32db15 No.15966
>50000LY in all directions
>basically it's the size of the whole fucking galaxy
I know is this isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened on the show but this crackhead scaling just pisses me off. Why the fuck can't Trek writers keep this shit consistent or at least plausible?
3a1861 No.15969
>>15966
You should see the galaxy map thread. That's one hell of a headache considering where everyone is supposed to be.
0bf96a No.15998
>>15966
Most "sci fi" writers just write fantasy in space.
45274e No.16002
>>15966
>>50000LY in all directions
>>basically it's the size of the whole fucking galaxy
Exactly what is?
32db15 No.16017
>>16002
https://web.archive.org/web/20150313123405/http://news.rpi.edu/content/2015/03/09/rippling-milky-way-may-be-much-larger-previously-estimated
>Going into the research, astronomers had observed that the number of Milky Way stars diminishes rapidly about 50,000 light years from the center of the galaxy
The break between our galaxy and the larger universal intergalactic medium is about 50000 lightyears along a plane, as large as the Procyon V expanse. Basically, the size of the galaxy; also given how fucked up expanse space is this would pretty much mean everyone except on the opposite ass end of the galaxy on the rim there would potentially be severely fucked up unless they were rocking some hot-shit technology.
Although I was wrong in the OP slightly; it wasn't as big as the galaxy because the vast majority of our galaxy is 50000LY on a plane. This Sphere Builder environment is in all directions. It's much more voluminous than our galaxy. It also potentially envelops the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy, which is only 25KLY off the plane.
d6618c No.16031
>>15998
it's not like Tolkein made Sauron's tower the size of a continent
189927 No.16101
>There will eventually become a point where /strek/ spreads the influence of Swoleness 50000LY in all directions.
0cf592 No.16134
>>15966
>Daniels
I always imagined Daniels was an Alpha version of Wesley.
9e723e No.16171
Eh, look on the bright side. At least you haven't had retard apologists trying to explain how "…made the Kessel Run in twelve parsecs" makes any sense, for forty fucking years.
d53583 No.16260
A) Because 40 years ago 100% of the viewers didnt know what a light year is. Most people looked it up BECAUSE of trek.
B) Like most space operas Trek was never about the "space" part of it. The setting is there to give a coherent atmospherein which the story could take place, it could be medieval and it wouldnt change.
2643b3 No.16262
>>16171
Really, that was never so egregious. One of the books devoted a couple sentences to Han passing by a black hole or some shit, but it's not mentioned beyond that. Nu-canon has been playing up the Kessel Run to ridiculous levels, however, because OMG REFERENCES!
32db15 No.16264
>>16260
>Enterprise
>40 years ago
f203d7 No.16275
>>16262
>>16171
Wasn't the scripts original intent for Han to be talking out of his ass?
953beb No.16282
>>15969
voyager still doesn't make sense to me because of that
the federation alone is pretty much as long as an entire quadrant, if people are supposed to get from one point to another in it, how are they not able to do the same in voyager
f9c5ef No.16284
Need all that room just for the ships to be able to move around
1eca8b No.16292
>>16284
Seems impractically large. How many people do they need onboard?
1eca8b No.16293
>>16275
Well, that would be a more obvious explanation, but you know the people who write these things.
aaf7d4 No.16297
>>16292
>Seems impractically large. How many people do they need onboard?
Halo and Warhammer would like a word with you.
ecb1c5 No.16299
>>16297
>dead franchise and pretty much dead franchise would like a word with you
ftfy
f55717 No.16308
>>16292
>How many people do they need onboard?
Drexler's estimate is somewhere in this pile of nonsense: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-J)?oldid=2030176#Speculations
40a3ca No.16310
>>16300
>>16284
>In the future the Federation become the intergalactic pizza police
2643b3 No.16311
>>16310
>Captain's Log, Stardate 216450.693
>The Enterprise is investigating a possible outbreak of Dominos-sympathizers in the Aldebaran sector.
9e723e No.16326
>>16284
Was the Defiant really that fucking huge?? Given that it always had a skeleton crew and seemed about as spacious as a large shuttlecraft, having it be the size of a Voyager's fucking saucer-section is completely absurd.
>>16308
>Doug Drexler thought of the Enterprise-J as having "large parks, entertainment zones, and entire universities on board. The ship is so large that turbolifts would be replaced with site to site transporters."
When put like this, it's actually not that far-fetched. It's not a ship in the classic sense; it's more of an enormous flying city with warp engines attached. Less a battleship, more "we put New York City on pontoons".
2643b3 No.16333
>>16326
>Was the Defiant really that fucking huge?? Given that it always had a skeleton crew and seemed about as spacious as a large shuttlecraft, having it be the size of a Voyager's fucking saucer-section is completely absurd.
That's a 2-D image anon, remember Defiant is a lot flatter than Voyager's saucer section. It had what, 4 decks? To put it in perspective another way, standard crew complement for Defiant-class vessels is 50, while Voyagers was 135 or so if I remember right.
545f5b No.16359
>>16171
You can at least bullshit that into "Han found a shortcut" but working with known quantities (like the size of the galaxy) and still pulling wildly improbable numbers out of your ass is another matter entirely. TOS had a decent enough excuse, but TNG onwards - especially VOY, where extreme distances and the ramifications thereof are the entire fucking premise of the show - doesn't.
32db15 No.16361
>>16308
>"Off the top of my head, you know, a population of a million [including families] doesn't seem out of line, really," he commented
Pic related.
>>16326
>When put like this, it's actually not that far-fetched. It's not a ship in the classic sense; it's more of an enormous flying city with warp engines attached. Less a battleship, more "we put New York City on pontoons".
Except that it's also a warship that goes into dimensional anomalies for battle, sure. It's basically all the worst aspects of Enterprise-D but an order of magnitude or two worse.
0cf592 No.16380
>>16300
Is this from Star Trek Online?
9e723e No.16390
>>16333
>standard crew complement for Defiant-class vessels is 50
Yeah, I'm calling major bullshit on this. That's what it says in the technical specs, maybe. However, in the show it was crewed by five of the main cast and a few redshirts. At least Voyager made it clear there were a bunch of extras running around there in places that weren't the bridge.
>>16361
>three kilometer tall window pane
Kek.
The precedent set down by the D as combining the "Federation military flagship" with a literal city-ship was indeed a bad one. I understand that they wanted TNG to be more utopian and thus allowing families on board and stuff, but it just didn't meld well with the war aspect. If they wanted Picard to be a more civilized Captain, they shouldn't have also expected him to also be at the forefront of ever battle. It makes you wonder about all those Galaxy-class ships in DS9 getting blow'd the fuck up. Did they even bother evacuating the hundreds of civilians and kids from the things beforehand? One would hope.
Ostensibly that's what the saucer-separation deal was for, but it was just never used very often, even if it did make a lot of sense.
f55717 No.16393
>>16390
>Ostensibly that's what the saucer-separation deal was for, but it was just never used very often, even if it did make a lot of sense.
But would they separate just before going into battle, or would they leave the saucer at a safe starbase and assemble the fleet already separated?
If they spend a long time with just the secondary hull, where do they sleep? Aren't almost all of the quarters in the saucer? Isn't that the whole point of having the saucer?
If they separate shortly before going into battle, what happens to the saucer if the secondary hull gets blown up? It only has impulse; it can't go anywhere while separated. Would all the space around DS9 be littered with near-immobile saucer sections full of widows, after the secondary hulls went off to be destroyed fighting the Dominion?
939ec5 No.16398
>>16390
They mention the Defiant's crew complement once or twice in series. But yeah, they could have been better about showing it.
ead920 No.16400
>>16380
Yes, also they made J's for the Romulans and Klingons too.
0cf592 No.16405
>>16400
A lot of the stuff designed for STO seems pretty good. The J looks actually in 3d. It looked goofy on Enterprise.
32db15 No.16408
>>16405
It still looks a little goofy if you ask me, but the new model isn't quite as flimsy looking. Looking over some of the ships, some aren't too bad, others are kind of questionable. I do like the Odyssey (Enterprise-F) over Sovereign though. It just seems more…substantial, aesthetically and heft-wise. Enterprise-E didn't have quite the screen presence that many of the earlier models did, even with it being in film and having a large budget assigned to it.
0cf592 No.16411
>>16408
I hate that Voyager look. The J is better because it sticks to the classic design, a circular saucer section.
ead920 No.16414
>>16405
The interiors were pretty well done, though player ships only get the bridge as an interior as far as I know, like with most unique ship bridges.
32db15 No.16416
>>16411
Some of the more recent ships seem to have sort of an oval saucer section that's unusually long, those drive me nuts.
>>16414
That looks like Scotty and Chekov…with a bunch of Gorn.
ead920 No.16419
>>16416
It is Scotty and Chekov, and those are indeed Gorn.
2643b3 No.16425
>>16419
In STO, Gorn are a member of the Klingon empire and are a playable species for KDF players.
0e1804 No.16532
>>16299
It's a shame, it had some quality at one point.
Halo I mean, Warhammer has always been shit.
9f8a7c No.16650
>>16532
Not going to lie, the early novels for Halo were fairly well written. Too bad it went full retard.
0cf592 No.16939
>>15966
There is only one time cop.
c0543b No.18173
>>16939
I wonder what a Swole Time Cops would be like?