/k/ - Weapons

>>602525

haha, good ol' 1911.

I can confirm that Federal's 230 gr HST +p round is a beast out of 5 inch barrels.

I'm a .357 SIGger, and SIG shill in general (though the p365 is dogshit) but I respect the 1911 guys. I mean yeah fudd this fudd that but shoot someone with a +p .45 and their shit is fucked up.

>>602528

We already had TT thread, but if this one now exists, i'll post it here. What do you guys think of it?

>>602531

you own one of those?

I started laughing when I saw the recoil on that thing. It's obviously a beast.

>>602531

>conversion kit fits in a standard 1911 frame

Nice, how much?

>>602528

What do you think of 10mm? I was considering getting a 10mm but the price per round put me off.

>>602537

>>602531

Nevermind, just checked.

350 is a reasonable price, I expected it to be more.

>>602533

No, i'm noguns, because flag. Still enjoy looking for such weird stuff and exploring theory.

>>602537

Here https://www.460rowland.com/product-category/conversions/

>>602538

Buy one, 10mm is awesome, very fun to shoot. With guns I've learned that if you really want one, get it. That's what I did with .357 SIG and I love it, even though I pay 32-35-ish CPR for practice ammo, but I can switch out to .40 with just a barrel, so there's that. You'll have to be a little more choosy with the ammo, and it costs a little more, but on the other hand you're carrying something that will blow away a bad guy with far, far more authority than a 9mm. Even the weak 10mm loads are stronger than .40 S/W and .45 acp, no offense to those guys. The "strong" 10mm, like Fiocchi or SIG, to name the two mainstream guys, is in between .357 and .44 magnum as far as recoil. Beast.

>>602538

also, conceal carry. You can conceal carry full-size guns like the 1911 in 10mm but you need a good holster to do it. Go with Galco, IMO they're the best production holster.

>>602556

specifically the King Tuk. Awesome, awesome holster, very comfortable, secure, doesn't hardly print.

you can find them like new on ebay for 40-50 bucks.

>>602556

>>602557

>>602552

TBH I wouldn't want to carry a full sized 1911, If I had a CCW i'd carry a glock 19 with some 124 hp +p 9mm (what I have in my glock 17 ATM)

>>602713

>can't CCW a 1911

Manlets, when will they ever learn?

>>603720

I'm the OP

>>603736

So a nigger and a faggot. Impressive.

>>602713

So how's your boyfriend doing, Jamal?

Why hasn't anyone developed a "modernized" 1911 that incorporates the improvements Browning designed into later pistols like the Hi-Power? The traditional 1911 has many excellent qualities, the slim profile and unparalleled trigger design being the 2 primary features that other pistols fail to execute properly. However, it also contains many anachronisms in its design that no longer serve any purpose thanks to modern machining and manufacturing technology. Examples would be the full length rails versus partial rails, the use of a barrel link versus a cam, and the use of a barrel bushing versus a properly machined slide/barrel interface.

I'm honestly surprised no one has thought to produce a 1911 with just those minor tweaks as they would allow for a much cheaper price without compromising reliability, function, or aesthetics. I'm also amazed that it took ~80 years for someone to realize "hey, the functionality of the 1911's trigger design is unparraleled, why don't we copy it and build it into an otherwise modern polymer 9mm?". The fact that it took that long for a design like the Hudson H9 to come about is indicative of just how lazy the big manufacturers are.

the campus police at my school uses 1911s for some

reason?

>>603766

They have no reason to when they are making bank.

>>603766

I've asked myself the same question. The only explanation I can come up with is cultural momentum. "We've been doing it this way for a hundred and ten years, why stop now?"

While we're indulging in pipe dreams, the original .45ACP load was supposed to replicate that of .45Colt, except with smokeless powder and a case suitable for autoloaders, right?

So why hasn't anyone made a 1911 in .45 Colt? Yeah, you'd have to make the grip longer to accommodate the longer cartridge, and trying to make a rimmed cartridge work in a straight mag is bound to be wonky, but if Noonan can make it work in .357 Magnum then these problems are obviously not insurmountable.

>>603780

>Noonan

Coonan, rather.

>>603766

Well there's the STI 2011, but the improvements there are only skin-deep. My guess would be that so much of the 1911's popularity is based on stubbornly insisting that those anachronisms don't matter, or are actually features.

>>603780

>a rimmed cartridge work in a straight mag is bound to be wonky

It's certainly doable, you just have to restrict yourself to single stack mags. The Deagle does it pretty well, as do a few .22lr autoloaders.

>>603780

The problem with 45 Colt is that it's fuckhuge, hence why ot's called 45 Long Colt. It's equally as long as 50 Action Express which pushes the limit for handgun ergonomics. While that isn't enough of an issue to prevent people from demanding handguns chambered in .357 or 50AE, the only reason people are willing to make the ergonomic compromise is due to the increased performance of those cartridges versus .45 ACP.

While the 45 Long Colt case does provide additional headroom for powder, .45 ACP itself is so old that there is enough headroom to push the performance of that case to the very limits of what a typical short recoil handgun action can handle (see: 45 Super). Anything you can do with a 45 Long Colt case in a traditional design can be mstched by a modernized .45 ACP load and anything greater would require a stronger lockup like that seen with the Desert Eagle's rotating, gas operated bolt.

It does have some novelty appeal but it doesn't make much sense. 45 Long Colt itself doesn't make much sense in the modern contexf except as a way to sell Fudds on the idea of .45/.410 shotshell revolvers.

>>603766

>>603780

The market doesn't demand innovation.

>>604229

Some do, some don't. The 1911 market specifically does not, because most of its value comes from nostalgia and cult-like appreciation for it being a JMB design. Because innovation will not modify these aspects of its value there isn't much inventive to pursue those avenues in the 1911 market.

>>603766

>Examples would be the full length rails versus partial rails

Except that's a feature, not a bug. They lend themselves to more consistent lockup and therefore better accuracy.

>the use of a barrel link versus a cam

This is a good question. Star and Llama did produce pseudo-1911's with a similar barrel system.

>the use of a barrel bushing versus a properly machined slide/barrel interface.

Literally every single heavy barrel 1911 does this. Kimber alone Fuck Kimber btw, does about thirty bushingless models.

>build it into an otherwise modern polymer 9mm?

You're the sort of dude that would get drug to a bar that's 99% horny coeds and end up taking home the one trap.

>>604251

that's what I meant.