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>>603091

>Is the Occupation of Afghan America's Opium war?

The Eternal Anglo managed to turn a gigantic civilization into his plaything after a short war that was more like a demonstration of firepower than anything else. You burgers have been pretending to fight in those barren mountains for more than a decade, and it achieved nearly nothing, other than making the CIA rich. No, they aren't similar at all.

>Were the sacrifices of the Americans in the Pacific war invalidated when America allowed the communist to take over china and 2/3s of Korea?

Honestly, the Japanese Empire's war seem to be a completely different war that just happened around the same time there was a war on the other side of Eurasia. Therefore it shouldn't be watched as just an other front of ww2, but in a context of its own. A war between Japan and the USA has been in the making since the Russo-Japanese war, but remember that originally the attack on Pearl Harbor was just one part of their push for the Pacific, and even the push for the Pacific was just a new "phase" of their conquests. The "first phase" was Korea, and the "second phase" was China. Of course they started the "third phase" even before they finished the "second phase". The war in Europe was a perfect opportunity for that, and the USA also provoked them into an attack.

Now, we can start arguing if it was just of them to start building the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, but history is about strength and willpower, not justice.

>Why didn't the State department allow the soviets to occupy Japan the way they sold out China to the communist by pulling the rug of support from under the feet of the nationalist?

Because there wasn't a strong communist movement that the commies in the State Department could have used for this purpose, and it would have been beyond them to tell the armed forces not to occupy Japan but instead let the soviets roll in. After all it wasn't an option in Europe either.

>>603097

/thread

>>603097

Would the military listen to the state department if if ordered them to stand down?

>>603097

>but history is about strength and willpower, not justice.

Not entirely true you know. The First Crusade, for example, although "justice" is an odd way of putting it.

Also, you're simplifying the situation in regards to the Opium War. The Qing Dynasty was in decline.

Otherwise, good post.

>>603091

were the niggers part of that picture originally or were they added by somebody else?

>>603126

Politicians like to pretend they can push the military around but at the end of the day they know the military holds the only form of power than matters and it's best to keep them on side.

>>603091

>Were the sacrifices of the Americans in the Pacific war invalidated when America allowed the communist to take over china and 2/3s of Korea?

Yes because we occupied Japan, which was a very rich industrial areas. The areas occupied at that time were considered to be at the time backwater shitholes.

>>603126

No because it’s the military that controls the gov, not the other way around. If the military doesn’t like what the government is doing all they have to do is a coup, which is very easy for the military to do.

>>603172

Starting a coup isn't easy even for the military. You need to convince every military branch to help support you or you just start a civil war and everything turns to shit.

Remember you have a military in the US full of spics, niggers and dykes. There's not a single good place for them in a healthy society, they're the scum at the bottom of the barrel. You have to convince these people that it's in their interest to throw out a government 100% on their side to put them at the bottom of the barrel.

>>603205

All you need to do is assassinate commanders who disagree with the coup. It’s fine if individual soldiers disagree with the coup they will still partake in it because the rest of there division is. Also you don’t need branches that are in oversees military bases. (Which is a very large chunk of the American military) The reason why America hasn’t had a coup in our history is because our generals are politically aligned with our government. If a Fascist or Commie was president elected there’d be a coup in hours of the election. They wouldn’t even wait until inauguration.

>>603215

If you haven't noticed you have a commie as president and had a nigger commie.

You underestimate how important logistics is and how difficult it is to convince people living comfortable lives to start a civil war where their families live.

>>603172

>it’s the military that controls the gov

You might've been right in the 1800's. Nowadays the military is just a mindless puppet, ironically it's a political tool first and foremost. You think that the legit military decision makers wanted women or trannies? For fucks sake the military doesn't even decide on what MREs it gets anymore.

>>603126

the military does not answer directly or at any point in its chain of command, to the state department,

>>603172

Nowadays military is all bugmen bureaucrat shit man, even famed men like Mattis turns out to be just another bureaucrat.

The admin is smart about this, any ambitious person is to be demoted as soon as he gets to be colonel.

>>603091

No. It's much much worse. The (((British))) Opium trade did not require a heavily militarized greater albanistan to work.

>>603292

>succesfully invaded and occupied

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1842_retreat_from_Kabul

The entire brit occupation was a clusture fuck of a failure same as ours

>>603295

The 2nd war gave us control over the ruling government and moved the borders in our favour, creating the wanted buffer zone, which I count as successful tbh, at least more successful then the 2001-till now invasion (which we also took part in)

>>603297

>remember goys, whites are nothing without us jews! fuck your achievements, that's all us!

>>603097

why exactly wasnt it an option to immediately declare war on russia? or at the very least prevent them from taking over half of germany and all of china

>>603308

>the Bank of England is controlled by the English

>the Rothschild barons are English

>D'Israeli was English

I mean, come on Perfidious Albion.

>>603216

Obama wasn’t a commie, most business activities here are done by private companies, Obama didn’t nationalize shit. All he did is slightly raise taxes and regulation. That isn’t communism. That’s just the center left.

>>603311

Read "None Dare Call it Treason"

>>603311

Because they had a larger army than us, they would beat us.

>>603335

Excuse my spelling, I typed too fast without checking for errors

>>603333

You have no idea what a "force multiplier" is do you?

>>603335

Can confirm. WW2 history is a hobby of mine. Some other problems with the WW2 Russian military I might add:

- Just before WW2 they executed almost all top commanders. This means there was a huge lack of experienced commanders at the top levels so nearly no one knew how to plan strategy well. The top commanders were totally green with almost no experienced knowledgebase to draw on.

- Troops were forced to be in the military, trained quickly, given sub-par weapons and tools (and food), and had frequent problems of resupply due to the inefficient Communist gov't. Voluntary troops almost always work better than conscripts, better training is a force multiplier as is good weapons, and a well-fed military.

- Inexperienced commanders and other line officers (at the front) meant they often threw manpower at the enemy with no cohesive long-term plan in mind, thus wasting a lot of lives.

- The average Soviet soldier was tough and creative in solving problems, but was severely hampered by the Communist gov't incompetence and waste. This is typical of almost all Communist countries in the past and present.

>>603333

We has nukes a fresh military a country untoched by war the largest industry in the entire world and the lergest navy in the world. They would have been ass raped to death

>>603380

Ehrenburg truly was a funny fag, but I cannot google that in russcuck language. What's the source?

>>603384

The book quoted is "Hrust dla zniszczenia europy"

Which might be a weird translation or a fabrication to make the threat seem more clearer, but digging deeper I found even worse shit he's done and the poster "quote" is not only well in line with his life, but also toned down compared to his anti-german propaganda.

(((rape german women before german soldiers rape you!)))

>kike projection of ebil gnatzees enslaving subhuman Russians and Ukrainians, murder them all goyim, especially german women and children!

in Krasnaya Zviezda from july 24th 1942

>Inventor of Jew-made soap myth

>As a Jew and a dedicated Communist, Ehrenburg was a relentless enemy of German National Socialism. During the Second World War, he was a leading member of the Soviet-sponsored Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee. (At fund-raising rallies in the United States for the Soviet war effort, two leading members of the Committee displayed bars of soap allegedly manufactured by the Germans from the corpses of murdered Jews.)

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html

>>603333

We had,

Fresh troops

Air superiority

Naval superiority

The capability to build atomic bombs

Better aircraft

The Soviets had exhausted themselves to defeat Germany. If the US and Britain had wanted to finish off the USSR they very well could have. Patton wanted to do it, that’s why he had to be taken out.

>>603458

The fact Patton was immediately killed off as soon as the war is over means there's huge fuckery abound.

>>603377

>Natural rubber 100%

>Paper 50%

>meat 33%

>aircraft fuel 37%

Jesus fucking christ how many bolsheviks did we have embedded in our government.

>>603470

But remember that Germany would have had no chance against the USSR anyway, even without the USA and the British Empire supplying them!

>>603485

no.

>>603320

Strelok you should know that nationalizing shit was the old commie plan that isn't used anymore, because it failed to attract the people's support in the western world.

Today's commies try to force everyone to become dependent on the state to archive their dream of a collective government.

You should also know that most commies aren't actually members of the working class, but self righteous pricks from upper class academia.

>That’s just the center left.

Center left is just another name for cultural marxism.

>>603460

>>603458

Patton was a massive retard. Soviets had enough army divisions to conquer Europe and America and probably Africa as well. Their problem wasn't combat power, their problem was supply lines, which stretched only enough to take half of Germany. But if we tried to fight them on their own land, their supply lines wouldn't even need to exist, they could just build factories directly in sieged cities like they did Stalingrad.

He was murdered however. Spinal fracture wouldn't cause his atrial ventricle to fail, or his lungs to build up in fluid. It just doesn't happen.

>>603396

The only similar book of him is "Трест «Д. Е.» История гибели Европы":

https://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/90440/Erenburg_-_Trest_D.E._Istoriya_gibeli_Evropy.html

Searching "Moloch" (Молох) results in zero matches, searching root of the word "desert" (пустын-) gives 50 matches and none of them is correct. I suspect this fake was inspired by reading one on the muh evil American characters from this book saying "Европа утопает в пороках, лени и смутах. Если мы обратим ее в пустыню, это будет актом высокого человеколюбия".

>>603517

That seems the most plausible.

>>603515

>Patton was a massive retard.

get raked

>>603531

Canadians are always insufferable contrarian faggots

>>603151

They were photo shopped onto a white male, and Asian female couple.

>>603553

No we aren't.

>>603515

Yeah no, USSR is gonna sue for peace if Patton and Churchill decides to go at it again.

You still have like 1/3 of the Heer on the western side who surrenders and can quickly be re-organized into fighting Soviet right away.

US high command is a cuck and decides to pussy out.

>>603638

The faggots who live in the cities are. Oh Sodom and Gomorrah how I won't miss you when you've turned to ash so fine folk will think its snowing in September.

>>603640

>germans send 1/3 troops to western front

>all combined power of the west can't break through it

>germans send 2/3 of troops to eastern front to invade russia

>they get turned into hamburger helper

>1/3 of german troops in western front surrender

because 2/3rd of their army just got turned into hamburger helper

>same soviet divisions that just wrecked the german army get reinforced

>roll up to western front

>HUUUR THE 1/3 REMAINING GERMANS CAN SUCCESSFULLY REINVADE RUSSIA

>>603648

The remaining German army, as well as the US army, the brits army and what's left of the french and the polish army.

In the east, the japanese, the chink (under KMT) and the australian can also be rallied.

A two prong attack would be the death kneel of the Soviet.

Not to mention, atomic bomb.

>>603649

If the .33 of the German army was successfully holding them back, then all of those others are worth less than .33 of the german army. In fact as they've made no headway until soviets started bashing the eastern front apart, its SIGNIFICANTLY less.

And since the soviet army just waltzed through .66 of a german army, and then got reinforced as well they're worth .7 of a german army at least.

Ergo by the end of it you're putting together maybe .4 of a German army against .7 of a german army.

This isn't rocket science.

>In the east, the japanese, the chink (under KMT) and the australian can also be rallied.

Jesus christ throw the eskimos and the niggers in too, make it a four prong attack, it won't make a difference.

If you nuke the top 10 soviet cities, you might win. But if that happened every russian squad would be carving out a fiefdom for themselves in europe, ergo to actually conquer soviet union you'd have to waltz through thousands of King Yuri's and about a hundred thousand Knight Ivans and his eleventy rape babies just to secure the land.

>>603652

>If the .33 of the German army was successfully holding them back, then all of those others are worth less than .33 of the german army. In fact as they've made no headway until soviets started bashing the eastern front apart, its SIGNIFICANTLY less.

The reason why the german lost is due to logistics. With the supplied logistics from the anglo countries and their home front not being bombed, they are unstoppable.

>Ergo by the end of it you're putting together maybe .4 of a German army against .7 of a german army.

The US army dwarfs the heer.

>Jesus christ throw the eskimos and the niggers in too, make it a four prong attack, it won't make a difference.

Are you dumb? Are you tactically inept?

A two prong attack is basically 2x the amount of average soldier to hold.

>If you nuke the top 10 soviet cities, you might win. But if that happened every russian squad would be carving out a fiefdom for themselves in europe

If that happens, it would be easier to dealt with, the threat of the ruskies is unison, without it, they are basically harmless robbers.

>>603656

>A two prong attack is basically requiring 2x the amount of average soldier to hold*

>>603652

When you start dropping nukes people don't start trying to build fiefdoms, they bend over and ask if you want strawberry or bubblegum flavour lube.

The JewSA was in league with the communists and considered them allies to destroy the national socialists. At no point would Jews go to war with other Jews when there was a treat answer to the JQ running around and being extremely popular in the world. They had to reframe the discussion and dismantle a man who had been extremely popular all across the West. Rather than start shit with each other they put up a fake hostility between commie Jews and commie Jews undercover while they build up a revisionist history based on war time propaganda. Today we still live under that same history and propaganda, that is how desperate they were to make it. You find entire networks of channels being anti-Hitler 24 hours a day 7 days a week. If it's not Ancient Aliens it's "Hitler was a bad man but made cool tanks".

There is no reason for the JewSA to go to war with any one else at that point. It would only expend their resources when they're clearly top dog. Every other country had massive rebuilding to do, from Japan to England it was all a smoking hole in the ground that needed fixing up. The USA had none of those issues so it just had to take war time production and manipulate it into consumer products. Once it did that and the 1950's greaser style came along they just dominated everything. Everyone else is half dead at that point and your biggest rival is on exactly the same political path you are (but you're keeping that under cover).

>>603660

Part of the history revisionism comes from (((Hollywood))). Documents of the era say German soldiers were worth almost two of every other soldier. On equal footing they out performed everyone in every role. They were probably the best military force in history on just pure talent. What changes this perception is the Hollywood movies that make Germans into idiots or pure evil idiots. It's very difficult to watch a motion picture and not use that visual data to influence what you're reading or writing. If all the Germans you see on TV are idiots then you embrace that idea and interject it into your historical content. It's like being hungry and seeing a hamburger commercial. You can't help but respond to what you see happening around you.

Wouldn't the soviet leadership have no qualms with throwing every last man woman and child at the Germans because they were largely Jews, and not Slavic or East European but Semitic ?

Parasites have no problem with killing the host's body,and there's no greater parasitic ideology than communism,a product of Semites to benefit Semites.

>>603672

Fucker is damn scared becayse propaganda is on maximum on how the germans are gonna kill all the slavs.

And the slavs are lucky to have some pretty good generals like Zhukov.

>>603675

>how the Germans are gonna kill all the slavs.

I'm talking about soviets needlessly sacrificing human life.

>>603677

It's in their ideology, to die for the collective.

It's still present now.

>>603660

>The Soviets got massacred, slaughtered and humiliated. That is the absolute way to describe the entirety of the Eastern Front. Nu-historians and revisionists have done their best to make it seem like the glorious strong Soviet heroes just got taken by surprise early on but soon reorganized and easily defeated the German war machine. These claims are nothing less than hilariously ridiculous and couldn't be further from the truth. Revisionists are also quick and happy to turn events where the Soviets got practically wiped out into the opposite where no really it was actually the Nazis who lost that day!!

The soviets stopped the German general offensive aimed at Moscow in 1941, stopped the German offensive aimed at Stalingrad in 1942, and crushed the German army at Kursk in 1943 and delivered the killing blow with Bagration in 1944.

There is no silver medal in war, it's the ultimate "only the results matter" contest.

At every turning point of the war on the eastern front the Soviets won and came out of the war a superpower.

At every turning point of the war on the eastern front GERMANY LOST and didn't came out of the war at all.

I find it hilarious that you say that the western allies were so much better… despite the fact that on the Western front, and on the western front only, AT EVERY TURN GERMANY WON.

Everyone fap on Normandy (where a force fighting with overwhelming numbers and completely outgunning it's adversary, with complete naval and air supremacy, got trapped for months by literal teenagers and old guys) but everyone forgets the everything the preceded it (you know the ones no one makes movie about…).

First was France and friends that got completely obliterated.

Then the Afrika "Corps" (read 2 divisions) managed to keep the most of the remaining commonwealth occupied and in fact even somehow succeeded in forcing Britain and the leftovers of France in concentrating every soldier and vehicle available of their vast Empires to defend Egypt, and then continued to be a major resource drain all the way to 1943.

And after that Italy… During which the German Army Group C delayed the allies right until the end of the war as they were still far from the Austrian border when Berlin fell despite being back-stabbed by the Italians.

>B-but the western allies won.

Did they?

They never actually managed to destroy a significant German fighting force which were almost systematically able to withdraw and regroup.

The western allies took far less casualties than the soviets in the process, sure… but so did the Germans, they never managed to actually neutralize the Germans even after their victories.

The Germans never threatened Moscow after 1941, never Stalingrad after 1942 and had lost the war after Kursk in 1943.

Those battle were extremely costly in lives but they were actual victories from which the German army simply couldn't come back from.

Meanwhile on the western front just imagine what would have happened if just 70% of the German army was occupied fighting the soviets instead of 80% at any point of time.

-The Germans would have had an extra division to give Rommel, he would have won Egypt.

-The 10th army would have had reserves in Salerno and repelled the landings.

-There would have been a bit more mobile units in Normandy meaning the German counter attacks on the beaches would have likely succeeded.

-The Germans would have managed to pierce in the Ardennes and trap most of the western allies armies.

Meanwhile Rommel's two divisions wouldn't have changed much in 1941, Stalingrad was lost because too many troops were actually sent there (and the road networks couldn't support it), if Italy had really committed + all of the army group C was available maybe Zitadell would have worked, but it was already a gambit in itself, more troops for Bagration would have maybe saved the Army Group Centre from near complete destruction, but it wouldn't have changed the battle outcome.

>>603692

Canadian and now french soviet dicksucker.

Every socialists ought to be shot.

>>603660

>Revisionists are also quick and happy to turn events where the Soviets got practically wiped out into the opposite where no really it was actually the Nazis who lost that day!!

Ha, if you obliterate your own cities to make invading force starve and freeze to death because your guys already have, you win!

>>603672

Yes, see >>603396

<“The Germans are not human beings. From now on the word German means to use the most terrible oath. From now on the word German strikes us to the quick. We shall not speak any more. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day … If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet. If there is calm on your part of the front, or if you are waiting for the fighting, kill a German in the meantime. If you leave a German alive, the German will hang a Russian and rape a Russian woman. If you kill one German, kill another – there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses. Do not count days, do not count kilometers. Count only the number of Germans killed by you. Kill the German – that is your grandmother's request. Kill the German – that is your child's prayer. Kill the German – that is your motherland's loud request. Do not miss. Do not let through. Kill.”

>Ehrenburg's incendiary writings certainly contributed in no small measure to the orgy of murder and rape by Soviet soldiers against German civilians.

It becomes surprisingly accurate if you replace "German" with "Jew", classic projection from them

>>603692

Every single thread you sally forth to slurp more russian cum

>>603710

It's always the same goddamn russian stronk myth. Stalin got the scare of his life within 39-41, and if Hitler has captured Moscow, today we could have a fucking Reich from Berlin to Siberia.

Either ways, unlike the Hitlerite, I think Hitler made grave tactical mistakes, nigger should have waited for the Soviet to strike instead of vice versa, ruskies are terrible in offense.

>>603719

>slurp more russian cum

jewish cum, there weren't really many Russians in important positions in USSR

>>603710

>He just overestimates, commies' successes in the eastern front which where essentially toned down version of Ottoman "tactics" of sending waves of poor plebs into the grinder until the enemy runs out of bullets

War isn't a fucking video game, nobody gives a fuck about kill/death ratio. It's a last man standing, winner take all contest.

Yes the German army as a whole was vastly more competent. Yes the commies were butchers and didn't gave a fuck about their soldiers lives. But it still worked.

Which is the only thing that matters.

The Germans main error was to continue to think they could win doing maneuver warfare against the Soviets in such conditions while they should have gone for what they tried in France in 1916 = manpower attrition warfare and capitalize on the fact that their soldiers, gear and tactics were so much better by making continuous operations only aimed at bleeding the communists as much as they could rather than making wild pushes to achieve political objectives.

That's the strategical error the German army committed.

Backing Italy wasn't a mistake stop pretending Greece wouldn't have sided with the British and the Serbs with Russia.

>>603737

>nobody gives a fuck about kill/death ratio. It's a last man standing, winner take all contest.

Imagine being this eternally delusional

Why is OP a dumbass?

>>603660

>Germans decide to just roll through the USSR and get surprised when they are bogged down by the winter

>and the newly mobilized soviet conscripts

>and the constant supply of Anglo-American equipment that let the soviet war machine survive

>and the soviet forces transferred from the Far East

>and the German's inability to properly supply their own troops

>and the German's decision to don't switch to a war economy until it was too late

>and the German's great idea of overburdening their already strained logsitics by not simplifying and standardizing their equipment until it was too late

>greeconigger decides it's everyone else's fault that the nazis were too confident in themselves to prepare for a war of attration

The Germans asked us to send 200 000 troops to the Eastern Front, and promised to equip them with everything they might lack. Yet they didn't help with anything, because they couldn't even supply themselves. And when these underequipped and starving soldiers were attacked by the soviets the Germans just used them to cover their asses as they were retreating. Surely, it all happened because we aren't Aryan Übermensch, and they dindu nuffin.

>>603739

It's like you're implying the Soviets didn't win and take over Eastern Europe, or that the Ottomans didn't repeatedly dominate you for centuries because they successfully zerg rushed.

How did your theory work out in the balkans buddy?

>>603752

>How did your theory work out in the balkans buddy?

Excellently, there hasn't been a single conflict against us that the Turkroaches won by themselves. Always the eternal slavtard helped them. How else do you think they didn't get wiped out in the middle east when we were km away from Ankara? Commie lovers in our nation sabotaged plans, railways and supplies while the commies in Russia supplied the turks with tons of gold and weapons. 1v1 we always fucked the Turk in the ass.

If you're "winning" due to wasting millions of your own people away then you're no better than a nigger. A Pyrrhic victory is to avoided, because if anyone feels like genociding your entire population after you "win" a war through zerg rush then they most certainly will. The Soviets were dumb lucky they didn't get invaded by the Allies because it would have been the end of them.

>>603749

Good work on over-simplifying the entire war effort and making it seem like no really, it was the Nazis who fucked up after all, we dindu nuffin!. Read some books on what the situation was like and why Hitler had no other choice but to attack when he did. And don't try to put the blame on the German supplies when you worthless coward subhumans were responsible for many of Germany's defeats.

>>603755

List all of those defeats, you Turkish rapebaby! And then go and defeat Turkey all alone without having any supplies. After all, you apparently don't need those in a war, just guts.

>>603755

>Excellently

I'm glad you enjoyed being their colony for 400 years.

>there hasn't been a single conflict against us that the Turkroaches won by themselves.

[citation needed]

>If you're "winning" due to wasting millions of your own people away then you're no better than a nigger. A Pyrrhic victory is to avoided, because if anyone feels like genociding your entire population after you "win" a war through zerg rush then they most certainly will. The Soviets were dumb lucky they didn't get invaded by the Allies because it would have been the end of them.

If a nigger killed you and raped your wife, you wouldn't be less dead and your wife wouldn't be less raped just because he was a nigger or just because his weapons were given to him by someone else.

>>603763

But if the nigger lost his dik and legs in the process, that'd be considered a Pyrrhic victory.

>>603764

But if you were to compare it with the Ottomans or Soviets it would then be an octopus nigger, because they regrew the "lost limbs" and got healthy.

>>603789

A pyrrhic victory is winning a battle losing so many troops that you end up with not enough forces left to win the war.

Key point = you lost too many troops in the battle you "won", ergo why everyone is making those comments.

>>603790

But they didn't lose too many troops, they kept their empire.

>>603824

It died the minute he stepped down instead of stomping the (((elite))) children revolt.

>>603732

>MUH MSM NARRATIVE

Thanks for giving the Russia Today view point

>US occupied western europe

The US applied very light political pressure on western europe and you completely caved like the cowardly imbred retards you are. I sincerly hope your wish of being "liberated" by the noble Russian savges comes true someday surrender monkey so you can see what an occupation looks like. Whenever a Euro nation has told the US to fuck off it has never gotten physically aggressive like Russia.

>the USSR won the war

An ability to die the most doesnt make you a victor but I wouldnt expect a stupid fuck frog to understand that.

Something Russians and Russiaboos apparently havent been clued in on yet is the fact that we were never allies with Russia and the overarching geopolitical goal of the war was achieved almost to the letter. Destroy Germany cripple then collapse Russia. War is will applied through military arms and political coercion. The fact that you are typing this in English and not Russian means we won the war, the fact that Russian women would rather become prostitues in my country then stay in their shithole is how I know we won the war.

>>603756

>Turkish rapebaby

>said the full altaic

>>603656

>The US army dwarfs the heer.

The fuck couldn't it win then? Why did you bring the german army up at all then? Crazy gook.

>>603660

>20%

That's even worse.

>it only took the allies 1 year to reach Berlin

A) France is an allied country, and it started trying to reach Berlin in 1940.

B) Allies never "reached Berlin", they had to go through red troops to get there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_to_Berlin

So allies fought from 40 to 45 and couldn't beat 1/5th of the German military.

Soviets fought from 41 to 45 and destroyed 2/3rds of the German military and seized Berlin.

Jokeposter, pick up a book.

>>603880

Have you given any consideration to performing a action that would see your head removed from between your own buttocks?

Yes, you might yap and keep lying to yourself that you weren't allies of communist vermin, but yet you americans helped them at every fucking opportunity you got.

>>603895

But americans did win.

Are you such a mongoloid that you are suggesting the Soviet army alone can take both the US army and the heer?

>>603732

>I agree, but communists aren't the government in my country, gook.

They are in your country right now.

In fact a lot of them, perhaps even more than Vietnam.

>>604007

If you look at the casualty rates, and how tired the Soviets were in comparison to the Allies, and how much they can muster in comparison to the Soviet Union, I would wager the Allies would win.

>>604015

Casualty rates were high because soviets kept feeding a trickle of people into situations that required overwhelming force, and because of dumb orders like 227 which prevented their entire military deepbattle concept from working. Once they got their shit together and conscription entered full swing, it was easy going.

>how tired the Soviets were

Why the hell do people keep saying this as if it makes any sense? What, the allies were chipper due to superior coffee? The actual fuck.

>>604020

Not entirely true about order 227, if you read the entire order it's not as it seems.

>>603377

What kind of boots did the Soviets get from murca?

>>603652

>waltzed through

The Soviets were moving at a snail's pace compared to the German movement of 1941.

>>604053

That's partly to differences in the two combat philosophies. German wermecht have a directed chaos philosophy, where the lowest commanders are left to do whatever the fuck they want, and the upper officers just occasionally herd the cats toward the enemy. Soviet deep battle combat philosophy is kind of like magic or theater, it's about tricking the other guy into advancing into a preprepared artillery aiming spot, or tricking the enemy into advancing into a cauldron (encirclement).

So one is all about making headway by taking a step forward at every opportunity. Like a torrential downpour cutting a small canyon.

The other is all about making headway by taking a step back at preplanned moments. Like lake water wearing away at a shoreline.

I can't see deep battle being fast…. but both methods are effective.

>>603091

>Why didn't the State department allow the soviets to occupy Japan

Why let your enemy occupy japan when you can occupy japan?

>>607241

>Implying Joseph McCarthy wasn't right on all counts

>Implying the State Department had has any allegiance to the USA

You have much to learn young sempai desu.

>>603895

>So allies fought from 40 to 45 and couldn't beat 1/5th of the German military.

Why should they? Why do you think D-Day happened so late? The western allies got the parts of Europe that they knew they could get, and let the Soviets take the parts that they knew were inevitable such as Poland, as well as 50x more losses. The US emerged with influence over a portion of Europe's wealth much greater than the effort it put in, relatively, as well as the only real functioning industries. Do you think that war is just a pissing match?

>>603091

>Why didn't the State department allow the soviets to occupy Japan

Because the soviets didn't want to?

The soviet did invade Manchuria and Korea and tried to go for Hokkaido (but didn't have anywhere near enough ships so just did Sakhalin and the Kuriles).

The soviets could have claimed a big part of Manchuria as reverting the result of the previous war with Japan and get back Dalian (Dalian, the gigantic port city in northern China was founded as Dalniy by Imperial Russia) and they did already controlled a shit load of territory that were considered mongols territory (so, outside china).

In fact they did pretty much annexed the area until 1950 when they choose to give it to the Chinese commies.

Yalta meetings didn't include border agreements in the east. The US asked them (in panic) to stop at the 38th parallel while the soviets were cutting through the Japanese like butter in early August and they just did.

Not that the 38th parallel cover most of the north of Japan and that the soviet could have asked to occupy Hokkaido which was and still is sometimes called "northern territories" by nips, Hokkaido isn't an historical nip island, they colonized it in the late 19th century.

But they just didn't.

Stalin didn't gave a fuck about what was going on in the east. Mao was an (((international))) commies creature (which is why he betrayed the soviets later on).

In fact the kurile problem today stems from the fact that Stalin couldn't be arsed to sign the peace treaty with Japan.

Russian and Japan are technically still at war, they have an armistice, not a peace treaty.

>>607326

But Joseph Mccarthy was in power after Japan was invaded he couldn't have made a decision on it

>>607339

>Because the soviets didn't want to?

they did which is why they stole karafuto and kuril islands

>>604086

dont show that pic to reddit because they'll rename it to god creating babby trump

>>607349

I still recognize Japan's claim to the islands. The Russians sit on a lot of territory that doesn't belong to them.

>>607404

>Russians sit on a lot of territory that doesn't belong to them.

Turkroaches like most animals have no concept of ownership.

>>607404

Technically it belongs to the Ainu but they aren't big enough to be independent and would rely on us anyways.

>>607428

<Allies would've totally lost the war if they kept up the lend-lease to soviets while actively at war with them

t. (((Publicly educated))) history expert

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>>607404

Land belongs only to the one who conquered it. It doesn't matter who used to live there.

>>607430

>Keeping up the lend lease while at war with the soviets

Now that's truly enlightened, imagine arming and training a guerrilla paramilitary organization and then fighting them, who would do such a thing.

>>607431

So we should conquer it back?

>>607557

With how Russians treat their special border zones, they've probably got more shit there than what the entire JSDF could muster. I don't personally have a clue what they've got there due to the FSB immediately denying me a pass to go there despite two Russians outright stating my stand up character.

>>607563

That's my point, America won't let us

>Is the Occupation of Afghan America's Opium war?

A more pertinent question would be: Is the occupation of America Afghans Opium war?

>>607557

>>607557

You would get spanked by coastal artillery before you even saw the coast, it would be like reverse mongol invasion of japan.

They have 15 batteries of bastion hidden in that region, youd be better off nuking it flat.