/monarchy/ - Past, Present, and Future

>>2771

>fascist Italy

>caring what its dictator said about masculinity

From where did fascism get its reputation for mascuilinity? The fascists had some street fights but so do the commies and even the feminists. They were humiliated during WW2, and I have never heard anyone use the expression "strong as an Italian". Fascist rhetoric can get you pumped but so does painting Warhammer 40k miniatures and chanting Space Marine mantras.

I know there's supposed to be fascism outside of Italy, but I don't that is true. You can only grasp fascism historically, there is no hard core to it. It's an uneasy composite of many different ideologies, socialism, collectivism, militarism, nationalism, traditionalism, progressivism and conservativism (it's that contradictory). When I compare the Falange, Chile under Pinochet, the Italian Fascists, Nazis, and the Iron Guard, I see little they really have in common. There's the militarism and the opposition to Marxism but not more than that. Pinochet and Franco were militarist for purely defensive reasons, the Nazis and Italian Fascists idealized and romanticized war. On the other hand, the former two were genuine enemies of the Marxists, the latter two were competitors. Codreanu was a staunch traditionalist, Mussolini and Hitler were progressives. Codreanu and Hitler were antisemites, Mussolini and Franco couldn't care less. How can anyone see genuine common ground that would warrant talking about a shared ideology?

>>2771

>>2790

Okay, I digressed badly. My point is, I don't understand why people care about what the fascists said about masculinity. They're not experts on the subject. Don't forget that the people who wrote about such theoretical questions were often the worst academicians around, not heroic veterans, not lumberjacks or oil rig workers.

I nevertheless looked at the "Model of Masculinity", but it struck me as rather uninteresting. A real man is not a feminist or a Marxist? Was that ever in doubt?

>>2791

My favorite definition of masculinity is fatherhood. That definition instantly btfos muh 36 genders and focuses what it means to be a man on its reproductive purpose. The closer the traits of being father-like, as in working/providing/being professional/caring about others, the more I would approve. It also shatters cosmopolitan tough guy crap about being manly through whatever crap you wear and so on.

But we're all just autists on an imageboard. It would be wise to not listen to our definitions of manhood.