/k/ - Weapons

Autism.

>>606645

>QTDDTOT

>Is it a safety thing? Longevity?

Preformance.

RPD ROF: ~675 rpm.

MG42 ROF: ~1,200 rpm.

>>606648

But the MG 42 is by far the less reliable and sturdy of the two guns. Rate of fire has nothing to do with performance. What are you trying to say, exactly?

>>606649

>jam-o-matic RPD is more reliable than the MG42 which is still being used in 7.62 NATO

That is some aggressive bait right there.

I think it boiled down to philosophy of design. The MG42 was expected to have a longer service life and expected to be cared for by more competent crews.

>>606653

>modernised MG3 is identical to wartime production MG 42 that was designed to be as cheap as possible even if it meant it was worse than the MG 34 (it was), and had well-known problems with parts breakages and failures

What did he mean by this?

>>606677 (checked)

/thread

>>606680

Holy mother of strawmen, Batman. Who are you even talking about? Could you be maybe just a tiny bit less autistic and try to not view words you read online as a personal attack? I'm going off the non-idealised reputation of the gun that comes from people who have experience with it. I'm not even sure what your post is supposed to be implying except for really irrational anger.

>>606674

eternal reminder that germany had an income tax of only 14% max on last-ditch war economy

>>606645

It's an autism thing

>>606685

Holy shit I pay more income tax than that and my country is a shit hole

>>606685

Can I get a source? Not doubting, but I want to be able to spread this info reliably.

>>606695

the number is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany and http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capitalisback/CountryData/Germany/Other/Pre1950Series/RefsHistoricalGermanAccounts/Lindholm47.pdf, but you made me dig a bit more. people claim everything from 9% to 95%. i honestly don't fucking know what their tax rate was because literally no sources corroborate. not on just that, but also on what portion of the GDP was what when. it's maddening.

>>606682

Retards like you who go around spreading bullshit that they heard by "people who have experience with it" are always lying sacks of shit. Just admit that you're just a retard who believes crap he watches on youtube and then stop posting.

A retard who calls the MG-34 superior and the MG42 unreliable is in no position to call me autistic. The 34 was prone to jamming and dirt/dust made it even more prone to failures. The entire point of the 42 was to fix those problems while simultaneously make the production costs cheaper.

>>606649

>the suppression gun that suppresses less effectively is better

Gay thread

>>606708

Never said that. You're putting words in my mouth.

>>607050

It's more efficient to pin the enemy, MG3 would only be more successful in civil war, terrorism, and hit and run actions.

>>607077

No. It is far more efficient to kill the enemy at range, and use rifles to do the mopping up as you move through their position. If you are concerned with ammunition because they knew you were coming and are crawling or something, then you must fire in small bursts. Slow automatic is wasteful of the element of surprise, and creates no shock when fire is recieved. Fast automatic is best for longer distances and open spaces, also when there is channelling of movement. If you are firing fullauto whether it is short or long burst, high rate of fire is best, otherwise you use single shots or different weapons like a mortar.

>>607081

>otherwise you use single shots or different weapons like a mortar.

Or an automatic grenade launcher like the AGS-30. If the MG3 can wipe out a whole squad in a single burst, then that will slaughter a whole platoon. Or if some of them survives you can pin them down with aimed shots and aim the AGL to hit behind the cover.

>>606645

Germans are cattle that spend 99% of their time trying to look busy and blaming other people for their mistakes.

They think that if they make things complicated enough, nobody can tell when they fuck up. Case in point: SAP

>>607082

Thank you Magyar friend. Yes, different tools for different roles. If they are too close for heavy weapons, then best to kill them with smallarms, instead of making them hide.

If the Canadian wants to pin the enemy, best to do it with artillery airbursts.

>>607081

"Slow" is relative, a semi auto rifle can fire about 100-200rpm, with the finger getting mighty tired after awhile. A 300rpm machine gun is already beyond that ability, and a 500rpm machine gun fire sounds fairly terrifying. At 1200rpm you're at the point where you're wasting ammunition and completely useless in any kind of regular combat, where the enemy already knows your fucking position so you can't surprise him and "wipe out a whole squad".

Go here

http://onlinetonegenerator.com/

Select SQUARE

Semi auto = 2hz

Suppression = 5hz

Anti aircraft = 8hz

"Accuracy by volume" bs = 15

Full retard = 20hz ←— there is no fucking need for this, it doesn't even sound like a threat it sounds like a joke

I'd rather have a gun shooting at 300rpm with my belt lasting four times longer than your belt, giving my grenadier team time to get into position and smoke you with HE, the only real killer in war.

>>607086

>t. Canadian who has never done it for real

1000rpm and more is killing bursts, as I said. In regular combat, unless you are an imbecile, the enemy will only know that you are somewhere, and well before you come in grenade range of any type, you have been killed with mortar fire and artillery if I am in defence.

The MG is FPF on the flank, and yes, it wipes out whole squads because you do not open fire with MG until ordered, unless you are an undisciplined Canadian, clearly.

Clearly, you have never been a machinegunner and are just regurgitating something you read somewhere.

>>607086

Leave the shitposting to the Australians, at least they're amusing.

>>607089

>>607090

Grenade = agl, rifle grande, and shoulder mounted. Mortar fire is good too. Direct fire is for pinning down, indirect is for killing.

>t. Canadian who has never done it for real

Pretty clear why germans and americans keep losing wars.

>>607093

Suppressive fire is used when killing is not an immediate possibility, you shitbrained retard.

>>607050

>>607093

Nice LARP, fag. I bet you're not even from a country that uses the MG3.

>>607105

>>607103

Dirty damnyankee army with their "LOL JUST SUPPRESS HIM WHILE OUR AIR FORCE IS OTW" cowardice, wasting thousands of dollars in bullets and then wasting millions in bombs just to kill some sandniggers in the mountains, wasting billions in taxes stolen from occupied Confederate territory. You fucking yankees have always been shit at war; when you came down to rape the south in your war of aggression, a bunch of "redneck sister-fucking racists" murdered half a million of you fags with spears and bowie knives. Andersonville 2.0 soon, all carpetbaggers will be deported into the sea. What are you going to do when the boys in grey come marching into your town with duel shoulder-mounted gatling guns, and your meme fire won't do shit because they're fearless and hopped up on military meth?

>>607107

<THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN

Nah, they're too busy doing meth and fucking niggers.

>>607107

You don't need an air force to hit someone with indirect fire…

>>607128

Shut up leaf

>>607145

>>607159

>Filthy n*wworlders calling each other mutts

Lmao

>>607162

whiter than you mohhammed

>>607164

Shut up leaf

>>607176

whiter than you trayqwanjejuan mcgregor

>>607128

Shame you barely have one anyway

>>607197

Shut up leaf

>>607215

>>607219

>>607220

LAAAAAAARD

>>607252

Shut up leaf

>>607085

What I wanted to say is that an AGL can do the work of a GPMG a lot better and also works as an acceptable mortar, all without being that much heavier than a GPMG on a tripod.

>>607093

You know how the French dealt with a German machine gun position in 1918? They had a squad with a few Chauchat automatic rifles suppressing it with continous fire, and then an other squad with VB rifle grenades destroyed it. The Chauchat had a RoF of 240 rounds/minute and was fed from 20 round magazines, yet that was enough against an MG08. And the VB rifle grenade is a relatively small explosive, at least compared to a modern HEDP rifle grenade. The same tactic with modern weapons would require a single squad, as one grenadier could destroy the MG position with a single shot.

>>607281

>>607281

>all without being that much heavier than a GPMG on a tripod.

#notall

Ags30 is half the weight of Mk19, grenade launchers are very different. I think a caseless 30mm with 30rd poly mags would be the best.

>>607252

Shut up leaf

>>607107

Confederate poasting is now a thing, and I want more of it. Please keep sperging, anon.

>>606677

so it changes somethings but doesn't require a level of complexity near that, the pkm is in 7.62x54r and it isn't as complicated as the mg42/mg3

>>607375

>I don't why anybody wastes their time with anything that isn't a rotating bolt. Everything else sucks shit in comparison.

Because those require complex machining operations with an end mill and a lathe. Roller locking or delaying systems only require a saw for new rollers and an end mill for the most basic bolt bodies.

Not everyone had access to advanced machine shops and qualified machinists in 1940.

>>607385

Thats the a fucking bolt from a Lewis gun. Made 30 years prior and uses a rotating bolt with no kraut volks voodoo involved. A piss easy design you can make with harbor freight mini mill.

>>607392

>harbor freight mini mill.

Its like you want everything to be out of spec

>>606645

To answer you OP, the Germans are very bad at engineering, they underengineer one part then overengineer another part to make up for the shortcoming of another.

Rinse and repeat and you end up with a german system. Compare that to something Swiss or Austrians where they make everything to do exactly what they're supposed to do and you'll realize, the Germans were always untermensh and Nietzsche was right about them since they were too stupid to understand what he wrote about them.

>>607394

>implying there are any schools left with a shop class because leftist administrators think they are "too expensive and not practical".

>>607396

I'd rather have something overengineered and mass producible than hand fitted clockwork. That whole interchangeability thing is pretty nice.

>>607403

>Overengineered and Mass Producible

Not really a thing, the swiss regular goods aren't hand fitted clockwork, they just work well at what they're supposed to do, like their rifles or handguns.

And Austrians, I think we all know about Glock and Steyr.

Come on man, atleast remember what the places I mention produce.

>>607405

The SIG rifles I've played with are plagued with spring and firing pin problems. Dunno why they'd throw the recoil spring around the op rod. In regards to Steyr they've only in recent time produced something that isn't as anal as the M95 or the number of pistols that never went anywhere. Glock is a relatively new thing in the annals of history.

And that's why the MG-42 was relegated to the museums post-war, while the RPD has never been replaced.

This thread is /int/-tier.

>>607394

>you use a dividing head to do the camming surface on a mill and you're done

Is there a video tutorial for making such surfaces?

>>607469

>Is there a video tutorial for making such surfaces?

sure, it's called helical machining.

>>607438

>>607502

>I don't understand sarcasm

>>607510

>not seeing the obvious aussie shitposting

I swear it's getting more and more autistic in here.

Though I think OP should've used the DShK instead to be honest.

>>607511

Tbh, the DShK (not DshKM) is remarkable in being just as reliable firing upside-down as the right way up.

>>607400

From what I've gathered the demise of shop class has more to do with liability than anything. So, blame the Jews (in this case under the guise of ambulance chasing lawyers looking to get some of that fat tax payer money from the schools.)

>>607530

The fuck is wrong with you? You don't use ECM for simple shit like that, just do what stoner made the damned AR-18 for, cast the stupid things.

If you aren't satisfied with the strength of cast steel (which really should be enough) then just machine it, it isn't hard.

>>607540

They aren't really made to do anything strenuous with, go with grizzly or little machine shop and buy something with an R8 taper.

Use an R8 to ER32 or ER40 collet set and buy endmills for those and you should be all set really.

Push comes to shove you can cast your own mill or lathe out of old metal and just use rods or steel plate for ways (steel plate you would have to take a chisel and file to but rods you'd have to make brass bushings for to not lose as much accuracy over time).

>>607546

That's very Ukrainian of you.

Jokes aside, you'd probably enjoy Gingery's machine shop from scratch book series.

>>607548

>Now for rotating bolts, would it be easier just to stick with two lugs, or go with four in the shape of a slightly rounded square?

A Square or Triangle, either would do fine.

>>607546

Why do you describe my life?

>>607560

Ain't that the truth. It is nice to go to a place where you're a more of a curiosity than a shunned man. Sometimes you get free drinks for the oddball stories of what happens in the zone.

>>607569

I'm out of bumfuck montana originally, where I'm at now I call the zone for the absurdity of what goes on, the only thing that is really missing is actual anomalies and artifacts. Its a place for people who don't really belong elsewhere and like 100+ miles of nobody around them.

>>607549

Does anyone have PDFs of Gingery's books?

>>607737

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:03577c32baa63b6d09d07b959e0c5e07cc018e65&dn=Build+your+own+metalworking+shop+from+scrap+-+Dave+Gingery&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.zer0day.to%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969

Some pages in some of the books are screwed however.

>>607957

From what I can tell yes. I've only had the pleasure of dealing with the taig bastard twice, the last time it ended up turning into a shouting match of slurs before disengagement.

>>607396

>Germans are retarded, just compare their engineering to other Germans or even other Germans

You arent very bright are you?

>>608122

>Glock is the same thing as HK

Where exactly did I say this?

>Swiss are not Germans

The Swiss people were a Germanic tribe and a part of Germany for the bigger part of their history. They even still speak German you absolute retard. While parts of modern day Switzerland are made up of French and Italians, the vast majority is still German.

>American making fun of other countries education

Oh sorry I see now that this must be bait

>>608130

>The Swiss people were a Germanic tribe

They aren't you retard, it goes all the way back to Rome, there's barely any true "swiss" people.

>they still speak german

they speak ACTUAL German not just regular "german" but so did most of that area of Europe.

>the vast majority is still German

Incorrect, as a matter of fact Switzerland is literally a country of immigrants.

but also >>608121

>calling Austrians German

They hated it before the German people's unification and they still hate it today

>>608130

>th-th-the sun hasn't set

Either post your guns or go back to /intl/.

>>608133

>The Swiss are actually Romans but really they are real Germans who speak real German more than other Germans but actually they are all immigrants so maybe they are actually all Spanish or Russian who knows

Do you mind actually sticking to something? Fact is that the biggest part of Switzerland was and still is made up of ancestors of Germanic tribes and that Switzerland was a part of Germany for the bigger part of its existence

>They hated it before the German people's unification and they still hate it today

You are either completely retarded and have no knowledge of history whatsoever or you obviously hate Germans. My guess is number 2, tell your coworkers in Tel Aviv I said hi.

>>608134

Oh no Britain is going to shit but the USA is going down even faster. Tell me again when you intend to actually use your guns to defend your rights.

>>608141

> Fact is that the biggest part of Switzerland was and still is made up of ancestors of Germanic tribes

It isn't, it's people from all over the place, 40% of Switzerland is made up from people outside of the country, Russian, Other Slavs, Turks, mutts, etc.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>You are either completely retarded and have no knowledge of history whatsoever or you obviously hate Germans.

I'm telling you how it is, these countries HATE Germans, and always have.

>>608141

>y-you haven't had a civil war yet therefore you're a cuck

>he says while having no legally protected human rights

>implying owning a weapon means you're going to war, and there is no other reason or contingency for owning weapons

That's your way of rationalising your situation, by making false dichotomies? Is this D&C? Seriously, why are you on this board?

>>608143

>Switzerland is being overrun by Immigrants like every other country in Europe that means it has always been like this

Yeah I remember way back when in 1267 under the French King Jamal Tyrone III. when all those Arabs and Russians came out of France and created the country of Switzerland, after which they joined Germany under Emperor Abdul Muhallabad because they were such similar people.

>I'm telling you how it is, these countries HATE Germans, and always have.

>Austrians hate Germans now thanks to our decades long brainwashing so that means they always did, remember kids History does not exist and we were always at war with Eastasia

You dont know a thing about history, or rather you do know but really badly try to rewrite it. By the way even if your idiotic claim that Austrians always hated Germans was true that wouldnt change the fact that they are themselves Germans you absolute retard.

>>608146

>American doesnt know anything about European history while simultaneously complaining about the education of other countries

>gets called out on it

>b-bu-bu-but you dont have guns

>I dont even need to use them because there is nothing wrong with my country being below 50% white soon

>see I can go hunting with my Son Tyrone

>stop making fun of me that is D&C

a live and real amerimutt we got here.

>>608151

>Swiss is overrun by Immigrants is the same as the Swiss being a country of Immigrants

>Immigrant somehow means from the third world

You're an absolute retard that has the BBC up jammed far up your ass because unlike the UK the Swiss actually HAVE requirements to get into the country (I know something Foreign to you), and they make sure to make it extra difficult for Germans because all they do is act like Mexicans in the country and drop the value of wages.

>Austrians hate Germans because Brainwashing

>Somehow I'm trying to rewrite History

No you dumbass, Even Bavaria hated the concept of a unified German people, because they were a confederacy for a long ass time and wanted to keep their own Identity rather than be part of this Amorphous blob of a nation.

They have always hated Germans which is why there were the Prussian-Austrian War.

You're really stretching your neck out to suck German cock yet you don't know the history you're talking about.

>>608151

Keep projecting, it's funny.

>>608152

>Immigrants from places other than the middle east are ok, it doesnt matter if your people are being replaced as long as they arent being replaced by Arabs.

No you still have Immigrant cock up your ass Shlomo

>The Prussian-Austrian War was fought because Austrians didnt want anything to do with Germans

>The war between Prussia and Austria which is literally called the German war because both sides acknowledged that the outcome of this war would decide which of the two German Powers would control all of Germany

>While the entire conflict between those nations is called German dualism

>In which Austria was a part of the German Confederation

>was fought because Austria hated Germans

If you want to rewrite history start with something more believable Shlomo, anyone can easily look this up, shit its even on kikepedia. But I guess there isnt much you can do about it, coming up with something ridiculous enough to make this believable is impossible but you still gotta argue for it or you wont get your shekels at the end of the day, and you cant stop answering either for the same reason. Tough live Shlomo.

>>608157

>Germanic peoples somehow means German

Oh you're oversimplifying it with your monkey brain, I should've never gotten into anything with you since you're probably some southern poof who likes German cock up his ass.

>oy vey he outed me as a jew out of honesty not out of hyperbole

>>Immigrants from places other than the middle east are ok, it doesnt matter if your people are being replaced as long as they arent being replaced by Arabs.

Switzerland was never a place of "Race" it was always started as a place of Ideals. Hence why they have 4 official languages.

But to say they don't hate Germans from Germany (which was the point I was making) because Prussian/Germans are untermensh and IGNORE that is the biggest cuckery I've ever seen.

Enjoy your rape gangs if you can mentally comprehend anything.

>>608161

>Germanic peoples somehow means German

>Which is why in German, you know, the way that the Austrians themselves say it, it is called Deutscher Krieg and Deutscher Dualismus instead of Germanic war and Germanic Dualism.

do you get Shekels by wordcount? Do you get a bonus for redditspacing?

>Switzerland was never a place of "Race" it was always started as a place of Ideals. Hence why they have 4 official languages.

I hope you do know that Switzerland and the Swiss existed before the modern version of Switzerland right? Of course you dont, that isnt a needed part of your training is it Shlomo?

>Prussian/Germans

look at you, you are learning that you have to specify because Austrians and Swiss are also German. Maybe someday you will have a basic understanding of history.

>>608163

>I hope you do know that Switzerland and the Swiss existed before the modern version of Switzerland right?

>being this much of a retard

>not understanding what the Hellenic Confederacy was

If it were just based on the "Swiss Race" they would've never asked the Italians to dig a tunnel for them, or accept the Scottish who left on their own accord, or any of this shit.

It's either you're pretending to be retarded or you actually are.

Switzerland is a hotbed region shared by germanics, celt and meds.

They are not a land for arabs, asians, niggers and other deformities.

>>608172

And slavs, but no shit.

>>608179

Slavs ain't native to that region.

>>608180

They make up a decent amount of the population now and ever since the creation of the Soviet Union

>>608187

Goddamn fucking communists.

>>608187

>>608193

Also, THIS is why you should be wary of immigration, when "minorities" form, it's over.

>>608195

You aren't allowed to be a "Minority" you either act Swiss or you get kicked out

>>608209

That's not for you to say, and being swiss means you should be med/celt/german, not everyone can be swiss.

>>608214

it's not for you to say who's swiss or not, but the people of the village they get to move to.

You don't get to move in with people from the same country, you are forced to integrate and if you want to stay, you need permission from the people living there. If you don't cut it and don't integrate, you get kicked out.

>>608216

That's bullshit and you know it's bullshit.

Until the government is strict and truly believe in racial idealism, the mudskins are staying and you are racist for thinking otherwise.

>>608216

Don't give him (you)s, he's the same faggot who used to LARP as a German.

>>608253

That wasn't me tho.

>>608122

You know that there is such a thing as German culture, right?

Austria, Germany, parts of the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland and Luxembourg, all have not only German speaking populations, but have also been heavily influenced by German culture.

Saying that a third of Switzerland is German isn't wrong. Saying that a third of it is French isn't wrong either. Saying that the Swiss aren't a unique mix of German, Italian and French influences is wrong.

>>607083

you create tools and machines to do the hard work for you, which thus implies that they wont have to work as long, I wouldn't do shit either if there was machine to do my job and they still made me do manual labor

>>607083

>SAP

Even the arms is infested with it nowadays. Nobody likes it, but it isn't broken enough to throw it out the window. We are just stuck with it.

Nuke Berlin pls.

>>608133

>They hated it before the German people's unification and they still hate it today

Bold lie.

>>606649

>Rate of fire has nothing to do with performance.

wrong. rate of fire, accuracy, precision, effective range, and stopping power are measures of firearm performance. reliability is not performance.

ferraris are high performance. ferraris are low reliability.

>>608267

>rate of fire is performance

>not a deliberately chosen, intended preference of the design

You do know you're retarded, yes? An automatic shotgun firing at 1200 RPM is a far worse weapon in every respect than one that has a cyclic rate of 300. The higher rate of fire doesn't make the 1200 RPM action "better performing", and that would never be true for the MG 42 or a MAC-10 or anything else. And how is reliability not a measure of performance? It's the direct result of a machine or tool's production quality, integrity of design, and working tolerances. That's literally what performing is; how well something works.

>Ferraris are high performance

Oh, never mind, you must know you're retarded. I bet you enjoy Kimbers and Apple products too.

>>608267

>reliability is not performance

So that's why the military doesn't take reliability into account when selecting weapons platforms, right?