http://meaningness.com/metablog/stem-fluidity-bridgeWhat do you think of this 5 levels hierarchy of maturity, /ratanon/ ?

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Anonymous 08/19/17 (Sat) 12:06:56 No.5999

http://meaningness.com/metablog/stem-fluidity-bridge

What do you think of this 5 levels hierarchy of maturity, /ratanon/ ?

Anonymous 08/19/17 (Sat) 12:07:04 No.6000

Whenever I read David Chapman I hover between "this is so far above my level I don't understand it" and "this guy is a hack". I'm still not sure which one is true, but I'm leaning toward the latter.

Anonymous 08/19/17 (Sat) 12:07:12 No.6001

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Not even particularly interesting nonsense. Take the first image for example. Firstly, all of these are good reasons. Working because you just want the pay is no sin; nor is working because you feel you simply must a virtue. Secondly, it's perfectly possible - I would say common - to have motivations on more than one, or even all three, of these levels. Lastly, if I were to make any distinction at all on quality of reasoning I would say 4 is the least useful level. You can't use a model of such a person to predict when and how they might be absent, even partially.

Maybe it makes sense if you read the book. But consider the second image. No system of classification which needs to break the borders and put a whole one-third of people "between states" should be given that much attention. Whatever happened to 'carving reality at the joints'? There are no joints here.

tl;dr time to find a less ass-pulled philosophy to explain why leftism is inferior, this one's only three steps above word salad.

Anonymous 08/19/17 (Sat) 12:07:22 No.6002

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>>6001

I don't think the author is making a moral judgment on the first picture, simply listing the supposed stages of cognitive development (Or deterioration if you want) I agree Stage 4 seems to suck the most.

Might I ask why do you think it is trying to discredit leftism? I got a very different reading…

Anonymous 08/19/17 (Sat) 12:07:31 No.6003

>>6002

>Might I ask why do you think it is trying to discredit leftism? I got a very different reading…

It says that "However, stage 4 is not inherently rightist or anti-leftist," true. But you can say that for a lot of things that nonetheless have trends one way or the other, like, say, religion/religiosity. And if "monism" is correlated with leftism, and also with stage 3 thinking, then…

Maybe I'm just looking too hard for things I want to see, but something posted here about how civilization is crumbling because universities are coddling students and not teaching them rationality (not the same thing, but >muh positive affect), it has an obvious interpretation. My chief beef here is that it gets this right, but would still get it right if it threw out the bizarre psychologic theory, so why bother with it.

Anonymous 08/19/17 (Sat) 12:07:44 No.6004

>>6003

He actually says both 3 and 5 have monism, and this is precisely one of the things that makes the the 4s have such a hard time moving from 4 to 5, they confuse 5 with 3 on account of the monism and are prejudiced towards it. He even says that monism is "right" in that below-5 dispute, so pretty much the opposite of what you said XD. I suggest you stop looking so hard for things you want to see.

For me the supposed roadblock from coddling students wasn't the interesting bit anyway, thats not even true in all places. And its not about coddling but about misguided relativism and outright intellectual fraud.

He should maybe focus on level 5, with a less silly name. I think it points to something very useful.

Anonymous 08/19/17 (Sat) 12:07:54 No.6005

> The logical next step, a positive non-eternalist stage 5 cultural and social vision, does not yet exist. (I do plan to try to sketch one in *Meaningness and Time*—but that’s not what this post is about.)

> Meaningness and Time

ahahaha. He may be a hack sometimes, but he's a lovable goofy hack.

Anonymous 08/19/17 (Sat) 12:08:02 No.6006

>>5999

obviously correct.

Anonymous 08/19/17 (Sat) 12:32:24 No.6056

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>>6001

>>6002

>implying most jobs in burgerland promote that kind of thinking

That's the number one problem. Why bother developing employees' work ethics when you can just fire an employee rocking the boat and replace it with a low IQ subhuman who will work for minimum wage at 40+ hours? Right now it's economically viable to shit can talent that will want a higher base pay rate for low IQ retards that can easily be replaceable.

Why do you think no one gives a shit about turnover rates now?