/k/ - Weapons

first not waste my ammo just shooting at nothing

keep aiming at enemy, shoot if he tries to move

call for backup

if no backup, I know the enemy has no weapon, so advance on right side of cover to cover the weapon wall so he cannot get to it, then eliminate him

>what if he moves

If to weapon wall, he will be dead

If to other side of cover, just go around quickly to surprise him, but keep distance so I have reaction time so he cannot grab me

easy

>>593835

>lmao just advance and shoot him

dumb

>>593840

I make the nog my pointman. I tell him to pull his weapon first on the jeweller. I then shoot the nog, thus making me the hero and trustworthy to the big nosed diamond merchant. I tell the jeweller to go out the back and get the video of CCTV footage, explaining to him that it will be needed by the cops and my lawyers. He does this while I ring the cops for him, as a good citizen does. He comes back. I tell him to wait out the front for the cops, and I will wait on the ground because I am armed and I don't want to scare the cops. I then rip off my trench coat. Underneath, I'm in a gucci dress. I quickly put cosmetic make up on, and then adorn myself with millions of dollars in fantastic gold trinkets, necklaces, and shiny rocks walking out of the shop dressed like a drag queen. The cops, having recently had a civil law suit against them by three other "drag queens" (my partners in crime and pre-robbery demoralization operation), let me freely walk by not wanting any more trouble from lawsuits and the media. I then sell the diamonds on a TOR dark market under the name diamond_diva_2000.

>>593876

Tell me more.

Lets move towards platoon/company size combat.

Let's start with an important real world example of a real location in Germany, a spot along the Fulda gap, leading straight towards a small (west)German town.

For anyone who wants to take a look at some more map data of the area, the coordinates are : 51°11'22.3"N 10°08'44.6"E

It's a relatively thin valley with a river running through it from east to west. The river is not very wide, but runs fast and deep most of the year.

The hills on both sides of the valley are covered in thick forests with few unpaved paths going through them. The hills on both sides are roughtly 50 meters taller than the bottom of the valley. They are quite steep. The trees are more than 90% tall evergreens without low branches.

The river does a bend through the valley, it starts out in the south east, goes north west, does it's turn and ends up in the south west of the valley. It comes very close to the northern hills. There are many smaller lakes between the river and the southern hills though. There is a paved road leaving from east to west along the southern hill.

The vegetation in the valley consists of many open wheat fields on the enemy side, and a lot of dense shrubbery and deciduous trees with long hanging branches around the lakes and along the main road.

The enemy force will most likely consist of a reinforced category A (1970) armoured company. Due to bad weather the enemy has no air support, but they do have a large amount of artillery at their disposal too.

Friendly forces are

2xinfantry platoon each with:

-standard infantry weaponry

-1xAT rocket launcher (reloadable, 6 shots in total, absolute max range 600m)

-1xMG 7.62mm (absolute max range 800m)

-overall manpower of 42 men

1xheavy weapon platoon with:

-3xMG 7.62mm

-4xAT rocket launchers (reloadable, 12 shots total)

-overall manpower of 42 men

1xLeopard 2A1 MBT

No direct fire air support is available due to bad weather (no BRRRRT). Only air support available will unguided bombs dropped from high altitude with at least 30 seconds from release to impact (plus the time it takes for the pilot to punch in coordinates and actually perform the attack).

The weather is rainy, very low hanging cloud ceiling (barely 50m above the hills to both sides), but warm (25°C) and very humid. It is expected to be a very foggy morning the next day. Weather reports for any time after that are vague. Wind speeds at high and low altitude are negligible.

Where would you place your troops? Where do you think the enemy would attack? Would you order your troops to build fortifications out of the trees and risk the enemy seeing your forces from afar (and engage them using their artillery), or would you tell them to conceal their positions as much as possible and wait for the enemy to come closer? You can always put recon positions further towards the east if you like to, but that runs the risk of them getting discovered and potentially interrogated.

>>594311

Questions:

>What year does this scenario take place? The 2A1 suggests mid-80's

>Assuming these are Russians we're fighting, does that mean the enemy force consists of over a dozen tanks?

>Why specifically the blue line, as opposed to simply holding the town?

>Do we have a specific time to hold out before relief arrives?

>The time from release to impact for bombs suggests aircraft can descend no lower than 14,000ft, correct?

Unless I've misunderstood some things, I'm not entirely optimistic about holding over a dozen tanks off with one of my own and a couple dozen RPGs.

>>594311

Did a quick half-assed job on it. Basically deploy all the troops on these mountains. Light infantry squads should be tasked with boobbbytrapping every accessible path on the mountain that may lead to their position or flanks. After they're done with that they should go full-guerilla mode and annoy enemy forces until they're all dead or out of ammunition.

The Leopard should be deployed at the foot of the hill where it will have both camouflage, hard cover and a nice wide view of the entire valley, killing any enemy vehicle that comes into it's sights. MGs should e deployed behind rocks or other cover where they too have a clean view of the entire valley and suppress any troops that try to cross.

AT troops (Marked them as X) should be the only ones actually in the valley/fields. They are the last resort to stop enemy tanks in case the Leopard is taken out.

This might be a retarded plan but hey, that's what I would do. If I were to deploy these men in the field it would be a slaughter. And I'm not putting them in the town because there are still civilians in there.

>>594403

Alright. I have assumed that the areas to the North and South are secured by other units that will hold out roughly the same amount of time. My Leo will be placed on the Northwestern side of the Southern hill, likely somewhere along the L3244. It will be camouflaged to the best of our ability and dug in to a hull-down position if that is practical. It's primary purpose will to engage enemy armor that attempts to cross the open 'Killzone'. It should not engage unless a high probability for a kill is presented, to maximize the amount of time before the enemy can ascertain it's position. Alternatively, it could proceed east along the L3244 and aggressively engage the enemy before falling back, but this seems too risky to me.

The Infantry will be split into three groups, Alpha through Charlie. Charlie will remain in reserve until the engagement develops and it can be determined where best to utilize them.

Alpha will dig in on the Southern hill. They should create fortifications that allow them to weather artillery bombardment, although I understand that sustained fire will likely make that a moot point. Their primary purpose in the engagement will be to hold their position and thus prevent the Leo from being flanked by anti-tank infantry. Their secondary purpose is to coordinate with the Leo and air units the movement of enemy units without exposing those assets to enemy fire. Their position can be greatly improved if the bridge to Wanfried can be destroyed, so early airstrikes would attempt to do so. Even if successful, I must assume that the enemy has at least some amphibious APCs and can thus cross the river. Combating these river crossing with AT launchers would likely be difficult without taking fire from enemy armor across the river and out of range. If the bridge is not destroyed and Alpha is likely to fall early, Charlie may be sent to reinforce them.

Bravo will be tasked with the Northern hill. This I see has the more difficult position to hold. Enemy spotters would not need to advance far to have a LOS to my armor and thus could begin directing effective artillery fire. Pushing up with Bravo would be dangerous, as enemy armor would be able to support infantry within the trees from a position of relative safety. In all likelihood they would be forced back to the crest of the hill and be forced to fight from there. Assuming the bridge into Wanfried is destroyed, Charlie would likely reinforce them.

Assuming that one of our two defensive positions begins to fall, attempts will be made to fall back to the town of Frieda. If the Leo managed to use all it's main gun ammo without dying, it will be sent to the West to fight another day.

>>594410

I considered placing my AT troops in the marshes, but it seemed too likely that the enemy would dismount infantry to sweep them beforehand.

Looking at how the river creates two extremely narrow areas (less than 50 meters wide) to the north and south of the valley, I would place MGs and AT rocket launchers in the hills and tree lines so that they can target those areas and lock them down.

The remaining infantry form up in the hills to prevent the enemy infantry from scaling them and flanking around our forces.

There is this narrow and fairly long cut in the hill on the southern side, which creates a perfect line of fire at the northern killzone and covers some of the wider area near the southern one. Ensuring that no enemy infantry can reach that position is important to the tank's survival, so reinforcing the southern flank with infantry would be more important than the northern ones.

The bad weather will likely make these longer range engagements difficult to impossible though, so moving the tank up closer to L3224 may be necessary depending on the situation.

My plan revolves around the enemy not coming through the hills, but even if they do decide to come through the hills, they will still have to go uphill against a prepared enemy force, through muddy ground. It's not ideal, but it could work.

>>594408

Some fire wood, a mechanic's workshop, lots of dried and/or frozen food. Lots of clothing, furniture and whatnot.

The buildings are built from solid bricks, which can stop 5.56x45mm from medium ranges and 7.62x51mm from medium to long ranges.

All of the buildings have a cellar and most of them use oil for heating, so if you want to start a fire, you probably can do so without crashing a plane.

All civilian vehicles are currently in use for evacuation purposes.

You probably don't have the time to make fertilizer bombs. You could take some of the shells from the Leo and bury them if you really wanted to, or rig up some of the AT rockets into mines if you know what you are doing. I personally wouldn't dare to cut one of those open.

>>594424

An interesting idea, I like the way you are thinking. The enemy would probably have to drive their tanks along the norther bank of the river, which has a much narrower path, that is also not paved. As soon as the tanks have roughened up the ground the infantry moving alongside and behind them will have a hard time trying to keep up with the tanks through the mud.

I highly doubt that they would drive their tanks into the hills. Sure, it's possible, but the hills are fairly steep and with the wet ground the heavy vehicles may have issues with the paths there.

>>594410

The "marshes" in the valley aren't marshes. They are proper lakes. I got some like them close to the place I live. They dig large holes to mine gravel, transport all of it away, and just leave the holes behind to be filled with rain/ground water.

I am inclined to believe that someone had the placement in this valley was neither coincidental nor accidental.

I like how you hide the leo around the corner. You would get some good side shots on any vehicle that gets close to the town.

>>594413

I like the way you split up the infantry. Keeping a reserve force as backup is always a good idea, but how would you transport them

>>594553

>/k/ommandos riding into battle in civilian tractors ,scooters, taxis and ladas

What vehicles would you take to the frontier if you went back in time to the wild west? It's a decent sized machine.

>>594607

/k/ successfully nigger rigging civilian vehicles into weapons of war? It's more likely than you may think!

How would you survive the raft?