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>>855540

Im so glad you started this and thanks. Since I am the one that posted this below I figured I would re drop it here with the update from my member.

Ok you guys, we have a new dangling thread to pull with this Buffalo plane crash. I wasn't even aware of this when it actually occurred and we were digging into it back then. Just learned of it in the last couple days.

I posted the manifest on my site other day and this is what one of my members had to say about it.

"Weird…Ruth Harel Katz was a coworker of mine on this flight, yet isn’t listed."

We talked a bit about it and then she came up with this, so we know the lady was clearly on there. If you noticed in the link they give the woman just a casual nod and the rest goes on about the guy with some detail.

https:// www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3671395,00.html

Then we have the pic related with just a mere nod she was on it, but wasn't part of the memorial either because they knew nothing of her.

I asked my member what she knew of the woman and this is what she had to say:

"I worked for a local community bank as a branch manager. Ruth worked in the commercial loan department. I think she did the loan docs…can’t really remember. I knew her from my dealing with the loan department. We weren’t chummy where I knew her life story. It was a business relationship.. I think at the time, I was so shocked that I didn’t notice the manifests. Now being able to see a lot of things so clearly, I find it very odd."

I know we have kind of moved away from the plane a bit now, but I really think this is something that should catch our attention and question just whats going on here. Could use a little of the infamous autistic help here guys.

UPDATE FROM THE MEMBER:

Glad…maybe they can find more info. When she died, she worked at Provident Bancorp 400 Rella Blvd Montebello NY in the commercial loan department. None of the people on the list of AIG employees are familiar to me. I did not attend any memorial service for her or the others. Whatever else you guys need, I will try to help the best I can!!!

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>>856778

It might not hurt to copy those other drops laced throughout the other threads and paste them here to give them easier access to read in one place. I can help or just do this if youd like. Let me know. I know a couple of anons started digging into my post with a few answers or at least a start. They were waiting for update. I never put it anywhere else but here.

Anyhow just a thought since some folks can be lazy you know

This is a superior lineup of related posts. I'll be back to start cleaning the thread up.

>>855711

A good video on 9/11.

>>860381

Russian bots are rallying behind embattled Fox News host Laura Ingraham as advertisers dump her show

Business Insider 2h ago

Apparently Russia is at it again.

http:// www.businessinsider.com/russian-bots-support-fox-news-host-laura-ingraham-amid-advertiser-exodus-2018-3

>>856428

I think Rachel Katz was the victim on the ground. The news article said that there was one person killed by the crash who was not on the plane.

>>861527

false report put out this morning that Fox was pulling her show. This is more props.

Don't buy any of it until Ingraham and Fox it themselves.

It's all about stirring the pot. Don't encourage Fake New before doing your own INDEPENDENT research.

>>862695

Wrong. Isn't this supposed to be a "research" thread? WTF do you bring?

>>862695

No she was clearly on the plane. That was even pointed out in the beginning of her coming into this equation of the crash. It is why we are looking into her. We know this from a member on my site that was her coworker and there are also a couple news article that barely give her a nod to being on it, but they do

>>856428

Just adding another update to this also stating the Katz woman was on the flight.

WHEREAS, The other passengers on board Continental Airlines Flight

3407 were: Mary Abraham, George Abu-Karem, Larry Beutel, Beverly Eckert,

Ron Gonzalez, Ruth Harel-Katz, Georges Kann, Sean Lang, Madeline Loftus,

Lorin Maurer, Coleman Mellet, Dawn Mossop, Donald Mossop, Shawn Mossop,

Gerry Niewood, Jonathan Perry, Ferris Reid, Julie Ries, John Roberts,

Kristen Safran, Jean Srnecz, Shibin Yao and Clay Yarbor; and

WHEREAS, The crew members of Continental Airlines Flight 3407 were:

Flight Attendants Donna Prisco and Matilda Quintero; First Officer

Rebecca Shaw; Captain Marvin Renslow; and Captain (Off Duty) Joseph

Zuffoletto; and Douglas Wielinski was in his home when the plane went

down;

and the link to the official government posting

https:// www.nysenate.gov/legislation/resolutions/2013/j3427

>>863911

well it was just a suggestion. The original posted article did clearly state that one person on the ground was killed but it didn't say who. Has anyone found out who that person was? If RK was on the plane but not on the roster it is very weird.

>>867617

ok, just now seeing the post directly above, Wielinski was killed by plane at home. Sorry!

Link to the crash report

https:// www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR1001.pdf

I watched a video years ago about the Buffalo crash. It was done by some small-time independent documentarian, it might have been on Brass Check. I've googled, but can't find it. It could be a useful reference, if someone with better search chops could find.

>>880189

BOOM!! That's what we want to see. The more personal we can make these attacks, put names to faces and for Americans to REALIZE that it's not "just 9/11", but a WHOLE bunch of other stuff.

Very encouraging Anon. Thank You!!

>>855504

If the plane went down at 10:17 PM EST, how come Reuters shows stamp date of 10:16 PM EST for posting the article?

Most of the articles say it went down at 10:20 PM which is 4 minutes after posting of article or 1 minute before if 10:17 is the correct time.

How can an article be posted, which also needs to be written and researched, happen before an actual crash?

https:// www.reuters.com/article/us-crash-plane/plane-crashes-into-home-near-buffalo-killing-50-idUSTRE51C12T20090213

+ there's this:

"The 74-seat plane — a Dash 8 Q400 turboprop made by Canada’s Bombardier Inc — went down at about 10:20 p.m. EST (0320 GMT on Friday) about 6 miles before the runway at the Buffalo airport, authorities said."

Top of lead time stamp is 10:16 PM

Inside article time stamp of crash is 10:20 PM

We've been told the crashed happened at 10:17 PM

10:20 PM mentioned here, a day after https://

www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/13/continental-new-york-plane-crash

People on the plane https://

www.cbsnews.com/news/portraits-of-victims-of-flight-3407/

10:20 PM https://

www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/nyregion/13crash.html

This one is interesting about pilot chatter https://

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5317378/Buffalo-plane-crash-pilots-laughed-and-chatted-as-airliner-froze-transcript-shows.html

It's also interesting how some reports say 50 and others 49, although for a crash imagine that's typical http://

www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/13/plane.crash.new.york/index.html

A year later https:/

/ www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2010/02/colganbuffalo_plane_c

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September 25, 2017

FBI Releases 2016 Crime Statistics

The estimated number of violent crimes in the nation increased for the second straight year, rising 4.1 percent in 2016 when compared with 2015 data, according to FBI figures released today. Property crimes dropped 1.3 percent, marking the 14th consecutive year the collective estimates for these offenses declined.

The 2016 statistics show the estimated rate of violent crime was 386.3 offenses per 100,000 inhabitants, and the estimated rate of property crime was 2,450.7 offenses per 100,000 inhabitants. The violent crime rate rose 3.4 percent compared with the 2015 rate, and the property crime rate declined 2.0 percent.

These and additional data are presented in the 2016 edition of the FBI’s annual report Crime in the United States. This publication is a statistical compilation of offense, arrest, and police employee data reported by law enforcement agencies voluntarily participating in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program. The UCR Program streamlined the 2016 edition by reducing the number of tables from 81 to 29, but still presented the major topics, such as offenses known, clearances, and persons arrested. Limited federal crime, human trafficking, and cargo theft data are also included…..

in previous years Table 29 recorded violent crimes

Also on flight, major Rwandan human rights activist, Alison Des Forges:

https:// en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Des_Forges

Beverley Eckert was en route to buffalo for an inaugural scholarship ceremony dedicated to her late husband? The intended recipient? None other than the son of slain Rwandan prime minister Agathe Uwilingiyimana.

Other notable coincidences, the NTSB chief, a Bush jr. political appointee, resigned not even a month after the crash. Biggest crash of his NTSB tenure and he resigns a couple weeks into investigation. Back page news, went to airbus.

Tim roemer, who famously uttered that a missile hit the pentagon on live tv, wrote Beverley Eckert’s remembrance article in the local Buffalo News, if the article wasn’t nationally syndicated.

Both Obama and Clinton spoke on national television in the aftermath of the event. Obama called Beverley “tireless.” Clinton may have as well, but memory does not serve. Find the clips of them speaking.

The high school, canisius high school, is Jesuit and the building is an old Masonic lodge.

………

-Barbara Olson was a passenger on American Airlines Flight 77 en route to a taping of Bill Maher's television show

-The story about Barbara Olson’s report of the hijacking of AA 77 was foundational for the official account of 9/11.

-Neither the telephone company records, nor the Department of Justice phone call records, nor Barbara Olson’s cell phone call records have ever been made public,

-she and her husband were at the core of Hillary Clinton's "vast right-wing conspiracy

-led the investigations into the "travelgate" and "filegate" scandals.

-She and her husband staged mock trials to help Paula Jones's lawyers prepare their case against President Clinton; it was from those lawyers that Kenneth Starr learned of Monica Lewinsky.

-Her second book, Final Days, detailing the "looting" of the White House in the last days of the Clinton adminstration

- early 1990s, she worked as an associate at the Washington, D.C.-based law firm of Wilmer Cutler & Pickering

-Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering represented Swiss banks accused of profiting from the Holocaust in their settlement negotiations with plaintiffs. The firm also represented Siemens AG, Krupp AG, and other German companies accused of exploiting forced laborers during the Nazi era

-A team of Wilmer Hale attorneys represents the “Algerian Six”, a group of men who fell under suspicion of planning to attack the US embassy in Bosnia and who are now held in the Guantanamo Bay

- who worked for Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering: Robert Mueller, James Robertson (judge), Theodore D. Chuang, David W. Ogden, etc

https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Olson

http:// pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=16224

https:// www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1340454/Barbara-Olson.html

http:// www.consensus911.org/point-pc-2/

https:// www.nytimes.com/2001/09/13/us/barbara-olson-45-advocate-and-conservative-commentator.html

https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmer_Cutler_Pickering_Hale_and_Dorr#Enron_and_WorldCom_reports

>>942496

Sometimes a fire is just a fire. Sounds more like some old fart fell asleep smoking his cigar.

That was a great post Pilot Anon. What I have been wondering is. The weather and pilot error ware conttibuted to the crash. Is it possible the planes de-icing system was intentionally shut-off which would have made the bird heavier as the ice accumulated.

Conspiracy now. If the wings were intentionally watered down at Newark (Booker territoty) would the pilots see this anamoly well before they were on approach? Wouldn't the auto-pilot compensate? For the extra weight, didn't plane drop on approach and that was one big damn fire!

http:// www.foxnews.com/story/2009/02/14/ntsb-continental-flight-3407-experienced-severe-pitch-and-roll-minutes-before.html

Pilot Anon did someone rig the flaps? Could explainthe severe yaw and pitching, could also explain noise sputtering, sounding different than others?

Sauce:

https:// cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/a-911-widow-killed-in-crash-near-buffalo/

https:// www.archbalt.org/crash-claims-911-widow-heading-to-jesuit-schools-scholarship-event/

https:// www.pressreader.com/usa/the-buffalo-news/20080627/282222301517195

http:// www.nydailynews.com/news/world/flight-3407-tragedy-silences-beverly-eckert-voice-9-11-article-1.389260

>>947806

So essentially someone was broadcasting something to jam or interfere with landing detection.

Meaning they could well have easily lost altitude and crashed as a result.

I've never liked aircraft, and I trust their automated systems even less.

Some planes are hackable with smartphones.

I bet others can just be fooled with fake signals until they crash.

If that's the case, you're looking at agency handiwork.

>>947806

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS WRITE UP!!!