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>>590142

So both terms are now meaningless?

>>590155

>Alcibiades

His entire existence, fame and everything he ever stood for doesn't even worth a single hair from Themistocles's balls.

>Field Marshal Bernard Law 'Rommel Killer' Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, KG, GCB, DSO, PC, DL

Although I will admit that despite his exemplary campaign in North Africa he made a rather basic error during Market Garden Assuming that the Burgers would do what they said they would

>>590170

If only it weren't for that (((accident))).

>>590157

>he made a rather basic error during Market Garden Assuming that the Burgers would do what they said they would

And not trusting the Dutch Resistance. Must have gotten them mixed up with the bloody Belgians or something (granted an easy mistake to make).

>>590533

I need to look this guy up

>>590542

There's a few of them, all generally referred to as "Scipio"

Take care not get them confused. Look for timelines

>>590375

That tends to happen when you let jews into countries

>>590533

They were made famous in africa and were ended in africa

>>590542

B. H. Liddell Hart's biography about him is a great read, in particular about Scipio's actions outside of battle shoring up his military strength. Hart gets a little too fanboyish at times, but at least it's for a great general.

>>590680

Dang it man Im getting feels remembering when Rome got canceled.

>>590181

my man!

some info about organisation and tactics:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/matthaywood/main/Hussite_Tactics_and_Organisation.htm

>>590533

> renowned for killing carthaginian niggers.

[LAUGHS IN HANNIBAL BARCA]

>>590678

They were already here just in crypto format tbh

>>590375

What is John Churchill giving a stick to a cave man supposed to symbolize?

>>591033

It's Hercules submitting to John Churchill.

>>591688

except Lee is the one who fucked it all up at Gettysburg.

>>602332

TÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖTÖÖÖÖÖÖBÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖRRRGGGG!

>>602338

Now that's cool as shit.

>>602332

I will gain the trust of my foe whom completely out matches me and use his misplaced confidence in me to lure him into a trap.

>Great commander and general

Or wee scheming bitch?

>>602353

Politics and war are inseparable. The point is he wiped out three legions and hundred of auxiliaries and cavalry with an objectively inferior force in numbers manpower and skill while sustaining only minor losses. After that he went head to head against Germanicus and prevented him from making significant progress in reasserting control.

>>602349

http://harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/Medieval/Siegfried.htm

>Famous twentieth-century researchers such as the University of Bonn's classical philologist Ernst Bickel and the Viennese specialist in the Old Norse Eddas, Otto Höfler, retraced the development of these epic poems and discovered that their hero, Siegfried, is indeed the figure whose Latin name has come down to us as Arminius.

>As explained in S. Fischer-Fabian's book, Die ersten Deutschen: Über das rätselhafte Volk der Germanen (Bergisch Gladbach: Verlagsgruppe Lübbe GmbH & Co. KG, 1975, 2003), pp. 328f., these researchers have extracted a series of striking correspondences, among them the following:

>Siegfried was murdered by his wife's relatives - as was Arminius, since the propinqui (“kin”) of Tacitus can only mean the clan of his father-in-law, Segestes.

>Siegfried slew a dragon (Fáfnir), but so also did Arminius, for whom the “dragon” was the serpentine, 20-kilometer-long, Roman army column.

>Siegfried grew up in Xanten on the lower Rhein: Xanten was the location of the location of the ancient Roman Castra Vetera (“Old Camp”), the powerful Roman stronghold to which the remnants of Varus' army had fled after the debacle;

>Siegfried was suckled by a doe and died like a deer pursued by hunters: Arminius belonged to the tribe of the Cheruskans, a name derived from the Germanic word-stem herut “deer, hart.” (In Latin, “ch” was the spelling used to render the Germanic voiceless palatal and velar fricatives, which sounded like the “ch” in modern German “Chemie” or the “g” in Spanish “gente.” Cf. the mead-hall named heorot or “Hart's Hall,” in the Old English epic, Beowulf. This word is also the ancestor of modern English hart.)

>Siegfried was the son of the king Sigemund, while Arminius' father was called Sigimer (Latin form: Segimer).

>Siegfried fought with the dragon on the Gnitaheiðr (the Rocky Heath or “rock-strewn, gravelly plain” - cf. New Norwegian gnita “broken piece, shard” and Swedish dialectal , gnitu, “crumb, particle”), while Arminius defeated the Romans on the Gnidderhöi, the Knetterheide (Knetter Heath in the vicinity of Schötmar southeast of Herford (which itself is northeast of Bielefeld in northwestern Germany), suspected of being one of the locations where the three-day battle with Varus took place.

>>602361

Im not saying he wasn't successful, but it's like saying that the Greeks took Troy through military prowess or that the Persian victory at thermopile was a credit to their generals.

>>602361

The bigger question is what we consider to be the traits of a great general.

Martial prowess and tactical skill along with rape trains like the Khan?

Tactical finesse and maneuver like Von Manstein, Rommel, etc?

Napoleon and his strategic vision for Europe? Also lol logistics. He obviously didn't learn the lesson of the Pensular war

Marshal and his organization of the army?

Zhukov and his determination to waste millions of men in sledgehammer attacks instead of a fucking tool suited to the situation

Cao Cao cause lol muh Political backstabbing?

Zhou Yu for lol muh napalm and intrigue also dying of a fucking anger lol?

Yue Fei and his undying (((loyalty))) Actually its just getting cucked.

These are obviously just examples and are not limiting

>>602361

Isn't the Roman army column = serpentine a bit of a stretch? Otherwise, it's a pretty good explanation.

>>602377

Have you read Art of War?

>>602361

*hundreds

>>602380

It is a proven feature of legends they often turn mundane challenges into fantastical monsters.

>>602380

The goal was to shitpost damnit! Damn you! Die of anger in the sterotypical hacking and coughing up blood

Some shitty but hilariously funny or sad stories below.

Sun Tzu and his family in a nutshell

>Sun Tzu writes Art of War

>Dies, useless bastard

>Sometime later Sun Jian in the later Han dynasty becomes a warlord

>Dies to a arrow to the back

>Son succeeds him

>Some marries one of the most beautiful women noted in Chinese history

>Son dies in legend because of hunting trip illness/ killing a fortune teller who's vengeful spirit comes back

>In reality its' probably cause Sun Ce and Zhou Yu were running an earlier version of Dallas buyers club

>His elderst alive brother suceeds him

>incapable fuck.jpg

>Can't fucking make Wu more powerful

>No understanding of court politics

>No understanding of military strategy

>MFW greatest crowing achievement is living the longest in the three kingdoms

>Be reading traditional Chinese text

>Qinshihuang is good tactician

>Whut

>Unites "China" proper by giving bounties to solders (and promotions) based on heads collected

>Everyone gets scared of muh dindu horde

>Dynasty overthrown cause muh Stalin styled imperial government kills everyone

<MFW they call him and his successors "Great statesmen"

>The story of Yue Fei's cuckholdery

>Jin being assraping Song cause the song cant into war

>Yue Fei tattoos a fucking "To serve one's country" on his fucking back

>Goes and fights the Jin for 90% of his life

>About to murder the Jin

>Qin Hui and the emperor suddenly decide he's too powerful

>Send him back to the imperial city

>His generals plead for him to revolt

>The people plead for him to revolt

>MFW this motherfucker goes back without a fight like any sensible person would

>Gets thrown in prison

>Nobody in the court deems him guilty cause muh tattoo on muh fucking honor

>Emperor asks for Qin Hui's opnion

>Dies to the reply of "perhaps not" in omitting treason

<And Chinese venerate him as a statesman and politician

Most hilarious is the Cao Wei and Jin (The one after the Han Dynasty and three kingdoms)

>Be Cao Pi

>Marry a woman

>Get a child

>Can't get any more children that are actually compitent (read: Not retarded)

>Son becomes crown prince

>Later figure out he got cucklholded cause her pregnancy timed would send him at the war front without her

>Order's his wife to go kill herself for being a SJW

>Too late son can be removed from crown prince cause muh tradition

>Dies of some disease later on (Cancer?)

>Son ascends to the throne and empowers the man who's children will overthrow the dynasty

Story of the Jin

>Be some random guy with no imperial linage

>Have lots of sons like muh dindus

>Usurp the emepror cause lol Shu and Wu are idiots

>Empower all the relatives

>Multiple civil wars cause muh relatives want the throne (ex: War of the Eight Princes)

>One of the historians write about the Sima yi (The grandfather of the first Jin Emperor) being a cold, heartless bastard who looked smiley.

>Current emperor states: If our ancestor was without morals as so, then how can we last as a country?

>End up becoming fractured states saying , we wuz kangz.

>>602422

Finally, story of Water Margin heroes

>Story is written in Yuan dynasty

>Actually its because the author is using the Song to criticize the Yuan

>Somehow gets past publication

>Story of Lin Chong

>Supposedly takes his wife up there with the Bandits

>Multiple secondary source note that lost copies has his wife cuckholding him One even alleges regular gangbangs while he was sleeping soooo

>Is hailed as virtuous

Also Water margin is literally why don't trust the goverment 101.

>>602443

>Clothes so uncomfortable no normal person could touch them.

Fuck you leaf, my sides

>>602434

Although he doesn't seem to be a good strategist, it's true that he seems to be the kind of man who could lead an expedition to hell. And for that you have to be a bloody good commander.

>>602452

>recoiling their finger as if they had just been cut

Fucking hell. Just make his clothes sewn out of fucking shrapnel lol

Zuo Zongtang is a chink one semi worth mentioning.

>Supressed the Taiping rebellion

>Was decent at politics

>Managed to retain Xinjiang despite the Qing being in a state of continous clusterfuckery this is why you don't let dindu minorities run a nation

>Fixed some argricultural problems

>Tried to promote traditional Chinese cultural values but at the same time take what was good in the Western values he sought

THIS IS WHAT THE WEST NEEDS TO LEARN. BIASED "MTICULTURALISM"

>Created the Fujian shipyard (First "Modern" Chinese shipyard)

<Responsible for the warlord era basicly

It's a shame he's so unrecognized by most Chinese considering the fact that he is basicly responsible for attempting to modernize china in a sea of backward ass long hair braided barbarians. We also share a hometown

>>602353

The Romans were scheming jews that betrayed and double crossed every people they encountered

>>602338

his german name is Hermann tho

>>602597

>Why is there no movie about this glorious bastard?

Cause he isnt a jew who slaughtered unarmed nazis with a baseball bad :^)

What the fuck was going on in WW1 that produced these madmen. We've never seen people like this since, was it just the pent up warrior spirit finally being unleashed? Will that happen again here soon when people collectively get tired of the status quo?

>>602670

Dehumanize your enemies then war becomes a thing of duty and fun. Up until the day he died my grandfather never saw any sort of communist as human and had a grand time doing SF shit in Vietnam and neighboring countries.

>>602391

Really? Then why don't you, you shitposting faggot.

>>602670

Of course it will happen. A big civil war where only the losers are punished for war crimes will see both sides reacquaint themselves with innate savagery.

>>602640

Wasn't that a mistranslation by Martin Luther, and not his real name?

>>602707

The whole Great Northern War was basically Charles XII winning while extremely outnumbered and with shitty terrain on their side. At least until he headed to Moscow.

>>602670

I think first world war essentially killed off a whole archetype of humans from most of the western europe.

Who were the ones that joined and went first to the front(s) when the war broke out? Basically everyone with spine, courage and sense of duty, plus the slightly mad. And they died. And holy fuck, if their bloodlines did not die off in that war, then they died off in the next world war.

And thus, we are now at a situation where courageous men with a stern spine and taste for adventure are a outright anomaly, instead of being a relatively normal human archetype in western countries as it seemed to be in pre-world war west.

>>602707

Gustav Adolph of Sweden deserves a special mention

>reforms military

>lol what the fuck we need big guns for, bring more dakka to the front lines

>holy shit we can make infantry even more shooty by drilling them and getting them better dakka

>"War must pay for itself"

>becomes so efficient at making money at the front during 30 years war, that despite his army growing almost constantly, the strain on Swedish budget eases

>dies because of bugged weather mechanics

>>602716

>dies because of bugged weather mechanics

Never change Mongolia, never change.

>>602716

What ever happened to that Swedish spirit? It used to be the Swedes would fight to the last Finn before even considering retreat.

>>602708

I am confused please elaborate.

>>602765

Are you okay?

>>602711

its dont

He is either called Arminius or Hermann der Cherusker

>>602822

The name Arminius comes from the gem Armenium which is currently known as Azuryite. The mineral has a blue color which refers to Arminius's German blue eyes. This origin is more likely than the other theory that his name was Erminaz because his brother had a Roman name too Flavus which mean blonde in Latin.

>>602361

Look to that post for more information.

>>602811

You overdosed on the black pill good job.

>>602811

It's macro images all over again. Normalfags are the world's foremost problem.

>>602716

When you here old veterans like Enoch powell talk about the war in later years they always say that all of our best men died somewhere in a trench.

>>602338

Norse mythology is interesting because it's recent enough that you can compare a lot of the myths with the historical events and figures that inspired it. Dietrich von Bern = Theoderic the Great, Atli = Atilla the Hun, Kjarr = one of the Roman Emperors(can't remember which one) etc.

>>602914

Nice strawman you have there.

>>603095

This isn't a "People who did nothing wrong" thread

>>603127

wait but we're both anonmooses.

>>603012

Ain't a strawman. Optimism is cowardice.

>>603095

Was he actually a convicted child molester? I can see the penal battalion doing some bad shit executing jews isn't bad or historically accurate but I haven't ever seen anything good about him besides my German friend's testimony.

>>603143

You said yourself you are not okay. Emotionally vulnerable people like you get depressed when they learn many unpleasant truths and become cynics which means they assume unpleasant information is true because it is unpleasant.

Huge respect for Philips the Great/Alexander the Great for basically inventing THE army template to win war.

>>603400

They had a form of military to beat the Persians of course. Then came the Carthagians who wrecked that style of warfare and the Romans learned from them.

>>603441

Huh what? I'm talking about the macedonian phalanx supported by companion cavalry and hypaspists at flanks, as well as screened by archers and peltasts.

This is the winning tactical army deployment right there, and later on late medieval/renaissance army brought back this army composition when they re-learned hellenic tactics.

>>603441

As far as I remember, the only war between an Alexander style army and the Carthaginians was Pyrrhus' war in Sicily against the Carthaginians. And he threw them into the sea and was about to invade Carthage itself when the Sicilian Greeks betrayed him. The Romans had already developed the legionary manipular system around the time of the Samnite wars, before they ever fought Pyrrhus or the Carthaginians.

>>603457

Macedonian style army does rekt the roman in direct confrontation and only lose due to lack of logistics as well as uneven terrain, and even bad politics.

>>603459

The Romans copied what the Carthagians used to defeat their phalanxes and used it against the Greeks. Of course the Romans had immense advantages in logistics and numbers but there good reasons the Romans abandoned the phalanx.

>>603457

If I am correct which I may not be as I know only a little about this antiquity stuff the Romans had formations that were much like phalanxes before the punic wars.

>>603477

Romans never did pike phalanx, they adopted greek hoplite phalanx with normal spear, so it's not comparable.

It's arguable they were shit in their organization somehow that their phalanx was broken by gaul infantry charge, or the uneven terrain in hilly Italy makes it hard to form phalanx.

>>603480

I see. I supposed I was getting the two confused then.

>>603480

Why was it that the Romans never copied the pike phalanx if it was superior?

>>603482

I dunno, maybe because roman legionnaire works and that they have enough logistics for it to function. Not to mention, they have mercenaries to fill in any gaps.

Again, tactics is nice and all but logistics is king.

>>603484

Did the Romans have any pike phalanx auxillaries?

>>603486

Not that I know of, actually.

>>603733

whos that fag

>>603748

Look at the file name

>>602811

But musical ear rape is awesome

What would have happened if Napoleon had made it to the New world?

What would have happened if be brought his loyal supporters with him to become citizens of America?

>>603095

>>603121

>>603163

is there a book bout Dirlewanger and his unit that isn't lopsided moralizing and hand-wringing? I'm interested in partisan and anti-partisan warfare.

>>605629

No. Just find something on Anti-partisan units.

>>605643

Ain't even cheating, darth breaks itself if you manage to obtain all the trade posts and hold India. The income is insane from that even with a vanilla ETW holding india alone is pure profit.