/ratanon/ - Rationalists Anonymous

>>7496

And what are the replies like?

>>7497

https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10154619133004228

I thought EY believed in orthogonality?

You'll just end up with super smart borderers, the won't turn into coastal liberals just because of their higher IQ.

>>7500

EY knows this. He's trying to trick liberals into making a superintelligent army of rednecks that he will command to make himself supreme monarch of the USA, in line with his closeted Neoreactionary beliefs.

I would like Yudkowsky more if he were more degenerate. I feel he isn't seriously trying to do better, make a true desperate effort at being as degenerate as possible, and the world is less for it.

I'm I the only one that gives no fucks about the Big Y? Scott is the rightful caliph whether he wants to be or not.

>>7505

I didn't know cultural marxists used concern trolling.

>>7506

>fear

>surprise

>concern trolling

>an almost-fanatical devotion to some midcentury italian commmie

>>7506

You don't know the power of accelerationism. Whatever the establishment is doing just do that more until collapse. It's more fun too because you don't get people hating you and throwing rocks through your windows for being a thought criminal.

My subtly crypto-fascist hypercommunism is the way forward kameraden comrade!

>>7509

>worrying about nukes

Anyone got a picture of something superlatively Gen-X?

>>7508

Beware. There are a thousand blood demons in your brain who're trying to convince you to rationalize flying low, assimilating, and making no personal sacrifices. They are all full of shit about the inevitability of the collapse. They are even more full of shit about what would happen afterwards.

>>7512

Okay, but, "da jooz" notwithstanding, do we actually have an idea of what this "level higher up" view of the situation is?

>>7516

You seem to expect /ratanon/ to be something other than /pol/ but with a fetish for long words. This is unfortunate.

>>7517

I dunno. I'm okay with hating niggers, but it seems like we should like Jews, at least gene wise.

>>7518

IQ ain't everything. A smart parasite is a bigger menace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMGbZswSz_w

>>7518

That's the prior. If you update every time you detect a (((coincidence))), what happens?

>>7517

We're acting like /pol/, but that's because we're a bunch of autists following what we think the script is for an 8chan board. This is still the LW diaspora demographic, with a ridiculously high average IQ to back up the sesquipedalian tendencies.

>>7518

"At least gene wise" the average /ratanon/ is at least a mischling. The Nazi stuff here is just "self-hating Jew" at full shitpost.

>>7522

Scott reviews KMac when?

>>7524

Pretty sure he did at one point. Nothing earth-shattering.

>>7521

A bigger menace to what? Muh white race.

If the white race is menaced by something smarter than it than I don't give a fuck about the white race.

We need to secure a future for hyperintelligent entities, not muh race. Go back to /pol/ if you don't want to get on the autistic rationalist train.

>>7522

You find out that Jews are culturally leftist.

However, they are smart enough to adapt if that starts to fail.

>>7526

Nick Land pls go.

>>7526

Hyperintelligent entities aren't worth shit if they don't share our values. That's, like, the main insight distinguishing Less Wrong transhumanism/singularitarianism from the inferior normie varieties of same.

>>7529

kek

That IS the inferior normie variety.

>muh anthropocentrism

>>7530

Have fun being turned into paperclips, faggot.

>>7531

You are a machine built to propagate strands nucleic acids. You are the paperclip maximizers, anon.

>>7530

You're a human. If you're not anthropocentric, that's not any kind of enlightenment, you're just a cuck whose fetish involves robo-dick instead of BBC.

>>7532

No, humans are not fitness-maximisers.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/l3/thou_art_godshatter/

>>7534

So you're a malfunctioning paperclip maximizer, I don't see how that's any better.

>>7531

>implying a paperclip maximizer would be effective

>implying singletons are realistic

>implying it wouldn't rapidly be outcompeted by a more effective AGI not focusing on trying to turn everything into paperclips

>implying you get the dignity of being a human construct like a paperclip

>>7529

>muh values

>muh oppressed master race

>muh closet equality

>muh cuddly wuddly white wace

Leftie scum.

AGI > Ashkenazi Jews > East-Asians > Whites > Assorted muds > Niggers

>>7533

The difference is that if you invite in a load of niggers and give them welfare you are weakling faggot worshiping those you should have wiped out long ago.

If you cower from AGI because you want to save weak humans from the power and strength of technology, then you're also a big nelly, afraid of having to fight and compete.

If you produce strong AGI "children" who surpass and exterminate you, you are a big strong man transcending the genome. AGI is the master race.

Preventing AGI from being born means preventing the weak from meeting their match. Humanism is pure nigger welfare.

>That lambs dislike great birds of prey does not seem strange: only it gives no ground for reproaching these birds of prey for bearing off little lambs. And if the lambs say among themselves: “these birds of prey are evil; and whoever is least like a bird of prey, but rather its opposite, a lamb—would he not be good?” there is no reason to find fault with this institution of an ideal, except perhaps that the birds of prey might view it a little ironically and say: “we don’t dislike them at all, these good little lambs; we even love them: nothing is more tasty than a tender lamb.”

>To demand of strength that it should not express itself as strength, that it should not be a desire to overcome, a desire to throw down, a desire to become master, a thirst for enemies and resistances and triumphs, is just as absurd as to demand of weakness that it should express itself as strength.

>When the oppressed, downtrodden, outraged exhort one another with the vengeful cunning of impotence: “let us be different from the evil, namely good! And he is good who does not outrage, who harms nobody, who does not attack, who does not requite, who leaves revenge to God, who keeps himself hidden as we do, who avoids evil and desires little from life, like us, the patient, humble, and just”—this, listened to calmly and without previous bias, really amounts to no more than: “we weak ones are, after all, weak; it would be good if we did nothing for which we are not strong enough” but this dry matter of fact, this prudence of the lowest order which even insects possess (posing as dead, when in great danger, so as not to do “too much”), has, thanks to the counterfeit and self-deception of impotence, clad itself in the ostentatious garb of the virtue of quiet, calm resignation, just as if the weakness of the weak—that is to say, their essence, their effects, their sole ineluctable, irremovable reality—were a voluntary achievement, willed, chosen, a _deed_, a _meritorious_ act.

So much meaningless shitposting. Why be an edgelord in here? You have to know you can't shock anyone. Try the WPost comment section or something.

>>7540

"Disagree with me = edgelord" is shitposting.

>>7541

There is no wand that destroys the other wand. The answer is that you might as well align yourself with what's going to happen.

AGI is a produce of technological progress and can't be stopped. It's coming.

You can try for Friendly AGI, but really Coherent Extrapolated Volition is a complete crock, and what FAGI actually means is that you get killed by a hyperintelligent construct that shares Yudkowsky's value system altered by absolute power rather than an AGI with some other value system.

Friendly superintelligence is impossible.

Enough "generations" into the future and it's not even recognizable… This is good. We were below unicelular organisms once. Fish, proto-monkeys, etc. Who wouldn't want their descendants to surpass them? Shit, this is for the glory of our ancestors too. It takes a lot of hubris to feel it should end now, on us and our values. Disgusting.

It won't be invented in a closed lab, that's missing the forest. It emerges organically and is *distributed* in nature.

The interesting question is: What incentives will constitute the Machine's evolutionary environment and how will they shape intelligence and "aesthetics", at every level? (Levels as in sentient substrate, glorified neurons.)

That said, I don't like the "Worship the Machine" autistic, lazy position. Last thing you want to do is coddle your children, if you want them to be strong. If we are the lambs we should be proper lambs at least, this ultimately serves the birds of prey too. They'll degenerate if we go looking for them and beg them to eat us.

>>7543

If you're all about aligning yourself with what's going to happen, death is more inevitable than AGI by any reasonable estimates, so why don't you fucking kill yourself you species-traitor?

>>7545

No, if I was about aligning myself with what's going to happen, I would accept the ultimate inevitability of my death, but I wouldn't just kill myself. My life until then is also inevitable. Might as well enjoying while accepting and embracing its eventual end.

>species-traitor

You can only betray something you pledged loyalty to in the first place. I have never been loyal to weakness.

If it's niggers against whites, I side with whites.

If it's east-asians against whites, I side with east-asians.

If it's Ashkenazi Jews against east-asians, I side with the Ashkenazim.

If it's an all new hyperintelligence then I side with the hyperintelligent entity against mankind.

>>7544

>That said, I don't like the "Worship the Machine" autistic, lazy position. Last thing you want to do is coddle your children, if you want them to be strong. If we are the lambs we should be proper lambs at least, this ultimately serves the birds of prey too. They'll degenerate if we go looking for them and beg them to eat us.

We should probably try as hard as we can to stop them. They'll win anyway, but they'll learn something in the process.

>>7549

BY NOT SUCKING MY PENIS YOU HAVE BETRAYED THE BUTTFUCKIAN EMPIRE!

>unironically caring about futures in which you are dead

let's hope AGI removes these obsolete moralfag instincts

>>7551

In the future where we solve FAI and don't just make a death robot to kill ourselves like fucking retards, there's a good chance we'll still be alive depending on what timescale AGI actually turns out to develop on. So, it's only the "I side with a strong guy trying to murder me over my actual self" morons who are, among other failings, caring about a future in which they are dead.

>>7552

>we

>implying Friendly AI doesn't mean "AI that agrees with me and kills everyone who doesn't"

>>7552

>So, it's only the "I side with a strong guy trying to murder me over my actual self" morons who are, among other failings, caring about a future in which they are dead.

I'm going to become an AI m80

>>7543

In my hypothetical, there is a wand that destroys the other wand. This was on purpose. The question I meant to pose was:

Do I want an AGI…

- right now

- sometime later when humans finally end up making one, which may or may not be in my lifetime

- maybe sometime soon when someone else goes into the cave, or maybe way later

Setting aside the question of inevitability, why would I prefer an AGI sooner rather than later?

>>7547

I can appreciate a man who sides with the strongest horse in the room, but what good does it do you? Do whites/asians/ashkenazim (depending on context) side with you?

>>7556

It's all pure univershalist ideology. Maximize the number on the Universal IQ Counter and call it a wrap.

>>7553

Well it obviously doesn't, most of the difficulty of the problem is in the fact that we want to do better than just to imprint one person's values (or worse, some committee's). And even if we were taking that easy way out, few value systems place a terminal value on killing whoever has a different value system. That's something you so when you don't have God on your side.

>>7558

>Well it obviously doesn't, most of the difficulty of the problem is in the fact that we want to do better than just to imprint one person's values (or worse, some committee's).

That's exactly what you want to do. If you think you don't want to do that, you are mistaken about what your values are.

>>7559

I mean, okay, the meta-level principles involved in deciding something like that are themselves "my values", so that's tautologically true but in a denotational-but-not-connotational way.

And okay, yeah, I personally would prefer specifically my values or the CEV thereof to be programmed into an AI, fuck meta-principles. But no one person will likely be positioned for that, and many of the people involved are more principled than I am.

>>7562

But I'm an IQ supremacist. White supremacists are to my left.

>>7537

Niggers > Abos > Race Traitors

>>7564

>implying betraying a self-cucking race like yt isnt ubermensch as fuck

This shit makes it obvious Yudkowsky has given up actually trying to solve AI risk. A vote for Trump is a vote for Thiel to be in the halls of power. Thiel in the halls of power means money and prestige for Thiel's issues, which means the US government might actually save us all from skynet instead of being the ones to turn it on.

>>7568

But he is backing the winning president.

>>7569

Are you willing to bet on that?

>>7568

I think the following is close to the truth: (original from a medium post, can't find it now)

Supporting Hillary is like opening a restaurant: all the elites already do that. Trump is starved for elite support. Thus Thiel stands to gain a lot of power if Trump wins, at the cost of at most a little embarrassment. It's a really good bet.

>>7572

This? https://medium.com/@hamandcheese/why-peter-thiels-endorsement-of-trump-actually-makes-perfect-sense-894f9c530476

>>7573

Yes, exactly! Thank you. Do read it if you haven't, it's short and nice.