/k/ - Weapons

Why a magnum?

>The group

First mistake is buying guns in your collection for others to use. Anyone else I know and value already has their own weapons.

Now for a hypothetical situation where I start out with nothing, I can knock it down to two weapons.

>Mossberg 500 with ghost ring sight, picatinny rail, scope optional

Slugs are capable of 3 MOA with good loads and a foot's worth of drop at 200 yards. Fine by me. Can also be used for birds and small game.

>454 Casull Redhawk, 6" barrel

Big iron with flexibility. You can shoot 45 long colt in it. You can also load stiff handloads and punch meat-trains end to end.

Since we did knock it down to two weapons, we don't need to have either of these outside of arms reach. If you don't care about hunting birds, you could even just get the revolver and fit stair-step sights on it and learn where your ammo shoots, and be a good judge of distance. The important thing here is that for both weapons it can be incredibly cheap and easy to reload, and you can cast bullets for both of them- 10 pounds of the fastest shotgun powder you can find will last you a long time for both guns, though you may want some w296 if you need to make some top end loads for your revolver.

Glock 17/19 and AR15/AKM variant.

Done deal.

For shotgun, Mossberg 590 or if I fancy it a Vepr 12.

>>607794

>>607793

>>607795

Those are good guns when it comes to strictly shooting, but what about maintenance? Repairs? These guns have to last the apocalypse guys. admittedly some of those were still pretty good given those parameters but let's keep the conversation going.

>>607796

These guns are the most popular models world-wide, you can assume that you can stumble upon them in a gun store or any police station/military base.

>>607793

>Unless they are leftist politicians who all avoided conscription.

How? Why aren't they mocked for it?

>>607787

>m1 carbine

Those things are high maintenance as fuck and they use a proprietary cartridge.

>>607799

>How?

Money and connections

>Why aren't they mocked for it?

Oh they are. Everybody knows they're cowards and traitors.

>>607801

>Oh they are. Everybody knows they're cowards and traitors.

God bless you wogs, I hope to one day liberate Constantinople with you.

>>607803

what a qt

>>607804

I love the G3, have a PTR-91, can say if a group is equipped with them they better not have short arms, small biceps, or be left handed because any one of those three will fuck them over, I have a friend who meets two of the criteria and it really doesn't work for him

>>607858

Around 1 million German soldiers were murdered by Americans directly after ww2:

https://www.amazon.com/Other-Losses-Investigation-Prisoners-Americans/dp/0889226652

>>607858

I'm pretty sure they thought cats were cute, too.

>>607858

True Germans know how to have a sense of humor and have fun with it.

>>607787

>double barreled shotgun

>revolver

>M1 Carbine

>retard proof

<RETARD PROOF

No, anon. You are the retard.

Honestly,

Mossberg 500

Glock 17

pretty much any Mauser-pattern bolt-action rifle in .308

These are pretty simple guns to operate. Retards can learn to operate a pump action, rack a slide, or work a bolt - the problem is, you can't risk allowing them to take them apart for maintenance. That's where these guns shine: they'll run for quite some time with nothing more than a brush down the bore every once in a while, and you can have your army of retards turn them in for a more thorough inspection and cleaning periodically (which is also pretty easy.)

If you're relying on these guns to get a group through the apocalypse, you'll need a bunch of spare parts. Luckily, there is no shortage of spare parts for these (depending on which bolt-action rifle you get.)

If you're equipping a large group, cost-effectiveness is also a priority. These guns are pretty much top-tier in that regard. Going with more exotic calibers would significantly increase the cost of training (which retards need a lot of.)

>>607804

I'd argue that revolvers are retard-proof, but retards aren't revolver-proof

>>607804

This is why the first premise of the thread is flawed- you should never be buying guns "for the group". You may as well open up your safe to any friendly face and let them pick what they will for free. What works more effectively for standardizing a group is being a reloader amongst a group of people that don't want to, or don't have the same machinery that you do, and having them trade with you in the same way they would in civilized times. the end goal of any shtf situation is never to ride it out and hope for a return to the normal given by others, but to form a new society formed by consent and contract, trading value for value from you and those you value company around

Revolvers are not completely idiot proof. You can get a squib load like anything else and damage the barrel, or jam up the cylinder, or get someone who thinks fanning a hammer is a good idea, or loads high primers into a gun and tries to force it to work, or get inside the action without a clue how any of it works and leave yourself a pile of parts.

For the man who intends on it eating ammunition loaded by someone with know how, and cleans it occasionally and not tampering beyond his knowledge, any gun that fits his purpose will serve him. The biggest advantage that both revolvers and pump/break shotguns offer is flexibility- there are few guns out there that can truely claim to fire whatever ammunition you put through without an adjustment of the gas system. A revolver will happily fire three loads of top notch .357 and tear through a ballistic gel block, and then fire three mouse-fart 38s that barely punch 8 inches. A shotgun is much the same given the enormous artistic austistic freedom you get with a large weight shotcup- make the weight of the thing in the shotcup match the powder charge and inside diameter, and it WILL go bang, whether that's slugs, buckshot, toy cars, bouncy balls, dildos, onaholes or pictures of merkel.

>>609003

Good point about jamming up the cylinder. I just posted in another thread about my L-frame's ejector rod walking out and locking me up while firing hotter loads. Ooh, and don't forget hang-fires. Rare, but potentially catastrophic in a revolver. These are two things that could fuck up even a non-idiot's day in a combat situation.

The versatility of the revolver is laudable, and certainly makes it a stand-out choice for a survival situation for people like us… but I stand by my recommendation of a Glock for the Idiot Brigade.

>>607787

I have a black powder revolver, I'd say is pretty idiot proof. I've got a super cheap single-shot shotgun, but I might go for my semi auto shotgun instead. Kind of depends. Single shot has more versatility in ammo, but the semi auto is more reliable and has a full range of chokes.

As to rifle, I'm going to say my AR, since ammo's fairly common, capacity is good, and it's pretty easy to work with.

The BP pistols would be pretty shit for normie use, but, when you do figure out the basics, it's easy enough, and it works simply when it is loaded, so I'm thinking it'll be good enough, and I definitely want something muzzleloaded like that for easy ammo. Especially since I have a fuckton of caps for the thing, so it's literally just powder and ball I'd need.

>>607874

What does it say about me if I think that cat features on other things is cute. But I hate actual cats?