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There's no discharge in the war!

File: ac30afe1ebe3c0f⋯.jpg (116.17 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, fife and drum.jpg)

86f054  No.607108

A long time ago, drums, horns and entire bands of musicians were used as a means of communicating on the battlefield, and supposedly for boosting morale. And I have several questions regarding this.

I can see a bit of music and marching songs building some team spirit on a large scale, but would such music during a battle really inspire soldiers to fight harder, or to not run?

If so, could it still be effective today?

At what point did it become obsolete, for what reasons? Radio and artillery seem like likely suspects, but are there other reasons?

And to what degree may it have been merely a wasteful expression of vanity?

aa4850  No.607109

Tbh i would say that playing soldiers some fast rock or metal before an assault or battle could do wonders to their morale, or at least help pump them with adrenaline


b9669e  No.607110

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Have you been around a big band before playing their hearts out? It gets the blood flowing.

>for what reasons

We don't fight in formation anymore.


ac7a10  No.607113

So, take drums or horns and such. You want to make a clearly understandable order to march as a unit. Do you, a) make a recognizable pattern of flat drum hits, or b) make a recognizable short tune. It seems everyone went with b. Was it super effective for raising morale? Probably not, especially if the guy playing got shot. Did it help somewhat in an unquantifiable way? Yeah, probably.


3220fb  No.607160

First of all, I imagine a large part of music's role was simply keeping time for marching. Marching in perfect time, with everyone's foot hitting the ground at the same time, asserts discipline and order.

Secondly, walking (marching) is monotonous. Soldiers don't walk as much any more. When they were walking for hours on end, hungry and tired, minds wandering, feet sore, music kept them awake and lively. This is probably a large part of what "boosting morale" is - not necessarily building team spirit or encouraging anyone - simply keeping them awake and moving, giving them something to focus on, and just putting a little bit of jollity into a shitty situation.

Thirdly, there probably was a much stronger emotional response back then because wars actually meant something as opposed to the purely political fights we have nowadays. If you're fighting for your country's rights or independence or for a cause you truly believe in, a little tune written about it can keep that cause in the back of your mind. When you're in danger of death, or you're hungry and tired, or you just feel like you want to totally give up, that music makes you remember that you're fighting for something important and don't really WANT to give up.


aa4850  No.607161

>>607160

>back then because wars actually meant something as opposed to the purely political fights we have nowadays. If you're fighting for your country's rights or independence or for a cause you truly believe in

Quintessentially american history knowledge my friend


44317c  No.607173

Heard the brits did rock some tune when they were charging in the 'stan.

The lost of music is very deary miss tbh, nowadays battles are just about fucking money.


29569a  No.607177

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>>607161

Well the main Polish contribution to military music is the march we used when we hanged people.


ed69b7  No.607239

File: f8442b0c7078775⋯.gif (800.58 KB, 250x195, 50:39, wasbinichsehend.gif)

The Enemy can hear you when you play loud music. Marching songs are good when you are marching far away from the enemy position, they are fun and make the marching more fun. Singing in enemy territory however is 89iq

>>607177

>polish contribution

>to anything but a clean toilet


aa4850  No.607240

>>607177

>Fredric Chopin

He was french tho


34a1c7  No.607242

File: 3b4bb15b7e00979⋯.jpg (123.7 KB, 900x900, 1:1, poo-poo-pee-pee-guro_o_468….jpg)

>>607110

lol u r an negro

>>607108

hergen bergen durgen

>"Noble and manly music invigorates the spirit, strengthens the wavering man, and incites him to great and worthy deeds."

—Homer


34a1c7  No.607243

File: a3d64b94ddf3fd8⋯.jpg (917 KB, 2405x917, 2405:917, turk_on_degeneracy.jpg)

>>607239

heh

Just so you know, Der Untermensch was not anti-Slav, merely anti-Bolshevik.

>>607240

>the fucking polack doesn't know

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frédéric_Chopin

>Chopin was born Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin in the Duchy of Warsaw and grew up in Warsaw, which in 1815 became part of Congress Poland.

>>607161

>>607160

niggers

you goyim might not like this truth, but modern military marches started with the Ottomans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_military_band


aa23d3  No.607245

>>607243

>Fryderyk's father, Nicolas Chopin, was a Frenchman from Lorraine who had emigrated to Poland in 1787 at the age of sixteen.[6] Nicolas tutored children of the Polish aristocracy, and in 1806 married Justyna Krzyżanowska,[7] a poor relative of the Skarbeks, one of the families for whom he worked.[8]

He was a mutt.


aae538  No.607250

>>607239

>89iq

So it's true what they say about 8chan and kaycea overlap?


aa23d3  No.607254

File: c577418011384a8⋯.png (23.52 KB, 657x527, 657:527, 1536423958627-3.png)

>>607250

/k/ has flags and the least retarded userbase on hatechan so it isn't surprising there is quite a bit of overlap with kaycee. kohl is fast and shit, ernst is slow but high quality. I think ylilauta is still running a board for the kc rapefugees too.

t. knower


aa4850  No.607258

File: 8893fc7389af728⋯.jpg (177.03 KB, 1200x833, 1200:833, 1534966403287-0.jpg)

>>607250

First and foremost im a Bernd


d4e0e2  No.607376

Because the guy with the drum is a really obvious target in the middle of a battle, and the time gap between "rifling made the drummer easy to kill" and "pre-recorded music was a thing and robust enough to take into combat" killed off the notion of music and battle going together.


2b2bca  No.607523

>>607376

Nigger, we have speakers now.

Put speakers on tank or vehicles.

Spread it all around.


d4e0e2  No.607525

>>607523

>At what point did it become obsolete, for what reasons?

I was replying to this section of the OP; I suppose I should have quoted it.


f0f113  No.607535

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>At what point did it become obsolete

When they invented radios.

>for what reasons?

Radios. Also nobody fights wars primarily with bayonets anymore. Also not to draw attention. Also because marching band members are more useful as soldiers because those fuckers are absurdly fit.


3b20ae  No.607698

>>607108

Music used as a way to raise morale during battle? No, at least not by the military. Or at least not in conventional warfare.

During the clashes at Mier City during the infamous Gulf Cartel-Zetas Split, Zetas were reportedly blasting their narcocorridos through the speakers of their trucks during the gunfights. So when the Mexican Marines were patrolling the turf after the government reinforcements arrived, they started to raise the volume of their stereos to make know to the sicarios they were approaching. Yes it was a retarded idea but that was their approach to psyops




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