810a1c No.1126
I have studied hard about the collapse of the bronze age. I find it amazing how a number of factors led entire civilizations to disappear (Mycenaean and Hittite) and others to remain crippled for a few years now (Egyptians and Assyrians). One of the explanations of what was most interesting was Joseph Tainter's theory, which in society has become complex to solve problems, and applies more problems to solve, becomes more complex to the extent that the costs to maintain too large (such as Roman Empire). It's more complex than that of course, but too lazy to talk more. I recommend watching this short series (short, 5 videos between 7 and 20 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMP328eU5Q
Now that the context is gone, do you think our society will collapse soon? Given economic complexity, these social crises and the current generation of snow? How do you think we could prepare for any collapse of society in this model?
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0db576 No.1130
No, I dont expect society to collapse soon. Nations are like living organisms in that they evolve and each evolution gets better than the last at preserving it's own existence. While things are kind of shit, you can see the self-preservation factors at work and they seem to be a step ahead of the collapse. There may be some radical changes coming as even normalfags start to rage against the system, but nothing collapse worthy. I dont think even a civil war would qualify as a collapse unless it also split the country into pieces. I think any civil war that may happen, in the united states for instance, would result in a regime change but not a fragmentation of the country
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d06782 No.1201
>>1126
With modern efficiency you can have a functional civilization with very little. As long as China keeps making electronics, that arabs keep pumping oil and that northern farmers keep growing cereals, the world can stay in this state forever. Not saying that Europe for example will not collapse, but the risk is a slow decay which may be unstoppable.
The pressure will however keep increasing with population growth (Africa will be hell before anything else) and oil depletion but it will take time. An economic crash is maybe coming, but I still expect more of a climate minimum which could destroy agricultural yields (farming mostly happens in the northern hemisphere which should be more impacted). A solar minimum is likely around 2030, the science community is slowly catching up to the Sun impact on climate (as CO2 role was vastly overblown).
The complexity argument I don't know, what I find interesting is that technological progress really works by building on top of the last generation tools, which means that after a collapse you lose more than you would expect.
Regarding the collapse of past societies, one should not underestimate the racial losses. Typically, after a conquest and genocide by let's say violent and low IQ people, the resulting society may not ever get back to its original capabilities as the racial stock has been polluted. That's why the Africa population growth and the current and upcoming migrations it will cause are complete madness.
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6f4083 No.1369
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000000 No.1378
>>1126
>another fucking 'smartest' false 'theories'
BIODEGRADATION
Fucking false social selection instead true bioselection. You can found new civilization on bioselection basement, don't even try save existent, maybe for parasitizing on only.
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1a7a3a No.1456
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f10552 No.1517
>>1126
There are six stages of social collapse: http://vjmpublishing.nz/?p=8683
America was never at the South Korea/Japan stage, but you were once at the New Zealand stage of being more or less a nation.
Next step is Brazil, then South Africa, then Haiti.
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1a7a3a No.1523
>>1517
All the examples are of racial tensions. Are we to believe that all or most societies that collapsed did so through Haiti-style race war?
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644131 No.1535
>>1523
Yes.
Jews motivated WW1 and WW2
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44ad68 No.1551
They won't allow a collapse. If they do, it will engineered to suit them.
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869652 No.1567
>>1551
that's what i thought too. They predicted all in advance i'm sure.
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1a7a3a No.3153
>>1535
Societies have been rising and collapsing a long time before the world wars or even the Jewish diaspora.
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71f4b8 No.3247
Realistically if society suffers a total collapse then we have at best a decade or two to make a full recovery before it becomes impossible and humanity is thus doomed to a perpetual post industrial stone age and ultimately extinction as we will be unable to leave this planet.
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cc56fe No.3255
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c95b75 No.3277
it happens when the weather cools.
>ice age confirmed, fiat currency crashed confirmed.
i don't want to post the rest of this shit but you should really check out alois irlmaier. it seems he was right.
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becf69 No.3282
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c95b75 No.3286
Without war，America is finished. The dustbin of history awaits.
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c95b75 No.3288
In the beginning, Trump acted based. “NATO is obsolete“, he’d say, and all the talking heads would explode.
Now it’s 2019 and Trump is the swamps biggest salesman. Stages long press conferences to tout how important it is. Gets bent when foreign leaders call him on his hypocrisy.
From not building the wall to not ending the wars, to standing by and even aiding in suppression and harm of his own supporters, no president has been a bigger failure.
To those who continue to support him, you are the swamp. What comes next will bring America to its knees and you are responsible.
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1a7a3a No.3292
>>3288
I like Trump better than I did during the election because so far he's been better than Bush or Obama at not getting us into stupid wars. He and his fellow Republicans have also done a good job of getting originalists onto the overpowered Supreme Court. I never had any expectation that he would make Mexico pay for his wall, and it's not an issue I care about either.
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3745fc No.6693
I came across this video https://hooktube.com/watch?v=OOK-6V-jOH0 and at 17:54 in is something you might be interested in. The guy's theory is that the rise and fall of civilisations are cyclical and to do with crop decline and solar cycles. At 17 minutes in is his chart showing cycles and collapse. You don't have to watch the whole thing, but the graph is worth looking at. His theory is no sun, no crops, no food, starving soldiers, immune to disease.
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1670ee No.6696
this ain't pol. it's not permissible to hold opinions which diverge from the retarded adm1ns. Abandon 8kun.
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ac1816 No.6697
>>1126
>do you think our society will collapse soon?
I'm 100% sure of that, this degeneracy with no children, and no direction, or purpose can't continue, this is unfortunate because the chaos will probably kill most people, but luckily this shit will end
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8f9fce No.6698
>>6693
That doesnt matter, also climate change is only an issue because we are much more densly populated that in previous epochs.
Also crops dont matter since we developed that much skill in agriculture that starvation isnt an issue at least not 1st world nations.
IF it occures it is more of moral confusion, and moral confusion means a lack of action or a lack of interference. The most simply example is mass immigration, common sense dictates that only a certain number of refugees can come into an alien land, and be refugees i mean culturally and economically aliens. Now the essence of that very bluntly speaking is very simply, if the host nation is able to set a certain barrier to the numbers and can agree on a certain ethical barrier it will be ok, if they can do that in a timely manner they will drown.
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8f9fce No.6699
>>6698
But then again it also comes down to income equality which causes that confusion, it means the cohesion of a society. So society cant be seperated into left and right.
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74400b No.6700
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739d40 No.6705
>>6693
As the video explained i don't think every solar minum in the past coincides with a societal collapse. The roman empire didn't even collapse in one of those period of cold temperatures. It can be a major point in in destabilizing a country in the short/medium term, but not the one that destroy it all together.
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82709c No.6716
>>6698
>Also crops dont matter since we developed that much skill in agriculture that starvation isnt an issue at least not 1st world nations.
Something like 80% of cereals are produced in the temperate latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere. Do you understand what it means ?
The West will never starve, but niggers and sand-niggers are 100% dependent on wheat and rice produced by whites and asians. In 2030 we will get a solar minimum reducing yields in all food producing countries, but at this point Africa will be even more overpopulated closing in on 2 billion niggers. This means only on thing: mass migration to Europe and if by chance the system holds, it will not when the nigger population will explode to 4 billions later this century.
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2fbdea No.6717
>>6716
>>6716
Just dont wage wars on the nigger so they dont come to us. Also give them something they can work on. Sounds simple.
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