/k/ - Weapons

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>>572063

'World War 3' will be mostly funding/arming/training/posing as various terror groups aimed at your enemies and allies when you think they need some motivation and trade wars or diplomatic bullshit. Most of the major players being nuclear powers will keep things relatively civilised this time, less 'T80's rolling into Poland' and more 'President X has decided to continue the Russian trade embargoes, and once again voiced his support for the brave freedom fighters striking at Russian occupational forces (with surprisingly American weapons)'. That will probably continue until one or more of these 'insurgent groups' manages to get their hands on a biological, chemical, or crude nuclear device and things get crazy.

World's largest air force belongs to US Air Force. World's 2nd largest air force belongs to US Navy and USMC. If WW3 breaks out then we're all going to die from nukes Europeans with Canadians would stop Russia on european front and US with gook allies would take care of China and Russia on Asian/Pacific front

>>572088

Fuck of 4chaner

>>572092

>'World War 3' will be mostly funding/arming/training/posing as various terror groups aimed at your enemies and allies when you think they need some motivation

Implying it's not happening already

>>572063

The only way the US gov (and its zionist controllers) would lose WW3 is if the US collapses from internal political strife. A second American Civil War and the destruction of the American government is the only way to stop global nuclear war.

>>572102

Definitely without you since you'll capitulate as soon as first shots are fired in Eastern Europe

>>572105

All it takes is two chink or russian cargo vessels on secret mission launching a single nuke simultaneously on western and eastern coast to explode above the US to cause EMP and knock out the US from war. Then they have open doors to steamroll

>>572107

All it takes is separatist movements to take hold in russia and china for them to fall

>>572107

>>572110

All it would take would be Americans to finally come to terms with the fact that our country is no longer controlled by the electorate and instead controlled by a cabal in LA, Chicago, DC, and NYC. We need to see that there is no political solution and that the only way things will change is when this cabal and its supporters are unilaterally killed. After that its just organizing people and picking targets.

>>572107

All it takes is a Chink or Russian cargo vessel to sink the entire US Navy, that much is known already.

World War 3 seems like the opportune time for a civil war tbh

>>572106

Shots on what?

In which fucking reality do you live were Eastern Europeans having armies?

>>572123

All across europe as well tbh, the Muzzies will use it as a chance to gain power.

>>572103

>There was no cold war

>WW3 began before the last shot of WW2 was fired

>It has started to heat up a bit in the last few years, but has been at a relatively stable intensity for the last few decades.

>It sounds like a fairly boring alternate history, but it seems to be what's happening

>WW3 is boring as fuck

>>572146

We are also living in a cyberpunk dystopia, it's just extremely boring. Really, reality is like what would happen if /tg/ tried to come up with a setting that sounds full of action and romance, but in practice it's incredibly boring.

>The gigantic communist empire of the Eurasian landmass suddenly collapsed!

<because a few old men in suits signed a piece of paper, and it all happened because of economic and political reforms

>Europe is being invaded by hordes of musselmen!

<the whole thing is just a bureaucratic mess

>South Korea was controlled by an insane feminist cult until the people rose up against them!

<they protested for a few weeks then there were some arrests, and that's all

>The USA is on the brink of a civil war!

<said civil war is just shitposting on social media and protesting for reasons the protesters themselves don't understnad

>>572150

>We are also living in a cyberpunk dystopia, it's just extremely boring.

Nah it's getting less boring lately we're going stray for a mix of Huxley and Bradbury rather than Orwell or K. Dick.

>>572154

That's too bad. I prefer Dick.

>>572150

>We're living in the (most boring) cyberpunk future

<no flying cars

<no robot butlers

<no getting cybered up and going on a run

<There are definitely government and corporate conspiracies out there, but they're more vulnerable to shitposting than high explosives

<hacking is not nearly as fun as it seemed in the books/films/games

<Corporate interests are slowly taking over governments, but it's in the most boring way possible and they mostly seem to want more tax-cuts/subsidies/contracts

All I wanted was a mix of Ghost in the Shell, Firefly, and Burn Notice. Apparently that was too much to ask. I'm at the point where I'd settle for Shadowrun

>>572161

>X is not nearly as fun as it seemed in the books/films/games

Isn't that most of the reason people make books/films/games about anything?

>>572169

To some extent, I guess. Still, I reserve the right to moan about it every now and then.

>>572107

What if someone EMPs Russia and China?

>>572176

Very easy to covertly EMP China since most of their big cities are by the coast but very hard to EMP Russia since most of their cities are deep inland

Most of their shit is from the 70s too, although they're improving faster on that front. Anyway that isn't the point. The point is that united states navy severely cripples its anti ship and anti sub capability by having only ultralight subsonic anti ship missiles and placing their torpedo tubes on top of the hull. The point is that the air force has no desire to provide their one purpose of existance (air support). As a result USN and USAF are actually comparable to foreign branches 1/5th and 1/2 their size respectively.

Only the Army and Marines seem to be pulling their weight and being serious about fighting a war, taking casualties, and achieving objectives.

EU is even a bigger garbage pile. Collectively have a few hundred modern tanks, rest of their "armored force" are wheeled vehicles designed to police and suppress insurrection, once it turns into an empire. Same dif for their navy, it's just a bunch of frigates to prevent piracy. In fact given the recent record in the middle east the West collectively would definitely fail at invading Russia, and the vote is waaay out on if we'd be able to stop their invasion, considering NATO can't even move brigade sized elements through Europe.

>>572093

US air force has to operate off foreign soil, or else it won't be useful until America itself is invaded. US Naval aviation is incapable of concentrating, you can't operate more than a few carriers at a time, each of which carry less than 100 aircraft. If you're counting on Canada to swing the war in your favor, you've already lost the war.

>>572176

Difference is most electrical transformers in North America are made in Germany and Mexico, production was moved there as a "stimulus" thing for West Germany and as part of NAFTA to Mexico. Meaning a few weeks without power to get them manufactured and shipped here. In comparison Russia and China make their own transformers, and use the 220-240 volts 60 hz electricty which is common on

Also our society is ridiculously reliant on electricity. Can't get water, can't buy food, can't even get cash money out of the damn ATM to use without power. Some doors don't even open without electricity. Russia isn't there yet technologically so it would hit them less, and their economy is based on resource extraction which EMP wouldn't even affect. China might suffer more because 90% of that country is factories, and their electrical infrastructure is superior to American. Their massive rail network going down would damage the place a lot.

>>572182

>If you're counting on Canada to swing the war in your favor, you've already lost the war.

Mate he's counting on European handful of light brigades to stop the whole Russian military…

Also EMP is a meme, yes the 1960's US grid on Hawaii (put there 40 years before) was vulnerable to it which cause a massive black out that lasted two good hours until the lazy ass Hawaiian company changed the fucking breakers.

No man-made EMP is big enough to even remotely be a problem to a modern microelectronics, you would fry said grid with radiations and thermal energy before it's EM protections would be bypassed.

The only thing an EMP really do is temporary jamming comms, which sure is useful but there are easier way to do that than detonating several megaton of nukes in high atmosphere (where the radiation stays forever)… Which is why everyone involved always though that was a stupid idea.

Now the sun might be able to throw us a wave big enough, but the sun is a tiny bit bigger than a nuke.

>>572093

>Canada

HAHAHAHAHA

You're serious, holy shit you're funny. When I standard burger and his retarded leaf friend humiliate the leaf army with antiquated soviet rifles and subsequently get their jammed MG's to work in front of voted in government officials you know there is something seriously wrong with that army. I mean most of those afghan vets honestly didn't know what a fucking zero was. Not to mention the average leaf out numbers and out guns the army as well. Leafland is a fucking joke and a powderkeg ready to go off given how things are in that decrepit hellhole.

How to win world war 3 in a nutshell.

Nuke Israel.

BECOMES POPULAR WITH THE PLEBS

BECOMES CAESAR

WHO WILL BE ROME

>>572338

>Not to mention the average leaf out numbers and out guns the army as well. Leafland is a fucking joke and a powderkeg ready to go off given how things are in that decrepit hellhole.

You say that like it is a bad thing

>>572341

Underrated post.

>>572357

6 million more.

>>572088

Nobody replied because we already had a thread you fucking genital wart.

>>572370

I find it hard to believe that the entirety of Europe, and a majority of the commonwealth countries can't at least have a fighting chance. It would be a fucking logical nightmare trying to communicate with every country at once. As well as the Russians would have a lot of ground to cover, and historically have failures in offencive Wars. Chechnya, Afghanistan, Finland, Poland, Estonia and more. Even if they do have a immediate victory over the government, they cannot hold the continent. No one has ever held it all, not even the Europeans themselves own all of Europe for the majority of history.

<Fucking Turks ruin everything

>>572383

Most commonwealth countries have utterly gutted their armies, as has much of Western Europe. When was the last time any of the aforementioned aside from the FFL done anything than shoot at some goat herder who is getting his jolly's off plinking with an old .303? Even the invasion and occupation of Iraq became a god forsaken bog worse than Vietnam. I personally don't see the Russians occupying Europe, more of putting people who aren't fucking with them in power then going home, occupations cost money and Russians can be stingy as fuck on stuff that doesn't have the best of returns. I mean what sane European can say there government actually represents them?

>>572389

>I mean what sane European can say there government actually represents them?

the Swiss

>>572446

>Swiss

>Europeans

I mean that statement isn’t factually wrong. But it really doesn’t seem correct.

>>572516

They're more like the Europeans of old as opposed to nu-Europe. It's telling that they refused to enter the EU.

>>572383

>I find it hard to believe that the entirety of Europe, and a majority of the commonwealth countries can't at least have a fighting chance.

UK is 60k soldiers 260 tanks, Germany 60k soldiers 220 tanks, France 88k soldiers 260 tanks, Poland 45k soldiers 350 tanks (soviet-style brigades, but their tanks are not as good).

Western Command - St Petersburg

1st Guards Tank Army - Bakovka

6th Combined Arms Army - St Petersburg

20th Guards Combined Arms Army - Voronezh

Southern Command - Rostov

8th Combined Arms Army - Novocherkassk

49th Combined Arms Army - Stavropol

58th Combined Arms Army - Vladikavkaz

Central Command - Yekaterinburg

2nd Guards Combined Arms Army - Samara

41st Combined Arms Army - Novosibirsk

XX Combined Arms Army ("Gatchinskaya") - Dushanbe/Kurgan-Tyube, Tajikistan

Eastern Command - Khabarovsk

5th Combined Arms Army - Ussuryysk

35th Combined Arms Army - Belogorsk

29th Combined Arms Army - Chita

36th Combined Arms Army - Ulan Ude

To which you add the five special armies, that are a mix of ground forces, naval infantry and coastal defenses regiments that are under a join army/fleet command.

Artic Command - Arkhangelsk

14th Army Corps - Severomorsk (Arctic/Northern Fleet command)

North East Pacific Military Zone - Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky (Arctic/Pacific Fleet command, currently only a Naval Infantry brigade and a Coastal Rocket Artillery brigade but should be brought to full army size then renamed)

11th Army Corps - Kaliningrad (Western/Baltic Fleet command)

22nd Army Corps - Sevastopol (Southern/Black Sea fleet command)

68th Army Corps - Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk (Eastern/Pacific Fleet command)

A Russian army is at minimum three infantry brigades, 4 artillery brigades (1xSAM, 1xtactical missile, 1xartillery, 1xrocket), 3 support brigades (1xsappers, 1xlogistic, 1xEW).

Nearly all of them have 4 combat brigades, typically 3 infantry/1 tank brigade (though 4 infantry exists).

The Russian military is currently also trying to get 1 army per Command (except Arctic Command) to a division format (3 infantry divisions/1 tank division). A division is always formed 3 infantry/1 tank regiment (regiment=brigade), for an infantry division, 3 tank/1 infantry regiment for a tank division.

An Army Corps is at least, 1 infantry brigade, 2 naval infantry brigade, 4 artillery brigades (1xSAM, 1xanti-ship missile, 1xcostal artillery, 1xrocket), 3 support brigades (1xnaval sappers, 1xnavy logistic, 1xEW)

Naval infantry brigades don't have tanks (but have helicopters), a naval or regular tank brigade should be attached to an army corp but the status of naval tanks is in limbo right now since the PT-76 retired without a real decision on the successor.

An infantry brigade/regiment almost always looks like:

40 MBTs, 1 command MBT, 120 IFVs, 11 command APCs, 4 armored recon, 36 152mm SPG, 18 122mm MLRS, 12 heavy mortars, 12 AT guns, 12 self-propelled ATGM launchers, 12 medium-range SAM launchers, 6 short range SAM launchers, 6 SPAAG, 27 ManPADs.

A Russian brigade comes in a three standards, heavy, fast, light, heavy have BMPs, fast have BTRs, light (very rare in the ground forces) are on MRAPs.

A russian tank brigade/regiment almost always looks like:

90 MBTs, 4 command MBTs, 37 IFVs, 6 command APCs, 3 armored recon, 18 152mm SPG, 18 122mm MLRS systems, 8 heavy mortar, 12 medium-range SAM launchers, 6 short-range SAM launchers, 6 SPAAG, 27 ManPADs.

Now for the artillery:

An artillery brigade looks like.

8 220mm MLRS, 18 152mm gun, 12 AT guns, 18 self-propelled ATGM launchers, 3 artillery reconaissance vehicles, 2 audiometric location vehicles.

A Russian rocket brigade:

18 300mm MLRS

A Russian missile brigade:

12 launchers.

An Air defense brigade:

24 launchers minimum.

So what have we learned?

The smallest Russian army (with only 3 infantry brigade) is 123 MBTs, 360 IFVs, 126 152mm guns, 26 heavy MLRS, 54 122mm MLRS, 48 AT guns, 54 SP ATGM, 12 tactical missiles launchers, 60 medium-range SAMs, 127 short-range SAM.

That's half the tanks of the french army, more than half the IFV's, 20% more artillery, 100% more heavy MLRS, 5400% more light MLRS, 4800% more AT guns, 5400% more SP ATGM, 1200% more tactical missiles, 6000% more medium-range SAM and about the 4/5 of short range SAMs.

Again French Army = biggest of the bunch.

Do you want to know what a Russian combined army with divisions looks like?

933 MBTs, 1302 IFVs, 486 152mm guns, 42 heavy MLRS 252 122mm MLRS, 252 AT guns, 252 SP ATGM, 252 medium-range SAMs, 579 short-range SAM

That's almost as much tanks than France, UK, Germany and Poland combined.

Do you notice how one of the Russian armies is called a TANK army???

Yes. It's 3 tank divisions/1 infantry division format.

You do the maths.

>>572525

Quality post as usual frog-anon Although I still think you've severely overestimated the robustness of the chink economy.

>>572525

In the opening days of ww3 those tank crews would have a life expectancy of a few hours.

The west has no manufacturing capabilities that would enable them to replace those unit losses.

Also white men will be all slaughtered,and the Jews will bring in non-whites to fuck the white women.

>>572518

They won’t enter the EU because they are neutral and being forced to pay to support the poor countries isn’t a benefit for them as their economy is bretty gud. Jokes about how neutral the Swiss are, are only slight exaggerations.

>>572527

There is plenty to be said on China economical weakness. I can write you pages about the misuses of funds, the insane private debt explosion of the last 10 years, the actual demographic time bomb, etc… I am fully aware of the various problems of the Chinese economy.

But those are largely binary problems, an on/off problem, like for example: sovereign debts. As long as it continues to work, it works. It will probably stop working one day and when it does it will be SHTF day! But it might be tomorrow, it might be next year, it might be in 10 years and so far… it's still working, so since no-one can't actually predict the future, you have to use the trends you know for a fact are there. And the trend is: the PLAN is getting enormous, way faster than mainstream analysts think it is.

All I know is that if USA and Russia go to war, then it is the duty of every white man on Earth to ensure that Russia wins that war at all costs.

>>572540

>he wants to live under Russian rule

The current western "democracies" aren't perfect, but there is nothing a little Blut und Eisen can't fix.

>>572518

so is Sweden, Ireland, Austria and Liechtenstein not European,. er "old Europe" according to you? They are neutral states too.

>>572549

I would say yes only to Lichtenstein.

>>572541

>arent perfect

These Democracies are importing niggers and forcing underage white girls to have sex with them, while using chemicals to mutate white boys. They are killing white babies, grinding them up and slathering them on aging faces to reduce wrinkles.

That's 100000x worse than the worst of weimar germanys immorality, it is in fact hell on earth. The only reason people aren't comitting mass suicide to momentarily escape this eternal torture is that they live in a media created bubble, pre-occupied with carefully crafted fake personal crises (debt etc).

And why is democracies in quotes? Democracies are failed systems, stop promoting them.

>>572544

>[insert white group] isnt white!

>muahahaa white people will now fight each other in comments!

Kikepost elsewhere.

>>572525

Are the initial numbers totals or ready levels?

I heard Germany couldn't muster more than 50 tanks if they were called on to do it immediately. They need weeks and months to bring the full 220 into service.

>That's half the tanks of the french army, more than half the IFV's, 20% more artillery, 100% more heavy MLRS, 5400% more light MLRS, 4800% more AT guns, 5400% more SP ATGM, 1200% more tactical missiles, 6000% more medium-range SAM and about the 4/5 of short range SAMs.

That was painful.

>>572531

Moving the goalposts to nukes is kind of a losing proposition considering Russia has more and better nukes than all of NATO put together. Keep the goalposts conventional and MAYBE if American tanks are thrown in, Europe won't fall.

>>572611

>slavs are white

>regardless that hitler literally called them the Untermensch

sorry Xi Ping.

The US couldn't successfully subdue the middle East let alone China and Russia

>>572611

>>572540

Russia is far worse then any of the shitty governments in the west. I would take impotent American soyboy fucks tyranny over vlad having me sent to Siberia any day

>>572627

>invade muslim countries and capture land full of muslims

>border muslim countries

>wtf? y r there muslims there?

>>572626

>NOTICE ME PUTIN-SENPAI, MY BODY IS READY!

How does a person get that broken?

>>572627

>2 million in 20 years

Yeah what's the Muslim population growth in Europe? What is it in Canada by %?

>>572628

>>572641

>mmmm cummies

Kikepost elsewhere.

>>572639

>implying subduing is the goal

>>572611

>Are the initial numbers totals or ready levels?

… initial.

I don't think the Russian MoD knows the total numbers. For a while they were saying they could call 2 millions more soldiers (which was dubious). Since then they've been revamping and experimenting with the reserves to be more active, a bit like the US national guard, so the current format is anywhere between 100k and 2M.

They're revamping so much shit it's hard to keep track of everything, but yeah since 2014 they're convinced NATO want war and are restructuring their army for high intensity warfare, while NATO keeps provoking them politically and doing almost nothing really military-wise, because "we're the best, anyway".

>>572627

>16 millions

Were the hell does that number came from? And that projection is laughable.

On the 2010 census there were 5,310,649 Tatars (from 5,554,601 in 2002), 1,584,554 Bakshirs (from 1,673,389 in 2002), 1,431,360 Chechen (from 1,360,253 in 2002) and 912,090 Avars (from 814,473 in 2002).

So an amazing increase of -164,063 in the majors muslims ethnic groups since the last census. Wait, this isn't an increase at all…

And before you ask, yes Russian population is also diminishing but the Russian part of the population was 80.6% in 2002 and 80.9% in 2010.

And no it doesn't mean 19.1% of Russia is Muslim (or isn't even white, you have white minorities in Russia, hell you have natives white Muslims!), there is 180+ ethnic groups in Russia, most are christian, most are orthodox, some are orthodox heretics, some are buddhists, some are pagans, etc… And almost all are natives.

>>572662

Last I heard Russia had 6% practicing Muslims.

>>572541

>ZOG that actively attempts to sterilize, murder and replace you

>Better than corrupt ZOG that only tries to rob you and kill through negligence

this is your mind on Weimar media.

>>572357

Over 6,000,000

>>573088

>hitler reference

Screencap worth, and your Hitler-Dubs thusly checked.