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They had the right idea but were kind of retarded. Earthquake terrorism on a bunch of tourists isn't exactly the most coherent method of proving the Federation's decadence. They would have had better results going to places like the Cardassian DMZ and using the Maquis and similar groups to point out that Feddie-brand socialism fails just like all socialism, turning Earth and the other core worlds into degenerate pseudo-utopias at the expense of all the colonies.

In fact, since their actions on Risa could only have served to turn 99% of Federation citizens against their cause, I'm willing to bet that Fullerton and his gang were controlled opposition, to turn normies against anybody complaining about how easy the Core worlds have it. That way when Maquis sympathizers start making the same points Sisko did with his "problem with paradise" speech, normies will immediately associate them with those evil alt-right terrists that tried to bomb Risa, and stop listening.

>>17634

>controlled opposition

This makes far too much sense.

Episode was pretty shit, but it did have Dax call Worf out on his shit that they're more Klingon than Worf.

>>17634

>New Essentialists as intentionally terrible controlled opposition set up to preemptively suppress and discredit anti-federation movements

It is worrying how easily /pol/trek slides into the setting, that episode reads almost exactly like something out of the Section 31 handbook.

>>17647

>Good idea done badly

Sums up most of DS9 plotlines :^)

>>17647

>They had a good idea, an idea that they had some decent arguments for and I wish they'd expanded upon them, but they became literal terrorists to prove their point and that undermined everything they stood for. If you want to prove how vulnerable people are to external threats you don't convince them by being an internal threat to them, that rallies people against you not too you because you've just threatened them. To think if they keep it peaceful they'd have probably recruited millions and millions during and after the Dominion War and could've affected serious change in the Federation.

Exactly, which is why I concluded that they must be controlled opposition. It makes sense, no one that redpilled on the Federation would do something so mind-numbingly retarded.

>>17638

>does job poorly, makes pathetic arguments

>timed right as the Maquis become a hot topic

>message is dumb and pointless anyways, only purpose is to be associated with other messages

>nothing and no one meaningful actually hurt.

>is the federation too soft? fuck yes

<possible solutions

>protest in favor of war

>march against the dominion

>help develop weapons/arm civilians/pro gun rights

>scare people with facts about changlings

>nope let's just go mess with the pleasure planet and turn off the weather control machines so it's not sunny out

>>17633 (OP)

Yes, they were wrong and stupid. So stupid, in fact, that Worf agreed with them.

>>17676

>>The Grazerites are described as "having evolved from herbivorous herd animals and as such loathe violence and confrontation."

> running away from danger

Except, here's the thing, everything that evolves, and manages to build a civilization becomes sedentary, which forces you to defend a location. Which means engaging in violence, premptive violence even, especially from predators. So even if they never hunted for food, and only farmed for food, they would still engage in hunting in order to kill predators.

Once you have to defend a location, and fear being eaten, you will engage in violence. So the entire meme of alien civilizations growing without engaging in mass violence and warfare is silly and stupid.

And its especially stupid for a sentient herbivorous race to reach the stars without being violent. I would sooner beleive an exclusively carnivorous race would reach the stars without mass warfare and minimal interpersonal violence than a herbivore people. Why?

Farming requires lands, load of it…and ill have to continue this another time.

>>I can see him trying to scupper any attempt to arm and organise federation citizens simply out of how terrified he would be by the idea of armed and organised civilian militias.

Normal, regular human beings would be prone to that. The shit ones anyways.

>>17693

>>17676

>>17693

>Farming requires lands, load of it…and ill have to continue this another time

Alrighty.

It especially acquires loads of land early on, because early staples haven't yet been bred for productivity and farming techniques rely on stone tools to till the land. Modern day farming is 100x times more productive per acre in terms of calories for any single growing season. Literally 100x times more productive in terms of calories, nutrition and bushels. With the same crop too, compared to the earliest farmers. I'm talking the very first farmers, pre-Babylon, Pre-Egypt.

That is a shit load of land that needs to be tamed and farmed. A fucking shitload. There is a reason wealth was once measured in land, and gold was a mere currency. A decoration.

And that's not getting into the other part of that, taming stables, fruits, vegetables, starches to be not poisonous and to take less work to eat. Apples weren't farmed until the Romans, Apples are very recent. Corn/Maize took the MesoAmerican people centuries to breed into something productive and took Americans another 200 years to bring it into todays Corn. Potatoes are part of a family that is mostly poisonous and difficult to prepare, some tribes in South America still work the hard stuff, even though the Incas managed to breed a better potato centuries ago. And the Potato literally doubled Europe's population, making Germany, Poland and Russia, the Northern European Plain, inhabitable by larger and more numerous groups of people. NorthWestern Europe would never have ascended to the power they did without the potato.

And all of that took the better part of 20,000 years to develop.With a shitload of wars. Almost exclusively because good land was a precious resource.

A carnivorous race however, could skip all of that and engage in animal husbandry and shepherding. And if they are ocean bound, there might very well be enough food for them to get to Egypt's level before a single large internecine conflict.

So literally every single race in fiction that claims to have a nonviolent history and just ran away from danger, is lying hardcore and engaging in massive deception.

>>17693

>>17695

You raise a good point.

However, have you considered crops, land, and/or farming techniques that defy conventional earth physics?>>17695

>>17633 (OP)

What they did is like going to a waterpark and having a few dozen people shit in the pool all at once because they think waterparks are decadent and ridiculous. Even if they are, all they're doing is ruining the good time of others and proving that they are assholes. No one who visits the orgy planet is going to side with a bunch of shame-driven prudes who tell them that having orgies is actually super bad… Even if it is, because a vacation planet in a post-scarcity, space faring civilization where you can literally spend your days on a holodeck banging anyone they could ever want.

And it's not like it's just a nice place to visit, either. They painstakingly modified and augmented the planet so they control the weather system. All that fucking effort so the Orgy planet can constantly have pleasant weather.. They could be terraforming planets and expanding the habitable territory for countless species with that technology. They could be plopping research bases and resource gathering facilities on planets, and instead of doing something valuable.. they're having orgies. It is wasteful and it did leave the Federation open to numerous attacks and wars. The Changelings nearly collapsed them from the inside, and the combined forces of the Jem Hadar and Breen nearly destroyed them, because members of the Federation were busy building orgy planets.

>>17706

It'd be nice for the new series to be about the wonders of future technology. Remember that moon that Quark's relative owns? What if on the inside, its honeycombed with livable space, forests, jungle, fuck it even a desert for flavor, all from the Genesis Device technology.

>>17705

>defy conventional physics

Look, you dumb nigger, no one besides deities pops into existence already interstellar, every species has to start from the stone plow hand tools bottom.

You don't get to defy physics straight from the Stone Age. And guess what, if they managed to find the combo of plants that is the Super Potato/Peanut/Oats/Wheat early on, it just explodes their population even harder and starts wars even faster.

Now maybe the victors of their wars had a CULTURE that became all snooty and fart huffingly self-absorbed, but the species did some violence.

The worst thing Ira Steven Behr ever did to the Ferenghi is write them as incapable of violence.

Risa got me thinking, where would anons go on holiday in the Star Trek universe?

>>17846

From a fan angle, the best options would be visiting and meeting characters you like. For instance, would be interesting to go to Quark's bar on DS9 I guess.

As a Federation citizen.. vacation from what? Unless you're in Starfleet, there's not much stopping you from spending all day in total, unapologetic leisure.

>>17846

Bajor, of course.

>>17846

New Ferenginar, or Quark's Gulch. But first, we'd have to work to found it. An enclave for true Ferengi all across the quadrant, who seek to make profit away from the insidious wiles of the antiNagus, and the female who whispers in his ear.

>>17996

I've always thought a fun character to play in a Trek RPG would be a Ferengi monk, who spent his life in a monastery practicing the holy art of day trading. With the fall of free enterprise, he leaves Ferenginar in search of a world where the sanctity of greed remains unsullied.

>>18047

>Ferengi Monk

Reading that canned proposed Star Trek series?