/k/ - Weapons

>>560378

>no barrel shroud

enjoy getting your thumbs burned.

>In the day and age of modern firearms, what's a good reason for getting a bolt-action?

Only school shooters buy AR-16s and AK-74s are for alt-right commie-nazi russkie hacker agents. No responsible gun owner has either one of those, or anything like them. In fact, they should probably put you on a watch list if you do. As such, if you buy anything other than a bolt-action, you're basically a criminal in the making, unless it's a lever-action. Even then, most people aren't cowboys, so you don't need those.

>>560398

lol gungrabber b8/8

>>560378

you can shoot black powder cartridges in a bolt action, and you can make black powder fairly easily, really cuts down the cost.

>>560398

Abhorrent post.

>>560439

I'm surprised melanin-swedes are smart enough to use grenades.

>>560378

They're fun, and aren't they more accurate at long distances than semi auto? I think they would be good for hunting, more cost efficient perhaps. But for self defense? No, they've been obsolete since mid WWII.

go semi-auto unless you want to spend 5k+ on a custom rifle to shoot steel at a mile out. a quality AR10 build should outperform either of the rifles you mentioned, whether it's for range fun, hunting, defense, or punching ballots at long range.

>>560378

more accurate, because on average they're siffer and have fewer moving parts

cleaner

cheaper, relatively speaking

you can use larger rounds in them, like magnums

They're mechanically simple and cheap. Like others have said they're more precise than autoloaders, but your average shooter isn't skilled enough to notice the difference, and even then it's only significant at long distances.

>>560525

Also, since the action is manually operated you don't have to worry about really weird loads over or under-gassing the system. But if you're making loads hot enough to damage a regular gas system you should be really, really sure about the pressures ratings on your rifle's chamber and bolt even if it is a bolt action.

Bolt actions can handle STIFF handloads a lot better than many other rifles with the sole exception of falling block rifles, and you can get them in magnum cartridges. The other big advantage bolt actions have if you're cream of the cream in shooting is that with a good set up you can achieve .5 moa.

TBH though were I in your position and didn't already have a semi auto in .308 I'd get one.

there's a company that manufactures ARs in 7mm rem mag,14rd mags.

>>560544

It's the shoulder thing that goes up

>>560378

How much are you willing to spend with the optic included and what do you want it for? General "I want to learn how to shoot accurately" rifle? Hunting?

How set are you on .308?

>>560378

tbqf I'm a bit afeared of Bergara's reputation when it comes to feeding rounds.

Bolt actions are cheap, mechnically accurate, simple to maintain and fix, and generally lighter than semiautos. They also take hot handloads better and generally have less feeding/ejection problems.

They're also great training rifles and come in every conceivable caliber. Everyone should have at least 1 bolt action.

I would suggest a Tikka t3x or a Howa 1500.

They're very accurate and well made while not being too expensive and there are aftermarket chassis for them made. by MDT and KRG.

Swiss k31s and swedish 6.5 mausers are fantastic milsurp rifles, but ammo is expensive.

>>560547

My budget would likely be a 700-900 dollar with a Primary Arms-tier optic. Competent, but far from elite.

General accuracy-improvement and plinking.

I have a semi auto in 308 already so ammo commonality would be attractive.

>>560613

thanks for the heads up, maybe I could substitute the MVP LR.

>>560615

I have looked into the Howa and was interested in a few. However, I keep coming back to MVPs due to the mag availability and the value for price. I'll remain open to suggestions.

>>560615

>ammo is expensive

Buying in bulk, you can find 7.5x55 for about 50 cents a round, that's comparable to .308.

>>560439

>If you're a burger i'd say there's no practical advantage for a bolt action at all (maybe in weight?)

Many AR-15 weigh only 2 fucking pounds unloaded (1kg), Sven…

>>560734

>6.5 meme

>Muh BC

>>560378

Just get a magnum and thank me later

>In b4 muh bc

150gr in 7mm magnum or 180gr in 300 neutralizes the BC bullshit and you still have a faster, more powerful round. Plus the ammo costs as much as 6.5 mememoor.

>>560755

really? usually historic calibers are way down loaded from original spec like 8mm mauser and 380 are

>>560737

So NutnFancy finally went all the way with his ounces and pounds philosophy?

>>560700

You will need a bit more if you want a mount too. I'd look into howa heavy barrel varmiter. Nice rifle for the money.

Decide barrel length based on how interested you're on trying to push it in distance. If you're not going to go past 600 meters, a 20 inches barrel version might be better for accuracy. To reach out to the limit of .308, you will need the extra barrel and .175gr pills.

>>560781

Yeah, over in Euroland they made 6.5 swede a really hot loaded round in comparison to the m/41 they used in those guns, Ljungmans grenade if you feed them anything hotter than surplus m/41. Its why you see a whole bunch of sporterized surplus Swedish mausers in the US as well as leafland. In regards to 8x57 being downloaded is because some idiot put a proper .323 loaded 8x57 into a Turk Mauser with a .318 bore. iirc Prvi 6.5 swede is safe to use in the aforementioned swede guns, everything else will vaporize them.

>>560791

I've never heard anything like that about 6.5x55, except for an anecdote about the old norwegian loads for their Krag rifles being much lighter than Sweden used for their Mausers. If you've access to articles or maybe a book I could track down I'd love to read about it.

>>560802

Speer Reloading Manual #14 if I recall has explicit handloads for mausers/krags and moderns guns and my Modern Reloading states that the 6.5 loads are for modern guns only. Alliant has divided their 6.5 for commercial guns and surplus ones.

>>560378

> and why they're good or bad

Low rate of fire, duh. But other than this…

>>560525

>They're mechanically simple

Which as usual means more reliable and easier in maintenance.

>>560378

>what's a good reason for getting a bolt-action?

Working the bolt is fun.

>>560737

>Many AR-15 weigh only 2 fucking pounds unloaded (1kg), Sven…

Something tells me that this claim is false.

>>560737

Damn it, the slots for new banners are all filled.

Shooting really small groups, looking cool, and cost. Other than that, not much anymore.

>>560737

>(1)

>>560789

>175 gr

168 gr Sierra should be enough. You lose too much velocity in .308 with the 175-180 bullets.

and you definitely want a 26" barrel on the .308 if you're pushing out really far.

>>571953

alright, if nobody has screencapped Sven's retardation and made it a meme, it needs to happen. This is classic /k/ material.

>>571968

my bad, not Sven.

The Norway dude.

>Many AR-15 weigh only 2 fucking pounds unloaded (1kg), Sven…

What?

>>572005

>AWB proof.

Not in Australia

>>572411

Nah. If that were the case, he wouldn't convert it to one kg/ pound if he just mixed his units up. It'd go like

<2 fucking pounds (4 kg)

or something, if that were the case and he meant to say 2 kg (roughly 4.5 pounds) and not

>only 2 fucking pounds unloaded (1kg)

No matter how you cut it, the man's fucking retarded.