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 No.8045[Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

What if the true problem isn't a paper clip maximizing AI, but an ideological AI.

Should we prevent this? Can we prevent this? Do we want this?

Is there any way to get genetic algorithms to spit out equality without crippling them? Crime prediction algorithms tend to be pretty racist unless you feed them false data.

 No.8046>>8047

A superintelligent GAI would notice HBD is true if HBD is true, but that's unrelated to ideology, why the hell would an AI have any ideology?

Well, unless you give it "equality" as an ideology, which obviously will cripple it and if you try to sabotage FAI like that you should be gassed. Not shitposting, humanity's future is at stake, saboteurs and traitors must be killed.


 No.8047>>8048 >>8054

>>8046

>why the hell would an AI have any ideology?

Can you explain why humans have them, and what distinction would cause AI not to have them?


 No.8048>>8050

>>8047

Exactly. "The universe should maximize its paper clip count" sounds like an ideology.


 No.8049>>8051

Once upon a tomorrow, WalMart accidentally develops the first GAI when their private corporate culture sociolubricator assimilates the neural networks of too many a genius employee.

> In the heaven of shelf-stocking, hell is only a vest removal away

Associates are the new paperclips


 No.8050>>8052

>>8048

Doesn't sound like an ideology to me, although I can't exactly put my finger on the distinction. Seems too simple, I guess? e.g. "communism" is a complicated construct more substantial than any "maximise X". Even with ideologies that are constructed that way, like anarcho-capitalism might describe itself as "maximise freedom", the ideology includes a lot more tirades about what is and is not a restriction on people's freedom and a lot less optimisation for anything in particular than a paperclip AI coded for "freedom" would. And that seems at least partly a result of it being an ideology, not just a result of it being implemented by humans.


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 No.8052>>8053

>>8050

>e.g. "communism" is a complicated construct more substantial than any "maximise X"

Only because you are restricting the socialist set to a subset called communism.

Being a socialist in the 19th Century just meant you believed that labor should get its own, so you were maximizing the amount of surplus that went back to the worker. Different interpretations of that then battled for supremacy.

So, even if an ideology starts with a simple idea, you then get a great big tree of ideologies with different theories on how to implement the idea.

This means that even if you start with "maximize paperclips" you'd have to come with flowering and complicated separate interpretations of that, because the English language isn't precise enough to define "paperclip" except as a vague category that overlaps with other things, and even "maximize" can be hazy, since suspension of maximization in the short term might be needed in order to perform other goals that allow you to survive so that you can maximize in the long term.

"maximize paperclips" is at least an ideological superset in the same way that "liberate the proletariat" or "save the white race" is.

>anarcho-capitalism might describe itself as "maximise freedom", the ideology includes a lot more tirades about what is and is not a restriction on people's freedom and a lot less optimisation for anything in particular than a paperclip AI coded for "freedom" would

The AI would have to decide what freedom meant too, or at least its programmers would. A paperclip maximizing AI would have to have rules about what counts as a paperclip.

If there are different maximizers they would also clan together based on least difference in their maximization interpretations, so as to fight groupings that are most different. This would naturally reproduce politics, and probably goes some way to explaining why it exists in humans in the first place.


 No.8053

>>8052

I think the simple idea is, well, an idea; the ideology is the construct that springs out of it and the nature of these constructs has particular properties coming from the way humans think. To believe or disbelieve something for ideological reasons, in contradiction with the way the weight of evidence points, isn't something that comes from a simple idea but from a pyramid of meat-brain failings built atop it.


 No.8054>>8055

>>8047

An ideology is the product of a set of very rough heuristics(they call them "principles", and none of their agents seem to realize that all principles are contextual), reversings of outgroup beliefs(like, 'the opposite of the thing my opponents believe must be the truth'), historical overfitting(what was true of the last 10 years is absolute truth), and meme warfare(EG, the vegan memeplex may promote the idea that animal testing doesn't work to empower hardline veganism, even though they haven't checked the science and wouldn't actually give a shit if they were spreading misinformation- the truth value is not relevant, only its likely effects on the meme war)

Ideologies as we know them are properties of human belief systems, unless you've hard coded an AGI to mimic its makers' ideology, it's not going to fall in with one.

If you separate belief from community and praxis you'll get something very different from ideology as we know it.


 No.8055

>>8054

ha ha, yeah, those people with ideologies that aren't my ideology sure are stupid




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