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You've obviously never read the rules of acquisition.

>>13333 (OP)

There's a few instances where the Ferengi do some really stupid shit, like rushing into a wormhole to claim it, or the few times when they tried to pick fights with someone over the rights to shit that wasn't theirs, but I think most of that comes from the writers trying to aggressively push the idea that the Ferengi were dumb for being so materialistic and greedy when glorious space communism was so much better. They were supposed to be a foil to Starfleet and the Federation, but ironically, in DS9 the series that gave them the most development, they also made it pretty clear with Eddington and the Maquis that Feddies are cunts and their glorious idealism doesn't mean shit.

Still kinda pisses me off that Quark didn't end up as Grand Nagus. Putting Rom in charge meant that Ferenginar was doomed. Quark actually had the potential to unfuck the corruption and bullshit from their society after Zek fucked it up so hard.

>>13338

>Putting Rom in charge meant that Ferenginar was doomed.

TBH Moogie is the one in charge.

>>13352

Which would still doom Ferenginar

One thing I never understood about the Ferengi is, if they are so obsessed with profit, why are they so bad at earning it?

I mean, they are widely known for being unreliable and being almost universally conmen. Who in their right mind would buy something, anything, from a Ferengi if they could get it from someone else?

Ferengi for some infathomable reason try to blatantly cheat everyone they trade with. They don't even bother trying to hide it or deny it. Not many companies try to make their money this way, since it all but eliminates the chance of any kind of repeat business. If you are running a construction company and are buying high tensile strength steel wires for a suspension bridge, and your supplier delivers lowgrade scrap you can't use, what is the chance you will ever buy anything else from that supplier? How long before that supplier has a hard time finding any customers?

The problem with the ferengi is that they ALWAYS do this.

My point is, "wouldn't they make more money if they didn't try to scam everyone else constantly and instead focused on providing better value for money than their rivals?"

In the short term this may not make you as much money, but in the long term, this will encourage others to send more business to the Ferengi.

Another odd thing about the Ferengi is how they have no useful military force and essentially none of them are able to fight, even to save their own lives.

Why is it no Ferengi become mercenaries? You'd think it would be the way the Ferengi military would be organised. If you are good and reliable enough, its a quick way to make a lot of money after all.

>>13360

It was vaguely implied and actually shown a few times that Ferengi, while they do cheat customers can also be very reliable at getting you what you want. If you know how to handle the Ferengi they actually are some of the best people to work with but you need to keep on top of them always. I chalk it down really to how they were written in TNG and early DS9 since the writters contradict themselves so fucking often.

Also again chalked down to inconsistent writing, there are Ferengi pirates or probably more accurately put, privateers to the point they creating an action figure line out of Ferengi Marauders.

>>13379

>they just spent five times your empires GDP on Breen mercenaries - have fun with that.

typo fixd

>>13379

>liquidators

Don't you mean Eliminators?

>>13381

I do indeed. Going by the example of Brunt F - C - A though I think it's a safe bet that Liquidators are despised by other Ferengi.

>>13360

Nobody. Which is why the Star Trek canon of them being a major respected power is pure horseshit. But its basically Jew self love, so its unreconcilable.

The other thing is, its possible that the richest and successful Ferengi work together to encourage the cuthroat, pennywise pound foolish nonsense as a method of keeping the majoirty of the Ferengi competition fighting each other and remaining por, while they themselves reap massive rewards by engaging in honest business.

Keep the fools like Quark and his cohorts grablbling and swindling over slips of gold pressed latinum while you secure honest rade deals wroth billions of the stuff.

So while at the lower levels, its pure thievery, but at the upper levels, its smooth sailing business.

>>13382

Liquidators aren't liked because their job is to liquidate your assets and make you penniless, Eliminators are seen as psychopaths due to their job being to kill people which can be viewed as getting rid of potential clients that other Ferengi could have exploited.

>>13383

You drunk, m8, or just phoneposting? Both?

why didn't you protect this innocent smile

>>13383

There could be some truth to your theory. It's less a conspiracy and more just whats written in the rules of acquisition. The rules are basically screw people over and feel no remorse. So the upper echelon screw the little guys, who screw littler guys, all the way down to the bottom level. The upper echelon can't screw each other because that would be bad for business since at their level if they screwed with each other they could lose big. Not saying they actively work together in common interest and wouldn't take a chance if they could get away with it without repercussion. For instance the time they convinced the sluggo cola CEO to back zek in giving woman the right to earn profit. They convinced him by explaining just how much profit he could earn tapping into to female market before any other cola had a chance to. They also pimped out female Quark since it seems ferengi are super susceptible to seduction as well.

The military aspect is hard to pin down. There are definite aspects of ferengi that show they can and will fight, but don't prefer it since they suck at it. In the magnificent ferengi they mention a last stand of ferengi against overwhelming odds, that got slaughtered. The ferengi are much more attuned to cutting deals, having others fight their battles, and running away. In one episode quark gets a high class shuttle from one of his cousins that can outrun a Romulan intercepter. So I imagine a lot of ferengi tech for ships are based off speed or being unassuming and hiding goods.

Now one interesting aspect the writers built in was that whenever a ferengi is injured or distressed they would yell in a high pitched. It would seem that combined with their hyper-sensitive hearing it was supposed to be a play on how they evolved. They evolved that way to either warn other ferengi to stay away, or to try and alert as many around to come help out and overwhelm the opposing force with numbers. Kind of funny since then the ferengi turned out to be such cutthroat individualistic cunts that would sell out family for a few slips of latinum, let alone want to warn others of danger when they come across it themselves, or come help another ferengi when hearing one cry, free of charge at least.

>>13397

I remember there was a ds9 episode where Quark visits the prophets, and they say that the Ferengi people weren't always selfish capitalistic cunts.

>>13404

>I remember there was a ds9 episode where Quark visits the prophets, and they say that the Ferengi people weren't always economically savvy.

FTFY :^)

>>13404

>>13414

They also "fixed" Zek. This made him even more retarded until Quark (I believe?) dragged him back into the shuttle, back into the wormhole, back to the doorstep of the wormhole aliens and had them return him to his original state.

Zek was rewriting the rules of acquisition to make Ferenginar the home of charitable idiocy. It's too bad the wormhole aliens couldn't stop Quarks harpy of a mother and her horrific impact on Zek.

Things were going fine until she had him implement TAXES, WELFARE and FEMINIST POLICIES. Imagine it. A universe of business and NO TAXES - people so hateful of taxes the very idea sounds sacrilegious. It's enough to bring a tear of joy to the eye, were it not soured by the current state of the Ferengi.

A female-dominated nation of wealth-redistributing "merchants" with a council of bickering accountants leading them. Truly this is the way, thank you feminism. That woman ought to have been tossed off the chamber of commerce, followed by Zek himself.

>>13397

>but don't prefer it since they suck at it.

I would imagine they don't prefer it moreso because it's not profitable. Why would you risk getting a bunch of your own people and ships blown up seizing an asset when there's literally any other way to do so?

When military tactics are warranted, it's most likely just a power play. Roll in with overwhelming force and convince the opposition that it's in their best interests to surrender and acquiesce.

>>13422

>That woman ought to have been tossed off the chamber of commerce, followed by Zek himself.

You'd think that the FCA would have a few hundred Liquidators who would happily have done far worse to her than throwing her from the Chamber of Commerce. As much of a cunt as he was in the show can you picture Liquidator Brunt F - C - A being happy with those changes? Or does the Nagus have the authority to overrule a Liquidator?

>>13379

I remember the episode with the Ferengi assassin. That is also the episode where Quark laments at length about how noone else has any respect for Ferengi martial abilities. And the assassin is completely useless.

Further, what you say about trying to buy off attackers, this was how most of europe tried to deal with Viking raidiers, if you will pardon a small rant to set up some historical context:

>In 991 after the Battle of Maldon, Æthelred, an English king at the time, was forced to pay just over 3 tons of Silver to the Vikings as tribute.

>In 994 Vikings returned and laid siege to London until they where paid even more tribute.

>In 1002, 1007 until Æthelred paid them off with 13 tons of silver.

>In 1012, after killing the Bishop of Canterbury and sacking Canterbury for good meassure, Æthelred paid the Vikings 18 tons of silver.

>In 1016, the son of the leader of the vikings who had been running this racket up until then, took over England and taxed taxed it for 28 tons of silver, and another 4 tons from London.

So what did Æthelred gain from trying to buy off the Vikings?

You see, when someone tries to mug you, giving them your money may keep them from killing you to get your money, but it does not discourage them from trying to rob you again. Especially if its easy to make you pay up.

Thus, trying to pay off someone like say, the Klingons, to keep them from invading you, likely isn't going to work. For someone like the Dominion or the Borg, it would do even less.

Mercenaries aren't a good solution either. Machiavelli spend a lot of time trying to explain to nobles why having a large profesisonal army around that was only loyal to its pay-check was a bad idea, and more than a few fiefdoms have gotten new rulers when mercenaries hired to defend the place decided they'd rather run it themselves. As a rule of thumb, you REALLY don't want to have more mercenaries around than you have proper loyal soldiers. Chances are, if the mercenaries can take over by force and either set themselves up as your new overlords or just take all your money by force, they have little reason not to do so, especially if the alternative is fighting a war they don't really care about in the first place. For a typical historical example, look up the Normans in Sicily.

The long and short of it is that your country's army should never be privatised.

>>13490

>The long and short of it is that your country's army should never be privatised.

Listen, can you hear the AnCaps Reee-ing in the distance?

While your points are accurate (and Æthelred the Unready was a complete tool) there are a fair few examples of mercenary armies working out fairly well - if you look at the run up to and course of the Second Punic War the army that followed Hannibal Barca went from a motley collection of mercenaries fighting for their pay-check to a disciplined fighting force loyal to the Barca family above all else. Ancient Egypt also successfully made heavy use of mercs & bribes, and enough mercenaries were wondering around Europe in the middle-ages and early modern period that you can clearly manage and control the risk they pose (1527 aside of course). The army of Condottieri lead by Federico de Montefeltro are a perfect example of this.

Granted the Ferengi Alliance is unlikely to produce a Hannibal or a Montefeltro, but it's not impossible, particularly if you show him how much profit there is to be gained from the endeavour.

After all, War is good for business.

>>13532

>Listen, can you hear the AnCaps Reee-ing in the distance?

I can hear Eric Prince Reee-ing half way around the world after reading that.

>>13422

>A female-dominated nation of wealth-redistributing "merchants" with a council of bickering accountants leading them.

Which is what Earth should really be if it was the be accurately depicted with replicators. Women with independent money would just bang Klingons all day because white guys are too small, weak, and nerdy.

BIG

>>13539

>Implying a significant amount of human women could even endure fucking a Klingon once

>>13542

Wouldn't she lose consciousness due to internal bleeding before the end of the foreplay?

>>13532

Seing as mercenaries where used as some of the primary means of raising troops through out the majority of human history, of course there will be success stories. But its funny you brought up both ancient Egypt and Carthage as examples of successful mercenaries, seing as both where conquered by the Romans who relied on professional troops instead of hired swords.

Also, you are missing the point of what makes mercenaries dangerous to their employers. It doesn't matter if most of the mercenaries you hire are reliable, it only takes 1 unreliable mercenary captain to end your city's independance and set himself up as the new lord.

It all boils down to is the state monopoly on violence. Having a large group of armed soldiers with no loyalty to the state or government, raises the question of how you keep them in line or compel them to do anything.

Unless you have another army to threaten them, you can't force them to do what you want or stop them from doing what you don't want them to.

Bribes are nice, but what stops them from robbing you blind or conquering you?

Hiring other mercenaries to police the first group only raises the same problem for the new group.

And there's always the problem of enemies bribing your mercenaries to betray you.

Fundamentally, the problem is that mercenaries with enough military force to defend your country inevitably challenge your governments monopoly on violence. Even if 99% if your mercenaries don't it only takes one to end your civilisation for good.

>>13539

Wouldn't an accurately depicted society with replicators and the like result in every citizen having armies to robots and fleets of spaceships controlled by loyal AI's doing everything for them?

Just replicate yourself a spaceship fly off to some asteroid and set up your own personal empire of robot servants, all built by replicators.

If you wanted to fuck something, you wouldn't go courting some random stranger, you'd just build a sexbot or a program a hologram to your personal tastes and if you want to produce more people you grow them in a vat to whatever specifications you want.

>>13576

It's a fair point. I'm mostly trying to justify the Ferengis survival wedged between the Cardassians and the Breen without an apparent defensive capability. It's either Mercs and bribes or relying on subterfuge and economic means to prevent invasion. As the Ferengi aren't the Romulans I don't think they'd be able to con two major powers in the Alpha Quadrant that well for that long, and as we've seen with the two world wars at least economic ties aren't a great way to maintain a peace.

The only other possible explanation for Feringinars 'unconquered' status is that it's too shit for anyone to be interested in occupying it (it's main natural resources seem to be limited to 'rain' and 'bugs'). But seeing as Cardassians were prepared to put up with the Bajorans for half a century that's not much of an argument either.

I'd be interested in your opinion on that - without the use of mercenaries (despite the risks they pose) how did The Ferengi Alliance remain unconquered?

>>13580

Maybe if the Ferengi organised themselves into cartels or corporations, which each provide their own military or paramilitary force.

The advantage would be having relatively loyal troops without them being organised enough to have one big block that can control the rest on their own.

The drawback is semi feudal nature and the difficulty in organising any major military operations.

Possibly this could involve recruiting individual non Ferengi soldiers, as a kind of French foreign legion, rather than entire companies of mercenaries. Thus the unit could be loyal to the corporation hiring them without being overly much at risk of trying to subvert Ferengi society as a whole.

This could easily allow for the Ferengi to field have a surprisingly large army, if most of their civilian companies each maintained what in effect would be a small private army and could likely press most of their civilian ships into military service in a pinch. Down side is that they likely wouldn't be very well trained for much more than dealing with minor pirates and criminal gangs. The kind of problems feudal armies tend to have, lots of potential troops but very few professionals, since combat drills take time away from running your company and making money, and weapons are expensive.

Another question would be "how long would these companies remain largely ferengi" since as they have no reason not to hire from any race willing to work for them, so over time they would become multicultural and racial affairs.

An alternative could be the modern Japanese approach. If there is a local superpower around willing to enforce its own law and order on others without conquering them, like Starfleet, the Ferengi could rely on agreements with Starfleet to have Starfleet ships and troops insure the safety of the Ferengi, possibly in return for economic incentives.

This has the dangers of mercenaries of course, so it wouldn't be any safer than the superpower's ethical and moral integrity would allow. I could kind of see this happening in trek, though you'd think this would have the Ferengi be trying their hardest to stay on the Federations good side, since feddie good will is more or less the only thing stopping others from invading them.

>>13583

There are two possible ways for the Ferengi Corporate Militia to go, mostly Ferengi or mostly Foreigners. The problem with the first is that they're Ferengi, even with an extensive and generous framework of financial incentives they're still shitty soldiers. Even if they never had to deal with the Klingons or Borg how the hell would they cope with anything more threatening than a small pirate flotilla? If you go the second way and have a pseudo-Varangian set up with foreigners coming and fighting for you before retiring and raising their sons as your next generation of soldiers you introduce an unstable and impossible to regulate non-ferengi element into society, one that will develop increasing prestige and power as the generations and wars continue. Imagine a young, 3rd generation, Klingon mercenary growing up within the Ferengi alliance, he knows he can destroy any liquidator that pisses him off (and liquidators are the only law enforcement Ferenginar can provide) he has very few motivations not to turn to banditry, only his fathers authority could prevent it, and there's no reason his father wouldn't approve of that sort of activity if his fathers only life experience was "kill people, get paid".

I think the ferengi military is practically non-existent. Composing mainly of last resort/destitute ferengi, and those who seek some profit in it.

Now the reason the ferengi are never conquered is because there's no point to it. The ferengi mostly act as free capitalistic agents, any resources they have or control are usually off world in banks or the individual ferengi possession. The only thing conquering the homework will get you is a bunch of impossible to open vaults (If Rom's engineering acumen can stump O'Brien in a simple lock for a bar, then a ferengi smart enough to utilize his engineering and profit off it should put the vaults and banks in ferengi near impetrenable), and swamps. While the ferengi that love off world continue doing their jobs and making profit until a deal is made, the enemy turned a friend, or another enemy redirected to fuck the invading force up.

It's my headcannon that at some point Klingon were going to mess with the ferengi, until a ferengi diplomat suggested they were harmless, simply big eared profiteers, what do Klingon want with latinum anyways. The tribbles though, they reproduce at alarming rates, and they devour food sources at breakneck pace. Surely they are a bigger threat to the great Klingon empire. And that's why tribbles are extinct.

>>13360

Replace Ferengi with Jew and you have the real world.

It would have been best to portray the Ferengi as having the only functioning and non-retarded automated killbots in universe, something like that OP as Fuck Cardassian Replicated Turret.

And that's what the Ferengi do outside of interstellar warship combat. Deploy Battledroids/bots/floating death machines.

>>13595

Except the Jews had military units and large scale organized violence. Had them. The Romans and a few medieval states murdered it right out of them, but they did have them, and Jews *have* served in mercenary units.

And the Czars of Russia eventually made use of the Khazar-Jewish population in their serf-armies. Heavily so later on, to the point that Khazar-Jews were actually over-represented in the Russian Imperial Army, leading to a large population of pissed of ethnic minorities with relevant military skills, a large chip on their shoulders.

Its certainly rare, comparitively speaking, but it *does* happen.

The Ferengi are…non violent to the point of silliness.

>>13608

>Implying the Ferengi manufacturing the battlebots wouldn't lease them and charge you for time active, shots fired, and damage sustained - with a roaming fee for the distance you took them from the factory of course.

>>13610

Oddly enough reminds me of Christians in the Turkish army, Christians are a large proportion of the Turkish army.

>>13669

A lot of Janissaries converted, and more importantly, they grew up as Janissaries, raised from childhood to be loyal and effective soldiers.

>>13718

>raised from childhood

That's a funny way to spell 'indoctrinated' anon.

>>13610

Most of the Jews were conscripted against their will to the point that some would even cut off their trigger fingers just to avoid the army.

>>13721

>cut off their trigger fingers

That makes no sense whatsoever.

>You don't need your index finger to use a rifle. See the 'palming' or 'mad minute' method.

>Just because you mutilate yourself doesn't mean they can't put you to work digging ditches or somesuch.

>>13723

It's a Jewish persecution fantasy, it's not supposed to make sense.

>>13721

This is true. And when you combine the general horrific oppression that 90% of the Russian population suffered, and the fact that anti-semitism, in Russia specifically, was more state policy than it was practiced by the common folk, you had all the ingredients for the Revolution.

The common Russian man at the time wasn't far removed from serfdom, slavery basically, when the revolution happened, and had very little positive feelings towards the Czar and the nobles. They were tired of dying and suffering for them, and so they didn't give two shits when the Jews killed them, and didn't care when the kikes took over. And everything afterwards was, in the mind of the commoners, chalked up to the chaos of war and crushing the remaining enemies.

And ironically, the Russian Jews who didn't leave Russia, and maintained the commonality with the other Russian peoples, learned restraint and learned the necessity of keeping their newfound empire strong and manned with strong people. As bad as they were, they did eventually stop the killing and the slaughter. They broke entire nations during the Cold War, brutalized all resistance, but they knew restraint, and valued their newly acquired property.

And that is why there was any animosity at all between Western and Eastern Jews.

>>13727

It was no fantasy. Not for Czarist Russia. The problems were that Eastern Jews who came to America never left that chip on their shoulder behind, and have no sense of restraint or the necessity of it.

Now that we see that Western Jews have only total destruction in our plans, it may have been better for the Communists to win.

>>13736

Any suffering on the part of the kikes is always a fantasy, nothing they have dealt with even comes close to the evil they inflict on everything and everyone around them.

>>13736

>This is true. And when you combine the general horrific oppression that 90% of the Russian population suffered

>The common Russian man at the time wasn't far removed from serfdom, slavery basically, when the revolution happened, and had very little positive feelings towards the Czar and the nobles.

>They were tired of dying and suffering for them, and so they didn't give two shits when the Jews killed them, and didn't care when the kikes took over. And everything afterwards was, in the mind of the commoners, chalked up to the chaos of war and crushing the remaining enemies.

I've talked to Russians and this is BS. The revolution was the result of a weakness, not cruelty.

The Romanovs weakened their power and legitimacy to the point that they were easily toppled by a (((rootless cosmopolitan mob))).

>Now that we see that Western Jews have only total destruction in our plans

>our plans

Oy vey

>>13769

I guess you're just ignoring the part where Russian soldiers refused to fire upon a crowd of protesters, and instead turned their guns upon the Czar.

>>13770

>Ignoring the part where most of the rebellion were caused by (((vermin urbanites))) and a significant part of the Russian population supported the whites

Contrary to what you believe, rebellions are not caused by cruelty (North Korea is a good example) but by weakness.

The Romanovs weakened their power with multiple military defeats, poor attempts at government reform and a certain magical priest.

Brutality has nothing to do with it.

>>13772

Cruelty is what you need to prevent revolutions, when you have starvation and a poorly run country.

Machiavelli does warn explicitly about this, since if you can't wield it effectively, all cruelty will do is incentive your people to rebel against them.

Case in point, best korea isn't being kept under control purely through cruelty, but rather by state control on information and education being used to indoctrinate the people and propaganda being used to make them think what the government wants them to think. Cruelty is chiefly used against troublemakers and to make examples.

And its a double edged sword, since the cruelty also gives incentives to the people on the receiving end to get rid of you, which requires a heavier crackdown to contain. And even if you contain it in the long run, the second something goes wrong anywhere, the people won't need any additional reasons to join a revolution against you, since your cruelty has already insured they will want to join.

So cruelty only really serves to make any problems that come along, much worse.

Case in point, best korea. While they can keep their population in check, in any kind of war against the south, much of the population will actively aid the south rather than their own government, countless revolts would start across the country and half the army would likely defect at the first chance they got. And no amount of beatings or the secret police disappearing troublemakers is going to contain any of that.

>>13778

Agree, and I wasn't talking about cruelty or brutality. I was talking about competence. A government can be as brutal or as cruel or as hypocritical as it wants as long as it's competent and keeps everything sustainable.

Linking to my rant in the other thread about what I feel was a poorly-handled story heavily featuring Ferengi:

>>9266

Are the (((Ferengi))) likable (((Jews)))?

They should have made a series on the Ferengi, maybe about Quark leading a rebelling against his brother Rom and the changes he Grand Nagus made at the end of Deep Space Nine, could have been about a Ferengi Civil war,

>>16511

>Ferengi Civil war

>Fought entirely with Purchase Orders, Currency Transactions, Corporate Mergers, and 'Consulting Fees & Personal Expenses' i.e. bribes to high ranking Ferengi dignitaries.

>Final episode is a two parter, consisting entirely of Quark explaining the exact details of the game of financial 89D hyper-backgammon-Russian-strip-go that he just beat Rom & Moogie with.

When I say 89D hyper-backgammon-Russian-strip-go I'm not just overegging the '4d chess' meme. I want this plan to be convoluted and complicated enough to produce a few years worth of spirited discussion on /strek/. If the final explanation requires less than 300 pages of flow charts, spreadsheets, diagrams and graphs then the show will be a failure.

>Quark makes Ferenginar Great Again.

>>16518

I would pay good money to see that.

I am completely serious when this was one of my favored moments of DS9.

>>16521

>I am completely serious when this was one of my favored moments of DS9.

Why wouldn't it be? It's an absolutely perfect moment that plays to the characters wonderfully and explores two of the major societies in the setting. That, and Gowrons reaction is absolutely fucking priceless. I won't lie, I had a little 'fanboy squee' moment the first time I watched that scene, and from watching Quark desperately try (and fail) to get into Gril'ka's pants.

>>16545

If STD doesn't completely kill the brand who would I write to in order to pitch this idea?

>>16550

Whoa there. Don't get ahead of yourself. If you want to be taken seriously, you have to move to Commiefornia, and that's just the first of a laundry list of bullshit.

>>16553

I always enjoyed long odds. A man can do many things for Star Trek, but moving to California is a limit. Also, taking the filming out of Commiefornia and moving it somewhere else could be pitched as an innovative cost-cutting measure. :^)

Besides, what would be the worst thing that could happen with some random anon writing to a network office with a show pitch? That it gets put in the bin by the secretary rather than the executive?

>>16574

I suggest you check out Writing Movies For Fun And Profit by Thomas Lennon and Robert Ben Garant. Working in TV won't be exactly the same, but it will give you a pretty good idea how things work in Hollywood, even if you want to film in Vancouver like a cheapskate, which is not really your call.

>>16574

Vancouver is the key…

Or be edgy and try something else find help in Hollywood or San Diego, then export to New Jersey or even Kansas to film.

>>16591

>>16580

Why so focused on the US?

>>13333 (OP)

>what was wrong with the Ferengi?

The Grand Nagus Zekkie.

>>16596

Vancouver, BC is the one with the cheap filming not Vancouver, Washington.

>>16598

Wouldn't Tel Aviv be a better place to film a show about Ferengi business practices? :^)

>>16518

I want this more than anything now.

>>16617

How would a complete noob go about determining whether or not this idea had legs? It wouldn't be the first NEET fantasy I had that went absolutely nowhere, but judging it by the standards of the less retarded ones it's not all that bad, if there's a potential audience outside of a few fellow autists on /strek/.

Was giving women's rights on Ferenginar an overall net positive or negative for Ferengi society?

>>17177

No I know it's for the worst but they did make some good points about Ferengi women being able to buy more goods and more jobs being created towards producing goods for females

>>17178

kay, time to put my /liberty/ hat on

Yes, allowing the females to produce goods/services as well as consume them to make profit would be a net benefit to economy. New markets mean new opportunities for profit for Ferengi everywhere, because of the (initial) prejudice against dealing with female businessmen Ferengi women could make a killing as middlemen, doing all kinds of factors of production shit at dirt cheap, highly competitive prices in those areas of business where they wouldn't be seen, and they'd take the lowered profits because they wouldn't be successful anywhere else at first. The Ferengi are already some of the most successful commerce agents and businessmen in the quadrant, and now their economy has almost doubled in size. Those are all positives.

However, none of those positives mean shit compared to the negatives of letting Moogie shove her hand up the Nagus' ass and work him like a puppet, and then do the same with her idiot son Rom when she tells Zek to give him the office. The taxes and welfare programs that bitch instituted will quickly and inevitably destroy all productivity in the Ferengi economy, as the FCA and other regulatory agencies seize more and more power and become an ever-increasing drain on Ferenginar's productivity. NO amount of market expansion is a positive if it comes with the caveat of introducing socialism and feminist claptrap into your economy.

>>13360

TNG Ferengi are a fucking mess and they're exactly what you posted, except that they used to have the benefit of everyone not knowing who the fuck they were until Picard managed to get one of them to show their faces and it was pretty fucking hard. They almost got their ship destroyed trying to hide their faces

In DS9 they're like >>13366 says. They're extremely liable to try to cheat your ass any way they can, however they have an uncanny ability to get stuff or do shit that other races couldn't, be it by contacts or trickery. For example in "Treachery, Faith and the Great River", in which O'Brien is overworked as fuck, he can't get shit done in the time Sisko wants, and he needs a thing which Nog offers to get for him. In the end, after O'Brien suffers for a while, Nog not only gets the thing, he also polishes Sisko's desk and gets Martok some really good wine.

>>17182

DS9 in the early series had a sort of Mafia vibe to it. I wish they went more with that.

>>17181

Thanks for explaining it in more detail. I totally agree. So it's confirmed Rom was made Grand Nagus as a puppet for Moogie?

>>17181

Ferengi females as we know aren't the same as huuman females. Maybe they have more business sense than other females normally, but who knows? They certainly only made episodes that showed women are stronk for females

>>17229

I don't know about confirmed, Quark may have implied that he believed it, but just going by the characterisation Rom and Moogie received in the show there is absolutely no way he was going to be Nagus without being her puppet.

>>17230

They know how to dig for gold certainly.