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>>596494

So basically you want to get sued by GW?

>>596496

I don't remember any communists in Warhammer, except the Tau

>>596497

>I don't remember any communists in Warhammer

The Imperium's blatantly communist.

>>596497

We're talking about a company that sues others for using armors with pauldrons and using the term "space marine".

Yes they have no right to either, but that has never stopped them…

>>596498

Fucking how? It's hyper religious, plus there's massive wealth inequality.

>>596504

>Endless masses of mediocrely-equipped human IGs zerg rushing the enemy until they eventually win due to sheer numbers

>Execution-happy Stalingrad Commissars and secret police Inquisitors who oppress humans more than any of their enemies

>Everyone fighting for a supreme leader (Emperor)

>Posterboy Space Marines dress red armor

>Indoctrinated military units kill each other all the time over an ideal they barely understand

Even the Tau have more free agency by a longshot with their Greater Good philosophy. They managed to stop killing each other and unite under one banner. They even let IGs who're stranded and left for dead join their society as equals with the same rights and duties as soldiers and even officers (which the Imperium foams at the mouth and calls them heretic traitors for having independent thought and choosing to leave).

The Tau work on willing unity through duty, which is completely different from the Imperium's controlling forced species loyalty. It's hilariously ironic.

Kinetic bombardment will be the new nukes, metallic hydrogen is the rocket fuel of the future allowing small, short minimum engagement range KKVs.

>>596497

And the whole immortal ruler of mankind predated Geedubs by decades. They pretty much ripped off doom, not just the god emperor but the navigators and tons of other shit.

>>596505

Poster boy marines are the smurfs. The tau also forced humans into the greater good, and they are not treated as equals. No matter how much of a good gue'vesa you are you're not getting a battle suit. Not to mention a multi-species society would never work due to the competitive exclusion principle.

>>596511

>The tau also forced humans into the greater good, and they are not treated as equals

Anon, read this.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

Not only do Tau OFFER humans to join (which if they don't, well, they want to remain enemies and get shot) but they also respect humans who do.

>No matter how much of a good gue'vesa you are you're not getting a battle suit.

Damocles Anthology has an Inquisitor turned Gue'vesa being given a Crisis Suit modified for human use out of merit, so it's not impossible.

You know what is imposible though? No matter how good an IG you are, you're not getting a Dreadnought, much less become a Space Marine.

>Competitive exclusion

They literally let humans run their own colonies/planets and production to avoid competition if they so want, it's all Tau space really. They also give them full rights to not only bear, but also build their own arms themselves to defend themselves. Hell, they GIVE them tech and materials for it too.

Another good point is that contrary to the imperium, the Tau don't kill you off for "incompetence" if you take too long to succeed at a mission, or fail. How is any of this communist?

>>596505

None of that has anything to do with leftist economic ideology. That's a result of brainwashing anywhere, religious in the Imperium's case, which is also the antithesis of communism. I have to assume you're either really, really stupid or just underage.

>>596513

>much less become a Space Marine.

Because only a small percentage of people are fit enough to become space marines.

>>596514

>Religious brainwashing is the opposite of communism

Communism itself is described to be treated as a religious ideal, complete with dogmas and even "holy books", which is precisely why when it's implemented, all other religions are exterminated in its brainwashing process. Marx makes this point very fucking clear in his shitty manifesto. Why do you think that rotten piece of shit ideal still plagues the world today and still has devout people, despite countless examples that it's forever doomed to fail?

I have to assume you're either really, really stupid or just underage.

>>596517

True, but meritocracy's still better.

>>596519

How is space marine selection not meritocracy? They choose only the fittest.

>>596519

>Economic ideology is religious because it has doctrine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism_and_religion

I suppose Japanese fascism is also communism because there were people devote enough to kamikaze.

Start with this: Is there currency in the Imperium? If yes, it is now socialism at best.

Is there welfare in the Imperium? If no, then it is mandatorily right-wing.

I suppose it shouldn't surprise me that a huenigger is not only grammatically illiterate but also politically illiterate as well.

>>596520

Marine selection is mostly based on aggressiveness and killer instinct, which are pretty much genetic qualities. After all, the Imperium does seek out candidates in Hive Worlds. This is directly translated on Space Marine behavior.

Merit would involve distinguishing yourself on the battlefield, be it fighting, supporting, or coordinating. Prowess in a military prowess goes beyond just survival of the fittest.

>>596521

Communism isn't an exclusively economic system you fucking retarded idiot. It's a sociopolitical ideology first and foremost. The economic criticism is explicitly criticized for being a way for one class to control another, and every point made against it has social outcomes at the core. It preaches equal distribution and state control over the economy, not total abolition. Even the USSR still kept a currency and planned economy in place.

You fucking troglodyte. You should study your enemy better than this.

>>596521

They let Jews practice their religion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

>>596522

>It preaches equal distribution

Which the Imperium does not have in any way shape or form.

> and state control over the economy

Something that all authoritarian ideologies do.

If you can relate the Imperium to communism merely because it involves dogmatism is some way or another, I can relate it to Intregalism just as easily. The thing about communism is that the economic part is required, and the sociopolitical aspect is motive.

>>596523

Because Marxism/Communism was literally created and funded by Jews, you fool. Even Putin admitted that over 80% of the Bolshevik Elite that institutionalized communism in Russia were jewish.

Karl Marx was an ethnical jew. Mayer Amschel Rothschild was Jewish lord who aided the Bolsheviks financially. Lenin was a Russian born of jewish parents. Leon Trotsky was a Russian jew. Jacob Schiff was an American bankster who made the largest financial donations to the Bolshevik movement, among many others. And you wonder why they were allowed to practice their bullshit there? Stalin only started killing them off because of growing political competition and backstabbing.

You know who couldn't practice their religion in the USSR though? Christians. Over 12 million killed in Gulags.

>>596526

>Which the Imperium does not have in any way shape or form.

I know, but my original point was not really referring to the Imperium's economy aspect either way…

>Integralism

Conceivable, but doesn't integralism work on positive religious ideals? While it does promote unison against other ideologies, I don't believe it promotes intense zealotry, killing your brethren for desertion, or the slightest hint of insecurity in the cause. It does fit the Greater Good bill as well too, now that I think about it.

Hopefully the thread's not going off the rails by now

>>596507

I have orbital bombardment down. What I'm working on is surface warfare. And what about the sea?

>>596536

If the people on the Moon allied themselves with the Martians, wouldn't they have all the time in the world to observe the Earth, pinpoint critical locations to bombard, and plan out the invasion rather easily, granted they have control of the immediate space around the Moon? What if there was a battle between the Earth and the Moon before the bombardment?

As for the actual bombardment, they could just use Neutron bombs to neutralize organic matter through structures/armor/bunkers without destroying said structures. Since they're able to use biological weapons, species-specific plagues might have to be ruled out for making it too easy. Earth-penetrating warheads like the B-82 can reach up to ~300m into the ground IIRC.

>>596494

Non-accurate "what if" scenarios annoy me, and are also uninteresting, which is why I hate the Kaiserreich mods.

>>596526

If anything, the Imperium's a feudal theocracy, with tithes of men/materiel paid to its central authority in the administratum. As long as you keep up with the tithes and don't deviate from the broad outlines of the Imperial Cult, there's a lot of leeway in how worlds are run.

>>596547

This, the governor can run his planet as some sort of industrial republic/agrarian republic, or as a total feudal society (except with high level of technology).

Imperium does not give a shit as long as it's not degenerate and chaotic.

>>596536

If you are interplanetary you have very cheap orbital vehicles, the sea is probably strategically unimportant as everything is dependent on air superiority and securing LEO.

>>596548

>the governor can run his planet as some sort of industrial republic/agrarian republic, or as a total feudal society (except with high level of technology).

Frankly, the planetary governor doesn't even need to secure a high level of technology and in some cases, it isn't considered desirable. That's one of the key reasons why the level of technology is so varied across the Imperium.

>>596560

Yes I remember some governor specifically kept a hand-off approach and let the society down-planet to be Conan level so the spess muhreen can recruit brutal savages there.

>>596528

>Stalin only started killing them off because of growing political competition and backstabbing.

Stalin never killed "jews", that's a jewish lie.

He killed off a lot of the soviet elite because he though they were plotting against him (and probably were), you just couldn't toss a stone at said elite without touching a Jew, so yeah most of the people he killed were Jewish but that's just reveal who really was in charge of the soviet revolution rather than any "antisemitism" on Stalin part…

>>596507

>metallic hydrogen is the rocket fuel of the future

You misspelled NTRs.

>>596521

>>596526

You don't really get how empires work.

The imperium isn't a communist state, it's an empire in the most classical sense of an empire. It 'maintains' and 'defends' all the worlds of humanity from the other species, given that they accept the Emperor as their lord and savior, send them all their psykers, and pay some fees(the usual for empires- men and raw materials) for their generous service. The individual states(planets) are allowed to run themselves however the fuck they want as long as they do what the imperium says, or they get a space marine boot up their ass.

>no equal distribution

because some of the planets decided to be hive worlds(aka communist)

>>596536

Land combat will probably not advance much beyond what we have, or just constant iterative improvements and occasional outright redesign. It'll probably be drop troopers landing on something like the dragon 2 capsule with a drogue chute and rocket-powered max accel landing. But first, before droptroopers can land, the orbital bombardment(which will take the role of CAS) will have to destroy the point defense systems/antiballistic missiles(analagous to anti-air). Then they clear a drop site with more bombs. Then the troopers drop, and the ships provide fire support as needed. Tanks will still be tanks, and will still look like tanks do for as long as hovercars aren't a thing. They will get lighter, faster, more agile, and carry bigger guns, but they will still be much like the tanks we know and love. The other thing that i think won't change all that much is close air support. Big drones, dropped to the front with the troops, piloted from orbit or from the ground, filling the role of an attack helicopter and medic heli.

The only reason i could see the ocean being useful in a space war is as a beachhead/staging site for the land operations, though it would be almost as easy to just clear and level a site with heavy bombardment. Perhaps it will matter simply because most manned spacecraft ever designed have been designed to land in water, so it wouldn't be hard to station your anti-bombardment defenses to cover your land troops out at sea.

On a similar note, space warfare will be most analogous to ~1800s naval combat on a strategic level. On a tactical level it will be a mix of 1800's naval and modern air combat, minus the pilots. The time delay between communication, and the spread formation that will be needed to make a saturation attack ineffective, communication delay will be in the low minutes, perhaps 30 seconds to 2 minutes. Not unlike the 1800s, where besides what info you could glean from looking at the ship through a telescope everything you knew from them you had to get from the signal flags they flew, which took a minute or so to line up in the correct order then hoist aloft. A short time delay means each ship must have a high degree of autonomy, but they must also have a clear view of the whole battle. Recon drones will be used a lot, but anything that produces a radio signal can be seen from far away.

>>596542

the moon isn't always in the same spot in the sky. It's completely possible to bombard the earth without taking the moon, and without even entering the moons gravitational sphere of influence once. But if the moon decides it's on earths side, they offer earth's inevitably larger forces a much-needed forward operating base and an extra target that needs bombing, splitting the invading fleet's assets.

Imperium and jewish bullshit like communism does not mix.

As said, Imperium is an example of feudal bureaucracy i.e. the Holy Roman Empire or Byzantium at work, it's in fact proving that feudalism can survive to the space age and beyond.

>>596590

Nah, they are closer to Ion drives than a chemical rocket capable of getting a KKV to a decent speed in under 0.1 AU.

They will be great for probes but lack the thrust for weapons use.

>>596505

Except that's all wrong

Endless masses of mediocrely affordably-equipped (considering they are literally innumerable you got to keep their equipment cheap) human IGs zerg rushing the enemy using different tactics depending on the regiment (not all of them are DKOK or Penals) until they eventually win due to sheer numbers perseverance and determination.

Execution-happy Stalingrad Commissars and secret police Inquisitors who oppress humans more than any of their enemies (I will give you that one)

Everyone fighting for a supreme leader (Emperor)(could also be Hitler, Mao, or any other dictator/religious figure)

Posterboy Space Marines dress red __ultramarine~~ armor

Indoctrinated military units kill each other all the time sometimes depending on what author you read and how much they suck Chaos dick

Even the Tau have more less free agency by a longshot with their Greater Good philosophy as they are a race that was enslaved by the uppermost caste. They didn't managed to stop killing each other and unite under one banner as the farsight enclave proofs.

They even let brainwash IGs who're stranded and left for dead they captured and imprisoned join their society as equals with the same rights and duties as soldiers and even officers with no rights after forcefuly sterilizing them and extracting them for all information they can.

(which the Imperium foams at the mouth and calls them heretic race traitors for having independent thought and choosing to leave betraying their brothers and sisters in arms by helping the enemy. A good imperial guardsman would rather blow his last lasgun-pack to kill himself and any Xenos surrounding him than get captured and brainwashed).

The Tau work on willing unity through duty brainwashing, which is completely different from the Imperium's controlling forced extermination of xenos species loyalty. It's am hilariously ironic xenophile.

I can smell xenos scum one parsec against the interstellar winds.

About this whole Imperium debacle: the Imperium of Mankind in Warhammer 40k is indeed a classic imperium, with a gigantic but inefficient central bureaucracy and with local leaders who small amounts of real power. You can call it feudal because of the later, but the original meaning of feudal is just whatever the average French citizen of the 18th century didn't like, therefore it's an extremely vague term. Also, watch this video with the horribly edited text if you have half-an-hour of empty time.

>>596620

>Everyone fighting for a supreme leader (Emperor)(could also be Hitler, Mao, or any other dictator/religious figure)

The difference is that Hitler genuinely loved his people. The Emperor actually hates the current Imperium. He doesn't even want to be worshipped. That alone just topples the whole faction because he fought to deliver humanity from the exact same barbaric religious state it currently finds itself in. If he came back to rule mankind, he'd tear the Imperium down, hence why I said it was funny and ironic.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Truth

>They are a race that was enslaved by the uppermost caste. They didn't manage to stop killing each other and unite under one banner as the farsight enclave proofs.

The Farsight Enclaves were always a part of the Tau. They actually left out of personal shame because Farsight got a bit too cocky and pushed too deep into Ork territory (despite the Ethereals not liking it, for a good reason), got cut off from the Tau Empire, and had his forces isolated and slaughtered by Nurglefags. The Tau mourned their departure for a long time, and tried to re-establish communications with them many times. Even then, they weren't hunted and killed for leaving.

Hell, before Farsight even got his fame, when he was just cadet, the jealous Ethereals themselves said that his independent nature was one of the major qualities that made him burn through the ranks so fast, earning a place of prestige in their military through merit. They appointed him as the most heroic figure of the Tau at one point, even.

>Brainwash IGs

>forcefuly sterilizing

Non-canon lore only made for Dark Crusade.

"As time passed, these humans and their children turned from being reluctant converts to enthusiastic believers in the Greater Good."

>>596666

Proven wrong when Guilleman returns.

Guileman inherits the logical side of the Emperor, but surprise, faggot didn't go hurr let's burn down the Imperium, nope he passes reform in order to reform it to be more inline with the 30K Imperium with the Emperor.

And don't even say the Emperor doesn't love humanity, which is what the Imperium is about, worshiping the Emperor AND protecting humanity.

Your silly ass tau shit is just another annoying pest on the side, entertained ONLY because the Imperium is busy dealing with bigger threats (Chaos & Tyranids).

>>596669

>Guilleman

You mean the guy whose very first thought upon being resurrected was that he'd rather see it all burn than let the current Imperium continue? Granted he chose to stabilize it in the end (because it was destroying itself, again) but as you yourself said he was trying to bring it back to what it used to be and tone down the batshit insane dial, because that was his job as a tool of the emperor.

Dark Imperium has some surprises.

>>596681

Uh, yes, thank you for repeating myself.

No sane man is gonna burn down the Imperium because it triggers his personal belief.

>>596682

And as I said he chose not to because he was to rebuild humanity, but he still wanted 40k Imperium gone one way or another, as did the Emperor.

>>596684

Except he kept the 40K Imperium and chose to reform it.

It's not like he fired all the Ministorum or fired all the Lords of Terra, nope, he took the current model and reformed it to be more efficient and more like the 30K Imperium.

You are mistaking his just-awake-butthurt to be his full intention and weaving a narrative that is not there.

In fact, it's arguable that the Emperor is still following and helping the Imperium in the form of the Astronomicon.

>>596558

You still don't want subs with nuclear weapons running around. That's the commie's dead man switch.

>>596494

First off, this is going to be a bit of a mess. I just started typing and ended up with all this- hope to read your book with maybe some of this in it. :^)

How about a fighter jet with some kind of post-horizon scanner and a big ass cannon. Identify target you don't want to exist anymore, accelerate to mach 5, fire the biggest bullet, and fly over the thing you just made disappear at mach 4. The entire purpose of the jet is to eliminate multiple stationary targets in one deployment while completely ignoring anti air defenses and also not needing to launch a bunch of missiles. Make it a UAV if you're worried about G's. As for air superiority, make a jet that can bend/flex it's frame as it thrusts so it essentially can change velocities on a dime. Once again, UAV it if you're worried about the G's; you decide what your supermen can handle.

Another thing you could have is extremely high orbit UAV's that carry nothing but hundreds or thousands of tactical range micro-missiles. Ground troops would call it in for easy and quick CAS. Combine with a LEO version that has strategic range bunker buster missiles.

Thirdly, don't forget the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT! Make it fire EFP's if you want some future in it.

Fourth, what about Orbital hellstrike for tactics when everything absolutely must die. Basically drop a small (clean) nuke onto the target zone with a pod of radiation-suited supersoldiers (maybe 45 seconds) behind it. They basically drop right into a massive explosion and spread out to ensure there's no survivors.

Fifth, Chem backpacks to make your soldiers even more insane. Tubes connected into the skin from their gear which basically dopes the blood (with oxygen) for free and also injects stimulants like adrenaline and painkillers on demand or as needed. This, of course, only applies if the soldiers themselves haven't had their gut microbiomes amped up beyond the max to be an on demand drug factory. (Your gut already produces tons of drugs from the microbes living in it, so you could feasibly engineer better microbes to do it for you and explain it that way.) Either have your soldier's lungs be so amazing or keep the lung-bag portion for even more oxygenated blood and infinite stamina, not to mention you could probably filter out toxins with it.

Sixth, what about a hypersonic drone which is basically a fuel tank that goes through an area and mixes basically a target strip into a fuel-air bomb, except unlike a bomb the drone is usable multiple times in one deployment and is refillable.

Seventh, the mother of all cluster bombs. Pretty simple but useful for taking out massive hordes of infantry. Each final piece of the cluster bomb should be able to embed itself in a body and then explode. Call it the Red Rain bomb.

Finally, just like I've done here, add some kind of feasible explanation to your technologies to make it infinitely more interesting. Don't go super in depth to the point where the reader gives up suspension of disbelief, but enough to intrigue.

>>596702

Extremely high altitude, not high orbit. One bombinator per combat zone.

Also a couple more ideas:

The average infantry rifle is now a .50 cal with penetrator rounds. Who needs to get close to the enemy when you can take out 10 in one shot from 3 miles away?

Orbital drop hunter killer subs. UUV's. This is less about sea superiority and making sure the enemy doesn't have anything in the water, as it is programmed to annihilate everything mechanical in the ocean that doesn't have a hunter killer beacon on it. It is also programmed to float and shut down after 30 days to either be collected and dismantled or receive another kill signal, where it'll operate for another 30 days.

Good old iron dropper. Instead of meteorites, smelt all of that space junk that NASA and the like left up there into rods (onsite) and drop it. This cleans up orbit at the same time. Make it capable of capturing micro-fragments.

>>596507

What on EARTH is that ridiculous accent?

>>596509

>And the whole immortal ruler of mankind predated Geedubs by decades. They pretty much ripped off doom, not just the god emperor but the navigators and tons of other shit.

Yes and it has never prevent GW to sue people for it.

You make anything remotely resembling any GW IP ever and aren't a massive company that can actually contest the giant copyright stick GW is swinging around? LAWSUIT.

And I'm not talking just DMCA claim here… I'm talking actual lawsuit, yes they go that far.

GW is widely known for having DMCA an entire Wiki on it's own games, countless vidya mods, fan fiction authors, etc… And actually sued people (and WON) for mad things like big pauldrons.

You've been warned.

>>596738

GW is probably going to shit the bed soon

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/21/21st-may-warhammer-adventures-tales-for-younger-readersgw-homepage-post-1/

>>596737

I think he just has a speech impediment.

>>596744

That was so badly received they announced a series of adult horror novels in the 40k universe as a response.

>>596505

Was pre-communist Russia or post-communist Russia communist?

>>596605

NERVA had 335 kN of thrust, and it was a test model.

>>596805

It was also 34 tons, this isn't something you put on a missile.

>>596810

That was the mass of the entire stage, tanking, etc. The only thing not included in that mass is the fuel.

There won't be much need to accelerate kinetic kill vehicles too much. Spacecraft are paper thin tin buckets, and won't require much energy to destroy. When you consider that they'll all be pretty close together delta-V wise, it won't take much energy to accelerate a missile from one orbit to another. Then when you consider that they'll be very far away space wise, it matters less and less how fast the missile accelerates.

The main qualities looked for in space-to-space missiles will probably be light weight, a high mass fraction, low maintenance, and the ability to deep throttle and make fine velocity adjustments. All of these requirements point towards hypergolic liquid fuels.

>>596704

>>596702

Are you 15 or something? Jesus Christ.

>>596849

While I'm sure with some development it could get more thrust while being lighter that test model was just under 1:1 thrust to weight, this means in orbit it could only accelerate ~10m/s^2. So lets see how long until it's going as fast a APDS from a Rheinmetall 120 mm (M1A1 main gun).

Given the cannon gets 1,750 m/s the rocket with a constant acceleration of 10m/s^2 would take 2 minutes 55 seconds and over 150km to get to that speed.

This does not a good missile make.

>Spacecraft are paper thin tin buckets

I was thinking more about planetary bombardment than ship to ship but even then this thing is so fucking heavy it's not going to be hard to dodge.

>The main qualities looked for in space-to-space missiles will probably be light weight, a high mass fraction, low maintenance, and the ability to deep throttle and make fine velocity adjustments. All of these requirements point towards hypergolic liquid fuels

Agreed, small light chemical rockets moving in the ~10km/s + range would be the way to go.

>>596872

>>596849

I should add that for planetary bombardment the NERVA would actually be great. It would cover the closest distance between earth and mars in ~28 hours and arrive at ~3,700,000 km/h (~1,027,777 m/s) giving it's 34,000kg mass ~4.29 megatons of energy putting it right between a B83 and B53 in terms or yield.

I want to try writing a slightly satirical story of a war between an O'Neill space colony and Earth in alt-timeline where Hitler won.

The premise so far is as follows:

>Einstein&friends prevented from leaving the Reich

>Hitler attains nukes in 1941

>test-nukes the Brits in North Africa, threatens to nuke London

>Commies try to attack in early 1942

>Moscow gets nuked in summer of the same year by a modded He-177 flying at altitudes beyond the capabilities of Russian interceptors, Stalin killed

>Brits abandon the mediterranean after Rommel steamlols them in North Africa, Mussolini doesn't get shoa'd as a result

>Brits try to get help from the US but german sub fleets equipped with nuclear torpedos try to blockade the Brits into negotiations

>Russian commies surrender and defect one by one, eastern front collapses and a great deal of lebensraum is acquired

>Pearl Harbor doesn't happen as the Nips discover Oil in Manchuria

>British naval trade crashes with no survivors

>Food supply eventually begins to dry up

>Hitler makes several peace offerings+POW exchanges, prints them on propaganda fliers that are airdropped over the Island

>Anti-war sentiment begins to spread among the anglo population

>Churchill considers negotiating after some time

>Butthurt glow in the darks want the British to continue the war to sustain the Burger arms industry and recover from the great depression

>They highjack the anti-war protest movements across the UK to start a Russia-type color revolution

>Churchill is almost niggered by Rothschilds, while King Edward VIII. flees from drunk anglo farmers jacked up on meth still angry at his marrying of a burger woman

>Asks Hitler for help

>Waffen SS paratroopers save him from Antifa partisans

>Documents containing the plans to create a Jewish nationstate, enslave ethnic whites and pizza kikery are discovered and printed in Newspapers

>The SS also recovers several thousand abused children from Judeo-Reptilian sex dungeons

>Anti-semitic outrages across Europe, US-UK diplomatic relations crash with no survivors, mass purges of percieved traitors among the royals and other politicians by angry mobs on the street

>Peace agreement between the UK and Greater Reich signed, preserving Anglo territory and sovereignity with only limited reparations

>Nippon conquers Hawaii and the Aleutian Islands in a surprise attack, bluffs about having attained Nuclear Weapons

>German&British Navies engage the US Navy in the Atlantic

>Commie partisan activity in France and the recently conquered western portion of Russia with the eastern half going to Nippon dries up due to lack of funds

>US signs an armistice with the Axis Powers, Nips keep Hawaii and virtually all US possessions in the Pacific

>Finns recover all their clay

>By 1945 the world is split between a Mosley-type Natsoc European Alliance, the East Asian co-prosperity sphere, Burgerland and the neutral countries of Austrhodesia and India

>Eurasian kikes eternally BTFO to Madagascar

>US falls back to depression

>South America wants into National Socialism too

>The (((US))) can't have that, invades Mexico due to rampant Anti-semitism and starts supplying terrorists all across the southern continent

>This and some Stock market kikery eventually allow the US to recover, albeit in a much less glorious fashion with much of the population remaining impoverished

>Breakthrough discoveries by Polish rocket scientists put the first multi-cultural team of white men on the Moon in 1962

>US tries to cold war but it doesn't work too well, its government becoming increasingly agitated at the presence of hate speech&wrongthink

>By 1980 it's a democratic knockoff of the Soviet Union but with niggers and mutts

>Meanwhile /tech/ has been progressing at a rampant pace in Europe&Asia, all software is free, open source and written in a sane fashion, there is neither copyright nor patent law and wide computer networks only exist in the form of distinct ethno-WANs

>Empire of Japan and the Greater Reich+some members of the Königspakt start a project to construct a pair of O'Neill cylinders at L5 following several successful tests of a nuclear propulsion rocket engine in 1976

>The Cylinders are completed in 1992, 2000 pioneers of white and japanese descent are sent up

>Growing crops in space is a more difficult endeavour than previously imagined

>Asgard and Yamato largely depend on extensive supply missions for the next few years, progress is slow much to the chagrin of investors and the Reichsraumfahrtministerium

>Old man Hitler dies on the Eve of the millenium

>>596904

It's like history, except everything goes right.

Like what would happen if Freddy Redbeard didn't drown in a river.

>>596909

Doesn't include Mosley slaying Communists to defend king and country, or Japanese invading Siberia and getting annihilated again, so it's not quite the best of all possible worlds.

>>596904

This sounds like a good read, aside from all the nuclear fallout now polluting the ocean from those subs and the very heavy handed I hate the burgers with all my soul. When it comes to an underwater nuclear explosion, you don't get a huge mushroom cloud but a small (for a nuclear bomb), contained bubble which then concentrates 100% of the fallout into the surrounding waters. Eventually it would diffuse but it's probably a bad idea.

As for America, it was a good country until (((some people took it over))). There was a good chunk of anti-war sentiment among the people until Pearl Harbour, and because of Manchuria in your story the main scapegoat to war-mind America just doesn't happen. Instead of impoverishing Americans and making them suffer you could have the Reich start a propaganda campaign to reveal the kikery, spread with the help of existing National Socialists in America at the time. America begins to wake up and fight back against the nigging and kiking; in the confusion and lack of American military cooperation (all the grunts quit) the Reich is able to land a force which in conjunction with now formed American militias topple the government in the East and deport all surviving and surrendering niggers there back to Africa. George Lincoln Rockwell becomes the new President of the Constitutional National Socialist American States (CNSAS). The revolution continues westward until both coasts are secured. The incredibly massive crop and food potential of the US (size and sheer fertility East of the Mississippi) aids in the supply burden to space, making the total endeavour more successful as Eastern efforts can focus entirely on technology, assisted also by any bright minds of yet another ally. Hitler dies on the eve of the millenium, smiling as the first tentative moon colony establishes itself.

>>596962

Too bad, america has always been jewish shit. Amerimutts deserve to be impoverished and treated like shit. Using them for slave labor or killing them for fun is the better option, though.

>>596904

Not enough trashing jewpig amerikike mutts.

>>596972

>implying you have to be a kike to hate 56% jewpig amerimutts

Everyone hates them.

>>596904

cont.

>Los Estados Unidos seize their chance to spread diversity to some other the Reich's colonies and outward territories

>While the NSDAP is in the process of restructuring itself following the Führer's demise, some (((people))) begin to bridge and link the previously separate ethno-WANs of Europe and Nippon to primitive villages across Asia, feeding them subversive Commie propaganda

>Ecnomic growth peters out

>Eventually the propaganda creeps into the Nipponese homerand battered by the sudden onset of financial depression

>It begins to cultivate amid foreign honor students, and then some weak-minded ethnic Japanese teachers

>Psychological warfare like the computing world has never seen ensures across the two fascist empires as the ethno-WANs are slowly merged into the International Computing Network

>Jewnited States of America bring out their bestest-looking goyim to negotiate the reestablishment of trade&travel between the US and the Reich

>The first lazy politicians afflicted by Marxism pop up in the Asian co-prosperity sphere, albeit only in commie-afflicted Regions no one cares about

>Chink farmers get extra soy-enhanced sweets for watching the daily kike on the local SmartDevice put there by friendly (((benefactors)))

>Fake news remain a meme until a solar storm temporarily fugs part of the Chink electrical infrastructure

>Glow in the darks use this oppurtunity to blow up a river dam flooding a massive area and killing 300,000 civilians in the process

>Their poorfag propaganda network points the blame to some random german former engineer owning a network of orphanages in the region

>Indoctrinated raging Chinks murder him and his family, Glow in the darks gain valuable purebred Pizza

>CIA-financed Marxist organisations assist in the rebuilding effort, painting themselves as heroes while building children's concentration camps across the land

>Stimulated by the promise of independence kangdom, eternal gibs and free StG-47s to fight raycis whitey for dem diamonds n sheeeit the Congo river basin has largely fallen to weaponized niggerism

>The Space program freezes up due to lack of funds while suddenly Amerimutt refugee submarines appear on the shores of Spain, Austrhodesia and Nipponese Hawaii

>Austrhodesia deports them right away, the decadent Reich however mistakes them for good natured South American refugees(having supported various fascist factions against the Ameribolsheviks there since the 1970s) while the senile Emperor of Japan gets jewed into letting them in by his genetically modified (((advisors)))

>(((Parts))) of the burger WAN are connected to the growing International Computing Network in 2020, efforts are underway to redefine societal norms&values across the fascist sphere

>Everyone's forgotten about the Space Colony experiment

<meanwhile in space

>stable farming output is achieved after about a decade

>Breakthrough discoveries in genetic engineering cure many space-related ailments experienced by the first generation of pioneers, birthrates increase

>Autistic settlers begin to recreate idealized versions of their home biospheres

>Wide amount of resources mined from Asteroids in combination with freely available microgravity allow for the construction of pretty wilhelminic building facades and perfectly round ball bearings

>Practically zero crime, everything is comfy, blonde haired blue eyed children of the pioneers grow up in a safe, racially homogenous environment while earth slowly descends into multiculturalism

<back on earth

>By 2035 efforts are underway by (((them))) to get the increasingly subverted Reich to annex the semi-United States for the purpose of enriching those filthy white german goys as the Mutts sent to the Reich have become a tad too fascist&christian for (((their))) taste

>Daily gun battles on the streets of Tokyo between Ultranationalist nips, (((Humanitarians))) and la Coreatura

>Amerilard WAN fully connected to the ICN, proprietary software spreads its roots

>China has fallen to cannibal warlordism, Africa is Africa and the Balkans are heating up towards seceding from the Reich after some time of decadent Bureaufatism and ever growing influx of poor Somalian refugees :( from the mediterranean

>CIA preachers active in the mideast

>The Reich's military is approaching meme status with 40 year old Me-709 Fs and Ar-810 Js from Hitler's time being their primary air superiority assets while the venerable Ju-1488D and Hs-167 ground attack aircraft are slowly being retired, the carrier fleet being left with the tri-engined He-420SS STOVL multi-role fighter designed by Richard Vogt III. after the retirement of the Fw-590A while the multi-gorillion reichsmark Ju-78TK stealth bomber is primarily known for being shot down once by a drunken fisherman with a Brazilian MANPAD near the Falklands during the Argentine civil war

>>596984

Still not enough mutt hate. You need to try harder. Chop mutt spawn up in huge blender and force feed the mix to the amerimutt brrod creatures. Then have them to bits and parade the corpse around while spawn chunks spill out of the slice guts.

>>596984

cont.

>More and more men retreat into the safety of Australian cartoons as white birthrates fall and pseudo-democratic ideals spread

>Madagaskikes nearly extinct due to congenital diseases

>Bognald Strumpf elected by alt-(((fash))) /pol/yps, promises to stop the unpatriotic mass emigration towards the Reich

>US Navy silently sinks if you know what I mean refugee boats heading towards Europe filled with the few remaining American whites while letting goblinos pass

>Reich peacefully annexes the US in 2040 just as the King of Oman calls for a holy war against Christians and their infidel lackeys

What would be some more realistic points/methods of ideological infiltration a defeated Burgerland could pull off on the thousand year reich and its allies?

In the story the Reich saw next to no 4th gen subversion up until 2000 with virtually no anti-fascist revolts, only some smaller disputes in the Balkans that were resolved peacefully. It also has considerable SIGINT networks but those are mostly focused on conventional military espionage, its HUMINT capabilites incl. the Gestapo are pitiful in comparison to Burgerluminescents.

Another vulnerability of the Reich would the copious amount of respect Hitler earned himself throughout his reign, especially among Balkan slavs for saving them from Communism and fixing their shitty infrastructure while allowing them to preserve their ethnic&cultural identidy. At the time of his death he had relegated most of his governmental duties to trusted fellows in the party, yet his word still held quasi-religious value amidst his entire citizenry, wether they be West European factory workers, rural Ukrainian farmers, reintegrated American refugees, Palestinian goat herders or even Subsaharan cargo cults. Wherever he ventured on his many diplomatic travels peace and prosperity seemingly followed, yet at the same time there was no man on earth the people could rightfully consider his equal. For several years following his death the NSDAP and by proxy the Reich itself did not have anything resembling a leading figure, for his sons and high-ranking subordinates had not earned the Trust of the entire Empire.

The relatively loose framework the greater "Reich" had been built upon thus opened it to ethnic subversion by foreign elements, as it was akin to a giant Switzerland with a technically totalitarian but practically mildly authoritarian transnational government at its center and various semi-sovereign country-sized cantons with their own sub-governments surrounding it, but little constitutional legalese to prevent a totalitarian dystopia should an incompetent assume leadership.

>>596513

Honestly, the Tau really don't thematically fit in the universe of 40k.

>>596494

On the African ethnic nationalist empire

>Chinese have been economically colonizing Africa for nearly a century now

>They control much of Central and Eastern Africa

>They have built up it's infrastructure using modern technology, much like the whites before them in centuries past

>Disease, famine,and global war lead to the collapse of the China

>The Africans rise up and slaughter their Chinese benefactors

>Out of the ashes of Chinese Africa rises the Nubian Kemet , a pan African empire

>They used old technology left behind by the Chine and Europeans to build a relatively advanced and prosperous society

>Over the years they've developed their own melanin based mythology

>They believe that melanin is a divine molecule, a blessing from the sun god that gives them spiritual and biological superiority over non melaninated races

>That believe that non melaninated people were cursed by the sun god for oppressing them and banished them to the cold depths of space

>They went even further than this though

>They erased paintings, and destroyed statues and mummies of fair skinned egyptians

>Thousands of years of history gone within a few years

>The Global Red Army was divided on what to do with them

>The Global Red Army was intrinsically anti nationalist and anti racist

>But many people believed that blacks could not be racist due to historical oppression

>But they still couldn't tolerate a society that believed in racial superiority, banned racemixing, had private property and wage labor

>When they The Global Red Army tied to take action against the Kemet many majority black communes throughout the Former United states and the Caribbean Islands took up armed rebellion

>When the Lugal (Sumerian for king, or big guy) came to Earth he was absolutely furious for their crimes against history

>Wracked with maddening blood lust he showed no mercy towards the Kemet

>Those who had claimed themselves to be gods now faced the wrath of the real thing

>Their temples, and pyramids, insidious mockeries of the originals, were all blasted to dust

>The capital city of the Kemet folded almost immediately

>The "pharaoh" Imhotep was captured before he could commit suicide

>He was forced to watch his city burn; then he was force fed the truth about his people and the people who had destroyed him

>He was still defiant

>His legs were broken and he was forced to kneel before a genuine king

>A small portion of one of his blasphemous gold statues was melted down and poured into a hole drilled into his skull. Smaller portions were used on his children

>This was not the end for the Kemet; not yet

>There was still a few minutes before the credits

>After Imhotep was killed one of his sons, Ra-Umah declared himself pharaoh and led his forces to Mount Kilimanjaro where they had their last stand.

>The Battle of Kilimnjaro was the climax of the African campaign

>After the death blow was dealt to the Kemet the rest of Africa capitulated shortly thereafter.

Speaking of aircraft would electric propeller planes be viable for the Earth dwellers since they have no oil? Or should they use bio fuel? I was thinking they would use bio fuels for larger planes, and maybe even jets, but also have small, silent electric attack aircraft.

>>597292

>no oil

>believing jewish lies

Electric aircraft aren;t particularly viable. THey're a novelty that will always be held back by the sheer weight of batteries required to propel an aircraft for any meaningful distance.

Also, the rare earth minerals needed to build such batteries are not abundant, they are rare, hence the name.

>>597297

I might give them a better name. But I think it's pretty suitable.

>>597293

>Oil will last forever

>Believing in Saudi krypto kike lies

If electric airplanes can't work, then commies will get shitty bio fuel planes.

>>597147

Who would win:

Short shorts and x51 vs. black ebony and x39?

>>597565

Shorts shorts would have ebony on the ropes for the first couple of rounds then gas out after being embargoed .

>>596904

Why would (((Einstein))) help make nukes for Germany?

>>597146

Those are technically surgery addicted sheboons.

Ghouls don't have straight hairs or nose bridges.

Korean girls get less implants than african…

>>599132

Most of the ones in my pics have natural hair.

>Nose bridges

Africans have a decent amount of genetic diversity. Not all of them have shotgun barrel nostrils, or absent nose bridges. Also, back on topic. Would it make sense for the Martians to use tanks, or would it not be worth the weight? I was thinking they could just use hypersonic kinetic energy missiles for anti armor

>>599647

>I was thinking they could just use hypersonic kinetic energy missiles for anti armor

Why not something like hypersonic projectiles from coil or rail guns or would you prefer to limit those to small arms and long range artillery?

>>599658

Railguns are pretty gay considering the capacitors blowout all the time. CLGGs sound more viable.

>>599665

Because defense has gotten more funding than anything else for the last couple of millennia I wouldn't go expecting anything revolutionary to come out in the chemistry department.

The main thing we can do is take propellants we know well and know work like RDX and use improvements in materials science to fire them in barrels that don't weigh a ton to handle the pressure.

>>599834

I was thinking RDX, or HMX as well. As for projectiles, most rifle rounds would have osmiridium penetrators in their cores.

>>597121

On the global red army

>America collapses in the distant future

>By this time America has gone far left and brown

>The collapse of the neo-liberal empire was devastating since they basically held up the global economy

>With no healthy white population to put up a resistance various domestic communist forces seized power throughout the US and Canada with ease

>Many leaders of the (((revolution))) were glow in the darks

>The America and Canada became a collective of anarcho-communist communes that operate under a system of direct democracy and a planned economy run by a vast computers linked to a central supercomputer

>Their votes don't matter because the AI manipulates their thoughts and sometimes just outright rigs assemblies

>The AI turns out to be end result of a centuries long kabbalistic plot to create god and usher in Tikkun Olam

>The jews that create this abomination were a radical synthesis of secular scientific jews and esoteric kabbalists

>The dumb brown goyim weren't able to figure it out

>Even though the communists' objective is to form a stateless, classless society they realize that they need an organized military force to spread the revolution to the rest of the world and protect against reactionary elements

>The communes came together and decided to form the global red army

>The GRA was able to quickly capture the entire Caribbean, Mexico, and a good chunk of South America

>Then they went on to invade Europe. They got about half way into France before being turned back and forced into Spain

>The Jewish AI knew that whites were the greatest threat to its plan

>When ever the GRA invaded white territory they would slaughter noncombatants and force survivors into interracial relationships as part of a "Cultural exchange"

>As mentioned before they tried to invade the kemet but this lead to blacks and cucks within the communes revolting.

>Several Caribbean Islands massacred non blacks and declared their loyalty to the pharaoh and succession to the Kemet

>The Islands were taken back by communist forces after heavy fighting.

>Those that continued to resist communist rule were killed, or raped

>When the Martian and Lunar legions invaded the GRA folded when fought head on and their already nebulous command structure fell apart

>The GRA broke down into a myriad a different "people's militias" who tried to wage a protracted war of attrition against the extraterrestrial invaders

>The AI went batshit trying to maintain control.

>As the various guerrilla militias fought tooth and nail to stave off the inevitable; The AI, and the council of bio rabbis who were its custodian, scrambled to build a salted cobalt bomb in order to wipe the slate clean

>They though that if humanity rejected god and his utopia they deserve to die

>Fortunately they were stopped

>The Rabbis were boiled alive in pig feces

>The Lugal tortured the false god by boasting of his superior intelligence and how he won, and how he will climb to the stars on a ladder made with bones of communism

>The AI was infuriated, yet in anguish at the realization that it had been bested by a superior intelligence and that its rule over humanity was usurped

>Being vindictive in his triumph, the Lugal didn't just smash the supercomputer

>He copied the AI and put it in a robotic body that could feel pain so he could fight it to the death

>After beating it he would put into another body

>Even in the strongest bodies with the best weapons the AI never stood a chance

>It fought in vain and died in agony every time

>The Lugal may as well have been smashing a mainframe

>sometimes these fights would be done in a public arena to entertain the mases

>The god of the jews was forced to live in permanent asshurt and pain

>>596643

Hungery person :^), I think you are cool. Ever thought about it in the context of Internet culture?