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There's no discharge in the war!

File: f1f632d87c928b7⋯.jpg (86.58 KB, 617x463, 617:463, Colombia-Air-Force_A-29B-S….jpg)

db7d2b No.588802

For all those faggots that were screaming for the Tucano and its shoddy record to be some sort of light close air support aircraft (instead of something like an F-5 but with more loiter time) here you go.

Br build quality. Not even once.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/06/air-force-light-attack-test-aircraft-crashes-on-bomb-range-killing-pilot/

http://archive.li/S2CsC

it might work better if they used the Short built version by the brits

44b44c No.588824

>>588802

>it might work better if they used the Short built version by the brits

The Short Tucano is laughably underpowered, it can barely carry half a ton and is almost 100km/h slower than the Super.

Hopefully now the USAF will do the sane thing for once and adopt the AT-6.


9ed478 No.588825

File: 523bdd743945921⋯.webm (3.54 MB, 640x360, 16:9, AFD-101210-080.ogv.360p.webm)

>shoddy record

>The Super Tucano has a safety record previously blemished by only two crashes since entering operation in 2003.

Doesn't this happen every time all but the most blatant cases of pilot error occur? People come rushing out to claim this incident proves that their favorite solution to a problem is the correct one?


8e6461 No.588828

File: 45142bf2c937c04⋯.png (202.28 KB, 500x310, 50:31, ClipboardImage.png)

>>588802

I guess you could say, it bombed!


db7d2b No.588829

>>588825

>two

https://thediplomat.com/2016/02/deadly-indonesia-military-plane-crash-kills-4/

http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/noticias/0,,OI1528322-EI8139,00-FAB+vai+investigar+acidente+que+matou+piloto+em+RR.html

http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/brasil/2012-07-07/aviao-da-fab-cai-e-piloto-morre-em-campo-grande.html

There are more brazilian articles but they're lost to time.

The Columbian one is rather interesting since it was just shot down by ground fire, something insurgents do have the ability to pull off.

>>588824

You can upengine it, the argument is against Brazilian build quality, not the concept of the aircraft itself.


44b44c No.588833

>>588829

The Colombians claim that their plane never actually got hit, instead they're claiming that the airframe broke up during evasive maneuvers.


db7d2b No.588835

>>588833

That's even worse


d90b97 No.588852

>>588833

So maneuver kill? :^)

>flying Taurus meme.png


06c318 No.588869

File: 3e15fda0675c9ec⋯.png (350.88 KB, 640x480, 4:3, dubsattachment.png)

>>588802

>one crash out of hundreds built

>crash is still under investigation

OP is a faggot, once again.


2b96fe No.588906

File: 3f3c42bc9552aaa⋯.jpg (35.67 KB, 362x346, 181:173, kaguya question.jpg)

>>588824

Would up-engined P-47s with modern avionics be suitable COIN/light CAS aircraft in this day and age?


fdf5c9 No.588910

File: 056d46a5a35b439⋯.jpg (162.22 KB, 1280x838, 640:419, P-38_over_california.jpg)

File: d157aaec525687e⋯.jpg (31.23 KB, 678x381, 226:127, Planes-Of-Fame-P38-Lightni….jpg)

>>588906

Some anon suggested a turbo-prop P-38 built with modern day materials being a good alternative to other turboprops due to the carry load and speed tbh, I would love to see it.


fe841b No.588919

>>588910

P-38 is heavy and costly to fly, exact opposite of what the program is aiming for. With design like that it will not be any cheaper to fly than A-10.


50e5c2 No.588920

>>588910

>built with modern day materials

This meme needs to fucking stop.

You can't just take a piece of wood and replace it with aluminium. Aluminium is soft as fuck and can't bear repetitive loads. Wood is a directed material, meaning that it can only withstand forces in a specific direction. Aluminium is only slighly directional, depending on the way it was hardened.

Replacing a piece of wood with aluminium would require you to rework the structure around those facts. Your new support structure can suddenly take forces in all directions somewhat equally, but it requires more vibration reduction.

Replacing aluminium with fiber reinforced plastics works the exact opposite way around. Carbon fiber is SUPER directional, meaning that even a few degrees off fiber direction it can only take a tiny fraction of the maximum force along fiber direction. It's even worse than wood in that respect. However most fiber reinforced plastics are very resistant to repetitive forces.

You can easily drive a screw into wood, you can't do that with fiber reinforced plastics, you can easily use bolts to connect aluminium, you can't do that with either wood or reinforced plastics.

Some shapes are completely impossible to produce with reinforced plastics.

All of these different properties have to be taken into account when (re)designing any machine. Picking the material you want to use comes far earlier than deciding on the shape of the part, and far far earlier than deciding which attachment methods you want to use with the other components.


b1ddfe No.588928

>>588920

Don't you understand, Germany? "Modern materials" is a get out of gaol free card, when played it allows you to get away with saying any dumb shit and makes anyone who disagrees a lockmart shill!


c3a19f No.588937

File: 0df7907cb74508f⋯.jpg (103.64 KB, 640x775, 128:155, 0df7907cb74508f175adac1299….jpg)

>>588920

What if you genetically engineer your own modern wood that is both lighter and stronger?


50e5c2 No.588940

>>588937

You don't need to bio-engineer anything. There are already plenty of types of trees in the world for you to pick from.

Wood isn't by any means "outdated", it's simply difficult to use with modern safety and longevity standards. It also depends a lot more on production quality than on the engineering.

You can design the safest and most amazing bridge out of wood and wood alone, but if the guy who actually has to build it fucks up the measurements, or doesn't properly join the pieces, then it will collapse.

Constructions out of ferro-concrete or aluminium don't require nearly as much personal skill on the level of the manufacturers, to the point where most welding jobs are being automated nowadays.


9eab29 No.588947

File: 0a570793b2e8ed1⋯.jpg (97.67 KB, 960x643, 960:643, B67b8Ug.jpg)

>one crash out of hundreds built

>crash is still under investigation

OP is a faggot, once again.


b35503 No.588955

>>588802

>one of the hundreds in production fell

Don't wanna sound like a monkey apologist or nothin' but wow_it's_fucking_nothing.jpg.


2a7bc4 No.588958

File: 7a1a6e44857f790⋯.png (9.4 KB, 500x300, 5:3, What am I doing with my li….png)

>>588910

If we're rebuilding twin engine ww2 aircraft for modern CAS then why would you pick the P38 over the infinitely sexier Mosquito? The lower stall speed and greater payload would make it far more flexible (as shown by the original production run) and with modern engines its relatively modest top speed of 200 Mph would be increased as well. If we're going to stick to reality then modern factories would be able to produce the wooden airframe at a fraction of the cost of comparable size metal aircraft.


b35503 No.588960

>>588920

Replace wood with composites instead of aluminium. Most carbon based shit have predictably more similar properties to wood than metal without being anisotropic clusterfuck puzzles.


5ac9b3 No.588979

File: 0c3ac1dd46b6288⋯.png (1.63 MB, 1024x768, 4:3, ClipboardImage.png)

>>588958

That's because fags don't know shit about aircraft and don't even know about planes like the Whirlwind


2a7bc4 No.588982

>>588979

The Whirlwind is a beautiful piece of flying FUCKYOU! but it's probably better to stick with the larger payload of the Mosquito, it could work very well as a 2nd line utility aircraft too (one of the original 1940s productions was fitted with 1st gen radar equipment, so it can carry bulky + heavy shit).


8a7eab No.589006

File: 506b9b88bed1e8d⋯.png (2.77 MB, 1837x1080, 1837:1080, ClipboardImage.png)

>>588906

>>588910

No Bronco love?


f12974 No.589018

>>588920

Even if you did have materials with the right strength, lower weight, and reasonable cost, it doesn't change the fact that you'd still have to redesign the entire aircraft from scratch, down to the dimensions of the airframe.

Any attempt to create a fully modernized P-38 would get you nothing more than a modern plane that looks somewhat like a P-38.


44b44c No.589023

File: faf279c9fae07b4⋯.jpg (200.73 KB, 1024x670, 512:335, Sud-Ouest_(SNCASO)_SO.8000….jpg)

If we're going with 40s meme designs, I'd suggest pic related.

>speed, climb rate and bomb load comparable to a P-38L despite having a single engine of comparable power

>pusher design and short nose give better visibility than most trainers and observation planes

>engine is positioned in such a way that you could basically just drop in a modern turboprop for massive weight savings


2b96fe No.589025

File: 371973ade246e10⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 429.4 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, 1_72_j7w_shinden_viii_by_z….jpg)

If you could resume production of any WW2 aircraft upgraded with modern tech and materials:^) for military use doesn't have to be CAS in CY+3 which would you pick /k/?

Would it even be worth the effort?


2a7bc4 No.589032

File: 9d2ebca291598a1⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 22.26 KB, 400x300, 4:3, This kills the Kriegsmarin….jpg)

>>589025

>Would it even be worth the effort?

Why do you have to be so boring Germany?


c3a19f No.589048

File: 05aa2b77816037b⋯.jpg (59.06 KB, 800x522, 400:261, lippisch_p_13a_by_tr4br-d3….jpg)

>>589025

Lippisch or nothing!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lippisch_P.13a

>As conventional fuels were in extremely short supply by late 1944, Lippisch proposed that the P.13a be powered by coal. Initially, it was proposed that a wire-mesh basket holding coal be mounted behind a nose air intake, protruding slightly into the airflow and ignited by a gas burner. Following wind-tunnel testing of the ramjet and the coal basket, modifications were incorporated to provide more efficient combustion.


044385 No.589059

>>589048

There's a lippisch design which used two pulsejets to bring it up to speed, and then it switches to a central ramjet.

It just had a blunt metal nose which was supposed to ram into an enemy.


082685 No.589060

>>589059

Between shit like this and Hitler's hard-on for massive tanks I'm beginning to wonder if the 3rd Reich wasn't just Mekboyz covered in purple paint.


e97f8c No.589063

File: 8bc44677cb96061⋯.jpeg (295.82 KB, 1800x1156, 450:289, 1_Lto0DklDd68rXcH1el3uNw[….jpeg)


444b4e No.589110

File: bd531f947cadfc2⋯.webm (515.38 KB, 706x518, 353:259, brote laugh.webm)

>The Super Tucano is made by the same company that made the plane from TDKR


f34b6d No.589119


f34b6d No.589121

>>588869

>>588947

>>588955

>defending apes this hard

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?AcType=E314

14 incidents for just the Super Tucano (a variant of the Tucano)

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?AcType=TUCA

57 incidents for the base Tucano (which is close to TEN FUCKING PERCENT OF THEM MADE) with alot of them being it ripping itself apart in the air.

https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/type/e190/embraer-erj-190

227 for on of their fucking airliners alone.

I'd stay away from Embraer as an aircraft company.

They should go for the AT-6 since it's based on a swiss design with a clean record and lengthy service history.




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