative note was a relatively unknown suicide of a woman by the name of Keiko Ishiskawa who left a note explaining that she could no longer cope with the depression of the Emperor O'Brien the first turning her down in their youth.
After taking his throne he began the long task of turning the United Human Empire of the Alpha Quadrant (and its associated vassal species) into the thriving and prosperous place we know today.
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▶ fd7558 (1) No.14720>>14721
>>1832 (OP)
No.
>fucking up peace with an empire you've been at war with for a fucking long ass time because MUH FARMS
▶ ca2533 (1) No.14721
>>14720
Was Rhodesia wrong?
▶ cb8ce3 (1) No.14726>>14816 >>14836
>>1836
>>Sick and tired of the freaks and monsters being paraded around by the government as "one of us"
I know the feel but the US is on the same path as well as other western countries. We are being forced to accept other peoples beliefs and being silenced at the same time.
Do you glow in the dark?
>>1852
>w-what's happening in five years anon?
>t. not fbi
kek!
▶ 513058 (1) No.14816>>14836
>>14726
Canada was a mistake.
▶ a92d59 (1) No.14836
>>14726
Turdcuck looks like tumblr and twitter cancer incarnate.
>>14816
Maybe it can survive and be reborn in a less soy filled way after the events of the eugenic wars.
▶ a974ad (2) No.14941>>14966
>>14708
Can you post that compilation anon? Thanks.
▶ a974ad (2) No.14981
>>14966
Nice dubs, and thanks for the pasta
▶ 167e56 (1) No.16809>>16813 >>18248 >>20140
Was the Terran Empire wrong?
▶ 48a010 (1) No.16813
>>16809
>Wheredoyouthinkyouare.mp4
▶ 57a9c5 (1) No.18248
>>16809
Terran Empire was essentially the Roman Empire. While it may have been oppressive, it also allowed individuals of extraordinary talent to rise to the top and anyone who adopted their swole philosophy could become even Emperor.
▶ c32d74 (1) No.20132>>20144
The more I watch of TNG the more I feel that Picard was the exception rather than the norm. He was the physical embodiment of the ideals of the Federation while everyone you saw around him actively waved it away. Eddington and the Maquis were spot on about the Federation, almost everyone else was too blind to see it.
▶ 1c985b (1) No.20133
>WE DINDU NUFFIN THE SPOONHEADS HAD IT COMING
>WE NEVER HURT THE FEDERATION, THAT WOULD BE BAD
>ignores the list of shit the Maquis did that hurt the Federation
Eddington is a retarded ideologue. He's never even lived on the demilitarized zone and has no stake in any of this shit whatsoever, he just got a boner over rebelling against authority and went off to be a nigger because he was scared that DS9's nigger would've beaten him half to death first.
Fuck the Maquis, they're a gang of spoiled children who get butthurt when they aren't allowed to suck each other's dicks on the fringe of Fed space anymore.
▶ 24ed0f (1) No.20136
>>9512
It is in every way, thanks for reminding me.
▶ 24dd99 (2) No.20140>>20162
>>16809
Yeah. Kinda. Organizationally.
No power can survive if everyone is incentivized to assassinated their (veteran) superiors. Maybe if it were honorable combat sure, that would work as it is with Klingons, but straight assassinations is a terrible method of advancement. Being a good assassin doesn't make you a competent starship captain. It was just a matter of time before the deck of cards came collapsing in on itself, and it did, with a fucking slave making his way to becoming the heart of the Empire. I mean you can't have a militarized, expansionist, Imperialistic authority but also encourage assassination as a primary method of career advancement and expect said Empire to survived; an Empire run anarchically is destined for failure.
I suspect that even without Spock's reforms killing the Empire's strength that they'd have fallen to the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance simply because the Empire wouldn't be able to coordinated as well with everyone lying and betraying each other.
▶ 844915 (1) No.20144>>20162
>>20132
Not the first time I've heard that. Here's an interesting blog post about that from yonks ago:
http://wrongquestions.blogspot.ca/2011/04/lets-see-whats-out-there-part-iv-keep.html
▶ 4c71e3 (1) No.20162>>20176
>>20140
Isn't in established in the TOS Mirror episode though there was some rules before someone could assassinate their superior i.e. they had fucked up in their duty or disobeyed orders?
>>20144
That is actually a fairly good write up.
▶ 712987 (1) No.20173
>>9684
>You know deep down there's a part of me that hopes the Feds came to their senses and released Maxwell with a full pardon (and a ship) when DS9 fell. Who am I kidding?
That would entail admitting they were wrong to put him there. And aside from their 1984 esque inability to ever accept such, they had valid reasons for doing so, and valid reasons for letting the Cardassians win.
Greater politics. They couldn't afford to continously justify all the propaganda aimed at them making them out to be little better than the more blatant and open empires out there. Things were starting to get more than a little awkward when they were visibly advancing and expanding for no rhyme or reason other than pure expansionism itself, with flimsy moral justifications.
I'd wager that had they simply crushed Cardassia, that their alliance with the Klingons would have been all but over, and when the Klingong Civil War that put Gowron on the throne occurs, Romulan assitance is embraced by the public, not shunned.
▶ 24dd99 (2) No.20176>>20184 >>20210
>>20162
TOS Mirror Universe might as well be non-canon at this point. People in it were intelligent, cruel, and realistic. Except Checkov, who was comically stupid. For some reason all over Mirror Universe episodes are based off Checkov and his goofy, impulsive idiocy rather than the other subtle, more complex characters (like Mirror Spock in particular).
▶ 1e514b (1) No.20184>>20221
>>20176
Checkov always felt like a clown character even out the MU. He always had the roles where he is appearing like a little guy.
▶ 848275 (1) No.20210>>20223
>>20176
DS9 really fucked up the Mirror Universe to be honest.
▶ 8bf49e (1) No.20221
>>20184
Which is a shame when Babylon 5 proved the actor can be a creepy motherfucker when he wants to be.
▶ a73eab (1) No.20223>>20230
>>20210
This. DS9 MU was just an excuse to have Nana Visitor dyke out and most of the plots were on that level. They became a bunch of degenerates as opposed to mongolians.
▶ f004af (1) No.20230
>>20223
Mirror Universe was never meant to be mirror. More lack of self control and governed by their emotions rather than logic.