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4617b0 No.599898
Besides the MAT-49 and S&W 76. What are other examples of underrated sub machine guns?
10be3a No.599899
>>599898
It's called cancer, but it was bootlegged by chinese and was made before SMG's were popular
c90340 No.599902
Sterling, the sten overshadows it despite using shitty German mags
4617b0 No.599910
>>599899
What the fuck is it?
1573aa No.599912
2c7804 No.599913
>>599910
I'm gonna take a wild fucking guess and say PM63 RAK.
26b43b No.600035
>>599902
Stens are inferior to Sterlings solely because of that horrendous grip.
02e7e4 No.600041
The Vietnamese K-50M adaptation of the PPSh-41 doesn't get nearly enough love.
4617b0 No.600042
>>600041
Is that the original stock?
02e7e4 No.600043
>>600042
Yes, the Vietnamese manufactured retractable wire stocks for them. Presumably, taking design cues from the surrender monkey's MAT-49.
4617b0 No.600046
>>600043
So the Vietnamese were more creative than the Chinese?
02e7e4 No.600048
>>600046
Looks like it. I think that's true of any Asian ethnicity that isn't Chinese. They're all prone to creativity problems and collectivist thinking but the Chinese are the worst of them all in that regard.
b4cd89 No.600063
8164c4 No.600064
2c7804 No.600066
>>600048
Generally they always seem to stick to ideas that are already established which feeds into their lack of creativity. When asians try to do creativity guys like Kijiro Nambu come out of no where
14a6ed No.600274
>>600076
I don't know if I want to fire it or fuck it worse.
97c75a No.600352
>>599898
PPSh-41
PPSh-41
PPSh-41
P90
Rush B!
4617b0 No.600934
b4d547 No.601010
I would say the Beretta M38 mostly since he hardly gets talked about concerning WW2. I thought it was cool that the shell casings got ejected on the left side which makes the gun even more left-hand friendly.
I also think the dual triggers were interesting.
814306 No.601017
>>600422
>>600934
>Kraut Uzi
A Kutezi?
Here's a few guns I bet most anons never knew existed.
10be3a No.601021
>>601017
>automatic pistol
>for sales and service phone # or contact your nearest arms dealer
>designed for use from a vehicle or for home defense
>ideal for weapon or people inexperienced with weapons
Commercials from a more civilized age.
0f1fb0 No.601024
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>>601017
>>601021
Prepare to feel … feely. It may be slightly off topic but those 1970's vintage MRAPs are just beautiful.
96aac3 No.601037
>>601024
Buffel remains the most effective MRAP in history. Out of over 600 mine attacks only 12 resulted in death of crew.
They built so many that half of them were used as utility vehicles, in convoys to transport food, fuel etc. Never had a problem.
The vehicle that replaced it twenty years ago and people still complain.
fa0a10 No.601088
>>601021
It was more of a weapon to deal with communist busting into your house. To civilize the savage. Most Rhodesian PCC's were built for people who never handled a FAL or were even in the army in the event said floppies decided to start going after random people. I bet some of those guns saved folk after the turn over of power from sane people to animals.
7dd284 No.601097
>>599899
Before? What? It was made 20 year till end of SMG era.
4617b0 No.601157
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>>599898
>M3 grease gun should be more respected than it is
>Still-overshadowed by MP40 and Thompson
>In spite of M3 Grease still being used world wide
1c2955 No.601204
>>599898
The three best SMGs are the French MAT-49, the Italian Beretta M-12 and the German DUX M59 (West-German modified extremely well made PPS-43).
Everything else, especially modern shit (starting with the fucking MP5) is hot garbage, with one exception: the P90.
The way to define a good SMG is by how well it stays on target when used in full auto, so while the MP5 is a very accurate gun in single shots it's jumping around quite a bit in full auto while even wartime made SMGs (M3/PPsh, M3 definitely gets in the top 5) had managed to get in the sweet spot where the mass/recoil ratio makes the gun completely stable in full.
9600da No.601236
>>601204
>P90 is one of the best smgs
<bullets overpenetrate
<top-load mags
<big height difference between sights and barrel
<trigger is an offence to god
best modern smg right there
1c2955 No.601240
>>601236
>best modern smg right there
Yes it is…
Which is saying a lot about everything else.
14a6ed No.601258
>>601240
>Not the TMP
>Not the B&T 9
>Not the SPECTRE
Frogs have had shit taste since before Vercingetorix got BTFO.
898bf6 No.601260
>>601236
>top mounted magazines are bad
>muh trigger, despite never firing one
You don't own guns with more than 10 rounds, so I don't expect you to know this, but reloading prone is a bitch
1c2955 No.601274
>>601258
>Not the TMP
Full auto pistol with HORRIBLE climb.
>Not the B&T 9
MP9? TP9? That's the same gun (full/semi).
Are you talking of the B+T APC 9mm? Because that's the same shit as an MP5. The B+T GHM9? It doesn't even do full auto and it's a pistol grown into a carbine (and would have an horrible climb).
>Not the SPECTRE
Full auto pistol with HORRIBLE climb.
Yeah… I'm not the one with shit taste.
14a6ed No.601281
>>601274
>muh climb
This is the ideal SMG. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
96aac3 No.601289
>>601281
Those things attached to quadcopters are going to be the soldiers of the future. Mark my fucking words, I've been there, it's hell. Every bit of open sky they hunt you, so you spend your entire time looking for a roof. I've only done it once before, but I've been there….
1c2955 No.601295
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>>601281
If has the velocity to properly expand high speed HP .22 and reliably fed them, you fucking bet it is.
Sadly on most video there seem to be the classic feeding issues from drums.
71f2fe No.601342
How about UMP? I've heard it manages recoil pretty good.
1c2955 No.601377
>>601342
They've been replacing our police Beretta PM12-S2 with it and since we have to replace the bullet catchers on the upper part of the range once per year instead of once every decade…
The only thing the UMP is good at is it's price tag (as it's the case for most HK guns).
71f2fe No.601382
>>601377
What about SITES spectre? Looks sexy af.
39e0ba No.601430
>>600046
an innovative design
e75495 No.601448
>>601281
>bullets overpenetrate
SS190 has about 25-30cm penetration in gelatin, 9x19 FMJ (main SMGs fuel) 50-75 cm. Maeks you think about kinetic energy transfer.
>>601295
>>601236
4.6x26R Interdynamic
c13fdb No.601506
>>601289
So I take it that safety isn't guaranteed, then?
d58b80 No.601555
How do you think submachinegun development in the US might have changed if for whatever reason pistol calibers were exempt from NFA regulation?
71f2fe No.601616
2259bf No.601628
96aac3 No.601745
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>>601506
Bring your own gun.
>>601616
>drones cant autonomously spot me in a crowd!