e82bbe No.555751
>>555749
Wilhelm fucked up and let Lenin back to Russia with a bunch of gold then you know who went on a purge of folk who never ever liked them in the first place.
4f1235 No.555768
At the root of it, the bureocrats took over the country. It's the same thing that happened in Rome, and is happening in America. At some point you have so much red tape that you need special red tape class of people who will handle it. This class then grows into a nation-within-a-nation and begins to vie for more power. Also often its populated by ethnic minorities This happened like three times in China, with Jurchen, Manchu etc. In the end the Chinese actually evolved a class of people called "officials" to do the work, which the commies slaughtered.
The only thing that can save us is a massive reduction in number of laws, or switching out the bureocrat class for an incorruptible AI.
726266 No.555772
>1913 was the last peaceful year of the empire and the three hundredth anniversary of the Romanov dynasty; in that year, Russia was the undisputed world leader in agricultural output; she was the European leader in population growth; her steel production was approaching that of France and Austria-Hungary combined; and her economic growth rate had risen to six percent per annum, the greatest rate of expansion then prevailing among any of the world's five great powers.
Russia still hadn't recovered from the loss of 1905, but she was only growing stronger year after year. If the war had only a few years later (e.g. if Willy had agreed to Nicky's proposal to call a Hague conference over Serbia), Russia would have been in a much better position.
5efa1a No.555777
>>555772
Why didn't Willy agree?
a67674 No.555789
Russia had refused to modernized due to its conservative nature. Nicholases grandfather had attempted large scale reforms but was assassinated by anarchists. His father was a reactionary and had failed to properly modernize and industrialize the vast nation. Russia at the time of Nicholas rule was a rapidly a industrializing nation which brought social unrest and a series of large scale wars Russia was not ready to fight. They should have never entered ww1 especially considering the Brits had already fucked them in the Russian Japanese war.
a67674 No.555790
>>555777
His odds of winning the war went down significantly the longer he waited
5efa1a No.555793
>>555790
But he didn't really expect a war since he went on his yearly vacation.
5efa1a No.555797
>>555789
Austria screwed them over diplomatically in Europe before the war by surprise annexing Bosnia and threatening to reveal that Russia had agreed to doing so in exchange for supporting the Russian position on Constantinople, which led them to the posture of aggressively defending Slav interests in the Balkans.
726266 No.555811
>>555777
Technically he just never responded to that part of the telegram. It's unclear why, but personally it was probably Willy's indecisiveness. When he left for the cruise he had given Austria full support no matter what happened. When he returned he said that the Serbian capitulation to the ultimatum meant that there was no more reason for Austria to go to war but his generals continued on. His general's had already made the plans for war. Russia had mobilized at this point so Germany mobilized in response and none of them wanted to back down. The German generals had quite a lot of power over Willy and wanted the war no matter what. So when Willy couldn't stick to one plan, his generals took over in effect.
5efa1a No.555821
>>555811
If France wasn't a republic this bullshit war would have never happened. They had no loyalty to royal houses of Europe.
5fb82f No.555825
>>555821
It always comes back to the French Revolution. Every problem of the modern era. All from that one mistake.
6af236 No.555888
>>555790
That's correct. Russia was catching up pretty fast which made German High Command very nervous. After all, the military had a lot of influence over Kaiser Willy. Personally he may had opposed the war. However, his generals were looking for an excuse to pick a bone with Russia sooner rather than later. The prospect of railroads spanning from the Far East up to the Congress Poland was pretty terrifying for the German High Command. Imagine moving men and material from the Siberian frontier to European battlefields in a matter of weeks instead of months. For Germany to dominate the European affairs and emerging as the leading superpower the United Kingdom had to be isolated, France had to be greatly weakened and Russia had to be dismantled into a couple of constantly bickering, smaller and easier to control nations. Hence why, German government was very interested in promoting Belorussian, Ukrainian and Lithuanian national identities.
d062a0 No.555895
>>555888
>German government was very interested in promoting Belorussian, Ukrainian and Lithuanian national identities.
And they did again in the 90's by promoting Croatian identity to destroy Heksagonale because it left germany out of the role of being a major geopolitical player
And now they're doing that again with attempts to destroy the intermarium
4f1235 No.555896
>>555789
Modernization is what screwed them. They became a lucrative place for rootless exploiters AFTER they boosted their industry and introduced degenerate social practices like shaving their beards.
>A jew cant grow a proper european beard
>>555790
>>555772
>>555777
It's the same as every war on balkans.
1. Someone in Serbia did something bad, or is said to have done so.
2. An offended foreign power asked complete control over the country so it can place military troops everywhere and capture the culprit.
3. Serbia thought that was a Big Ask^ and counterproposed a joint investigation giving foreign investigators every cooperation.
4. Then they get destroyed in a war while valiantly fighting for their sovereignty.
Because Serbs thought the big ask was a Big Ask^, when in reality it was just the prelude for an invasion. The first thread to manufacture a cassus belli, and the invasion had absolutely fuck all to do with Serbia.
Austria and Germany wanted to contrive a reason to capture all the formerly Ottoman held territory. Who knows, maybe if they had their coal and oil, it would have given them the edge they needed to win the inevitable WWII as well.
Compare in 1990s, every Euro power was kicking out American bases because the cold war was over, and the deep state despots wanted a place to put their bases in Europe. Omg y u hurt dose muslims!
^ Big ask is the opening to a negotiation, when one side makes a ridiculous request. The other side then makes a more realistic request, and they haggle.
665f90 No.555906
>>555749
Read this.
>>555768
Rome and China were civilisation in the sense Spenger uses the word. That is, a formless mass of people with a dead culture, ruled over by an imperial bureaucratic machine. Of course there is nothing but red tape and stagnation. Western Europe and the USA are already in this process, but it's not yet complete. I think Russia's bureaucrats were close to Japanese samurai once the later became glorified bureaucrats. That is, they were reliable servants "bred" for this purpose.
>>555896
>Austria and Germany wanted to contrive a reason to capture all the formerly Ottoman held territory.
Are you high? The last thing Austria-Hungary needed was even more Slavs, and Germany was more interested both in Mitteleuropa and more overseas colonies. AH was worried because Russia clearly wanted to Balkans for herself, and did everything to stop them. It's not even an exaggregation to say that Serbia in that time was a Russian puppet.
18b646 No.555923
>>555906
Austria already moved to take territories formerly belonging to Ottomans. The Hapsburgs thought these territories "belonged" to them because they single handedly vanquished the turks, or something silly like that.
>Russia clearly wanted to Balkans for herself
Look at that map. Russia would have to go through Romania to get to territory it wanted. Were there any overtures made to Romania or Bulgaria or Greece or fucking anyone? Meanwhile we know for a fact that Austria made overtures to Bulgaria and the Turks, and Serbia was in the fucking way.
But your statement bothers me for more reason than just being incorrect. For example if Russia actually wanted to form a union with Serbia…. So what? Why would that worry Austria if they didn't want it? Austria and Germany already had massive borders with Russia, why the hell would having an extra few miles of borders with a Russian ally worry them?? In terms of borders it's like America getting mad because Canada wants to conquer Cuba.
665f90 No.555932
>>555923
>Austria already moved to take territories formerly belonging to Ottomans.
What territories, other than Bosnia? True what is true, they together with Italy created Albania, but it was still more of an Italian project. As for Bosina, it was all about cockblocking the Russians.
>The Hapsburgs thought these territories "belonged" to them because they single handedly vanquished the turks, or something silly like that.
It sounds like you aren't familiar with this subject at all. Their only claim was for the kingdom of Hungary, because they managed to get the throne in the 16th century. And it is a whole separate subject on its own, as it is the history of Hungary. I know about no serious claims for any lands in the Balkans by the Habsburgs.
>Russia would have to go through Romania to get to territory it wanted.
First of all, they already annex a part of what will later turn into Romania:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessarabia
And adding the rest of those territories wouldn't have been a problem for Russia, as it was already quite the multiculti place. But even without those lands, they have access to the Black Sea, and sailing up in the Danube to Serbia is a trivial feat. Not to mention that direct annexation isn't even needed, as Serbians were more than willing to further Russian interests as it was.
>Were there any overtures made to Romania or Bulgaria or Greece or fucking anyone? Meanwhile we know for a fact that Austria made overtures to Bulgaria and the Turks, and Serbia was in the fucking way.
What the hell do you mean by overtures in this context?
>But your statement bothers me for more reason than just being incorrect
How is it incorrect?
>For example if Russia actually wanted to form a union with Serbia…. So what? Why would that worry Austria if they didn't want it? Austria and Germany already had massive borders with Russia, why the hell would having an extra few miles of borders with a Russian ally worry them??
That's a rather passive-aggressive and feminine tone. In other words, you type like an angry bitch. But to answer your question: Russia clearly had imperial ambitions, and Panslavism and the "defence" of orthodox Christianity were two of their main idegologic justifications for them. Austira-Hungary had lots of Slavic populations of various sizes and faiths, just compare the map of that "empire" with the map of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. The Balkans might not have been a particularly rich place, but it was full of relatively reliable people living in an easily-defensible area. Therefore I'd say the fears of AH weren't unjustified.
f713a0 No.555934
>>555749
As the only actual knower here I'll answer: literally everything. The empire was overburdened with most of the geographical, economical, ethnic, social problems you could ever imagine.
c4cadc No.555937
>>555934
Back to /leftypol/
f713a0 No.555938
>>555937
Nigger wut? Your commie detector needs some calibration.
18b646 No.555957
>>555932
>What territories, other than Bosnia?
lol
That one line was enough to know what you're going to say in the rest of the comment. All you have is fictional innuendo "Russia might have wanted to do something", meanwhile Austria annexes Bosnia for no fucking reason in 1908. I put the weight of annexation above that of mysterious rumors.
The funniest part is that you're a Hungary flag. Your people rebelled against Austria in 1848, and Russia invaded you to quell the rebellion, and gave your country over to Austria. So on my side of the argument I actually have Russia holding Austrian territory in its complete control, and still deciding to not keep it, to bolster my argument that Russia wanted fuck all to do with Austria. Meanwhile all you have is innuendo lol.
>Panslavism and the "defence" of orthodox Christianity were two of their main idegologic justifications
Hungary, Greece, Albania, Bulgaria and Romania weren't Slavic, and Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and Czechoslovakia weren't Orthodox. Even using your criteria, of the lands Russia wanted, only Serbia and Montenegro fit the fucking bill. Meanwhile domestically Russia was falling apart, and no threat to anyone.
The final verdict: Austria and Germany pre-emptively destroyed Europe before teh ebulz Russia even thought of it.
311f0c No.555971
>>555749
Euromongrel multiculti clusterfuck of krauts, slavs and mongyars.
It never had a chance.
665f90 No.555983
>>555957
>lol
That's not an answer. And if you refuse to answer this question, then I must assume that you don't have anything, and this is just empty posturing to hide it.
>All you have is fictional innuendo "Russia might have wanted to do something"
All I have is things like the May Coup, or how the leaders of the Black Hand knew that their little stunt will lead to a war between AH and Serbia, and that Russia will most likely mobilize to protect Serbia. Meanwhile you denounce my words as "fictional innuendo", completely ignoring the realpolitik of the time.
> Austria annexes Bosnia for no fucking reason in 1908
It looks like you've never heard of the Treaty of Berlin either. AH was occupying Bosnia since the 1880s, in accordance with that treaty, and the annexation was part of the diplomatic game.
>I put the weight of annexation above that of mysterious rumors.
In other words, you your story over the will of the actors of the time. E.g. it's no secret that Russia wanted control over the Straits of Constantinople, yet you'd tell me that this is not important as Russia never managed to actually gain control of the straits.
>Even using your criteria
These are not my "criteria", it's a fact that Russia used both panslavist and orthodox Christian propaganda. E. g. the Czech might not be orthodox, but the first panslavist conferency was held in Prague, and during ww1 many Czech preferred to join the ranks of the Russians.
>Meanwhile domestically Russia was falling apart, and no threat to anyone.
According to you, but not according to the leaders of AH. And their perception is much more important when we discuss what happened back then. Not to mention that the Russian elite clearly didn't know that their country is falling apart and isn't a threat to anyone, as they were quite happy to join the fun that quickly turned into the first world war.
> Your people rebelled against Austria in 1848, and Russia invaded you to quell the rebellion, and gave your country over to Austria.
If you honestly believe that this is how it went, then you clearly never heard of the Holy Alliance of Prussia, Russia and Austria. You are also not familiar with the war of 1848-49 either.
>So on my side of the argument I actually have Russia holding Austrian territory in its complete control, and still deciding to not keep it, to bolster my argument that Russia wanted fuck all to do with Austria.
Between 1848 and 1914 there was 56 years, that's at very least two whole generations. The geopolitics of Europe were completely different. It's like saying that West Germany wanted to overrun the collapsing USSR in 1992, because they lost ww2 46 years prior.
>The final verdict: Austria and Germany pre-emptively destroyed Europe before teh ebulz Russia even thought of it. I am historically illiterate.
FTFY
e57685 No.556020
>>555957
>>555983
So did Serbs ruin everything again?
0886ef No.556032
>>555749
>What went wrong?
Many things. None of them was fatal by itself, but they happened simultaneously.
+ internal tensions due to moving from agricultural feudalism to industrial capitalism
+ incompetence of bureaucracy and state security
+ stress of WWI
+ incompetence of autocrat
Had Russian Empire avoided participation in WWI as much as possible (even if that meant fucking up international relations) - it would survive.
Had transition to constitutional monarchy happened before shitshow started - it would survive.
Had emperor did his job properly, either by balancing interests of nobility and masses, or by drowning protest in blood - it would survive.
f04a43 No.556034
>>556032
Should've avoided the Russo-Japanese War too.
86c964 No.556035
>>555749
Romanovs deserved it.
b47e72 No.556041
Corruption of the nobles is what happened.
The ВОДКА prohibition happened.
They had to fall, because of how corrupted they were.
They had to fall, because of the economical crysis.
They had to fall, because they have been striked by wall street funded group, that then took power, and did even worste than the Tsar.
Read Tolstoy if you want to know more about the condition of the people, and about the level of corruption of the power. Read Antony Sutton if you want to know more about the funding of the communist parties.
The so called "reforms" that he had to conduct, is the same "reforms" that try to implement the french king Louis XVI before his fall: It was actually the destruction of his power, and temporary trade-off to maintain himself as much as he can. But (((they))) did not wanted him to be maintained. (((They))) wanted all the power. In fact, Louis XVI has to be maintained, like in UK, under a constitutional monarchy. But Louis XVI actually refused it, and asked for help from other monarchy in europe, in exchange of lands. The freemasons decided then, in a FM congress in 1786, to kill him. Then you know what happened to his head.
Freemasons ideas, then contaminated the whole europe.
>>555825
Indeed. It's because it's the root of the freemason power. It's the direct overthrown of the power by them, and then the direct deception, and enforcement of their philosophy (The liberalism, Descartes rationalism, atheism, anticlericalism, positivism etc..), that then have contaminated the whole europe, and certainly the Tsar reign. Even though Russia fell because of the same corruption and Louis XIV style of reign with "La cour", where the noble were concentrated, and were highly immoral.
"A fish rot by the head". If the elite of any power get corrupted, then everything falls.
726266 No.556048
>>556034
How do you avoid a war started by another country when they sneak attack your naval base?
e82bbe No.556050
>>556035
Mad they told you couldn't sell vodka on credit anymore or banished you to the pale?
328d88 No.556055
03593f No.556065
>>555896
>Austria Hungary and Germany wanted land for oil and coal
Austria Hungary was about to cease to exist on it's own because of how poorly managed it was. Germany was lead by kaiser wilhelm who was an idealist not pragmatic which is why he lead his nation to total ruin by allying with the dying austrians. Had he been intelligent he would have never provoked the Brits by attempting colonies and a navy and then arranged to partition the austrian empire in a war like Prussia had done Poland.
03593f No.556069
>>556020
Because they are hyper aggressive slavs living in a location that converges western, Russian, and Islamic cultures. So when Serbs attack people like Croats the Croats look at the west and ask for help. This causes a shitshow effect of a large war starting from a small war. the worst case scenario is essentially ww1 where Serbs draw 3-4 major powers into a conflict with each other over a dead archduke.
328d88 No.556071
>>556069
Burger education.
a9f293 No.556077
>>556069
>islamic
<culture
ishiggydont
5d5cd9 No.556088
Because there was a very real chance of the Russian Empire becoming a superpower if they managed to win WW1 and gained a bunch of territory, and certain forces on earth wouldn't allow an Orthodox Christian superpower in the world.
256c8d No.556105
60a651 No.556113
e57685 No.556115
>>556088
Should Nicholas have allied Germany instead of France?
5d5cd9 No.556122
>>556115
It was idiotic to ally with France- the same people who not too long ago invaded Russia and almost conquered it until the serfs and grandfather winter routed them out, the same France that a few decades before had used military force to prevent Russia from getting a colony in Africa in modern-day Djibouti (look up Sagallo). That ontop the the fact that France was the one that prevented Russia from liberating Constantinople because "muh cathlicks" (who are heretics).
If they managed to work out an different central powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, China (preferably with an intact Qing Dynasty somehow) and Russia- fuck the Ottoman cocksuckers)- we would be living in a very different and much better world.
5d5cd9 No.556124
>>556122
BTW I'm not a leaf, I'm just using a VPN.
202d72 No.556127
>>556115
Austro-Hungary, The German Empire and the Russian Empire had been allies some years before. I forget the specific details of how that fell apart, but if I remember correctly it was of course a bunch of long noses and the inevitable british meddling.
5d5cd9 No.556128
>>556127
I'm a Monarchist myself so I definitely feel sympathetic for the Central Powers (except for the Ottomans because of all the genocide, fuck them). Did you know that the King of Britain specifically denied Saint Nicholas II asylum? Really makes you think as to why…
726266 No.556131
>>556127
The League of the Three Empires. It fell apart because Austria-Hungary and Russia couldn't get along. Bismarck then signed a treaty with Russia guaranteeing neutrality with each other. When Wilhelm II came to power he dismissed Bismarck so Bismarck's plan to keep France isolated, especially from Russia, fell apart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinsurance_Treaty
>When in 1890, Russia asked for a renewal of the treaty, Germany refused. Kaiser Wilhelm II believed his relationship with Tsar Alexander III would be sufficient to ensure further genial diplomatic ties and felt that maintaining a close bond with Russia would act to the detriment of his aims to attract Britain into the German sphere. Like the Austro-Russian antagonism, Anglo-Russian relations too were strained due to Russia gaining influence in the Balkans. The Russian aim of controlling the Straits of the Dardanelles, would threaten British colonial interests in the Middle East. Having become alarmed at its growing isolation, Saint Petersburg, as Bismarck had feared, entered into the Franco-Russian Alliance in 1894, ending French isolation. The dismissal of Bismarck, the erratic temper of Wilhelm II and the uncertain policy of the men who succeeded Bismarck (partly out of consideration for England, they failed to renew the Reinsurance Treaty with Russia but did renew the Triple Alliance), were joint causes of a period of fundamental change.
1d3f0f No.556137
>>555825
Add to that the usual French bitterness and salt (this time over Alsace Lorraine).
Also I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but basically every major European power wanted war, because they thought it was inevitable. Add to that the growing insecurity of Britain over Germany's increasing naval power, along with everything else mentioned here, and you basically have a recepie for disaster.
000000 No.556163
>>555749
Judeo Bolshevik kikery is what happened
the murder of the Tsar and his family was ritual jewish murder
e45344 No.556175
>>556048
Reinforce the naval base before hand?
e45344 No.556177
>>556131
Why ally Austria over Russia?
0886ef No.556178
>>556048
By not attempting to expand in a region you lack proper power projection.
e45344 No.556180
>>556105
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Stefano
>The Great Powers, especially British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, were unhappy with this extension of Russian power, and Serbia feared the establishment of Greater Bulgaria would harm its interests in former and remaining Ottoman territories. These reasons prompted the Great Powers to obtain a revision of the treaty at the Congress of Berlin, and substitute the Treaty of Berlin.
>According to British historian A. J. P. Taylor, writing in 1954, "If the treaty of San Stefano had been maintained, both the Ottoman Empire and Austria-Hungary might have survived to the present day. The British, except for [Disraeli] in his wilder moments, had expected less and were therefore less disappointed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli
> In 1878, faced with Russian victories against the Ottomans, he worked at the Congress of Berlin to obtain peace in the Balkans at terms favourable to Britain and unfavourable to Russia, its longstanding enemy. This diplomatic victory over Russia established Disraeli as one of Europe's leading statesmen.
b40708 No.556181
>>555749
A bunch of middle class rich leftist kids decided to take it upon themselves to liberate the people from oppression. Somehow they came up with explosive package and somehow they managed to actually use it efficiently. You'd usually expect a limp-wristed gun attack, even back then.
7751f3 No.556184
Funny how commies fucked up russia beyond repair because they killed one person/one family.
Not really it's sad as fug
323092 No.556361
>>556177
My best guess is because of cultural reasons. Since the Austrian aristocracy and German Junkers shared a similar language and general customs, it facilitated easier diplomacy compared to the Russians which are more alien in both respects.
One could also argue geography in that Austria would be easier to assist in times of conflict over Russia which had the potential have wars which could span to the far-east, see the Japanese-Russo war, which would make providing assistance much more difficult.
Another factor is how Kaiser Wilhelm and the German general staff saw Russia as threat, where as Austria was not. Due to the potential of Russian military and economic abilities overshadowing Germany's in both respects. They went with the weaker horse, in Austro-Hungary, since it was less likely to buck them off, and just whither and die.
f71710 No.556376
>>556069
Nigger, Gavrilo Princip was working on behalf of Mlada Bosna, which was a Yugoslavian unity movement seeking to, primarily, remove the Austro-Hungarians from Bosnia, the serbs actually had nothing to do with it. He was a Bosnian serb, and the blame was shifted onto the Crna Ruka, because Princip had tried to join them, but was literally too much of a manlet to be admitted.
>Croatia got the west involved
We sure as shit did try, but the UN didn't really give a damn until the kebab started getting removed. They sent some blue helmets to die, and hit an airfield in the RSK, purely to to allow them to help the kebab later.
be9cc1 No.556412
More internal issues than you could imagine, monarchy was also on it's way out in the 21st century and the government was inept at handling many situations. They essentially fed fuel to the fire of communism with bloody sunday and other such things, and that led distrust and wish for change in government.
40d208 No.556419
>>556412
> bloody sunday
the tsar wasn't even there that day though
03593f No.556430
>>556376
Your missing the point. When Serbia cries to Russia, when Croatia cried to Germany, and when Bosnians cry to Turks they all took some sort of action. These much larger powerful nations get involved and will almost certainly be pitted against each other. It's legit not even about any of you it's about you being a focal point for other people's interests.
03593f No.556432
>>556361
>the Russians were alien to western Europe
Nicholas was wilhelms cousin and most the Russian aristocracy was German to some degree and spoke French as a first language.
8dcbea No.556458
>>556181
Because clearly middle class kids can win a civil war all on there own.
18b646 No.556627
>>556361
>white people are alien to other white people
In contrast to what? Maybe a century of niggers will convince you of the flaw of that argument.
Slavs are white, often even ginger and green eyed, or blonde and blue eyed. That's good enough for me.
>>556376
> Princip was working on behalf of Mlada Bosna, which was a Yugoslavian unity movement seeking to, primarily, remove the Austro-Hungarians from Bosnia, the serbs actually had nothing to do with it. He was a Bosnian serb, and the blame was shifted onto the Crna Ruka
This is left out of every Hungarian and Austrian history book by the way.
>>555983
I don't have to answer a statement as dumb as "AH annexted nothing… except the one country."
>Black Hand
Wrong faggot. Assasination of Ferdinand had fuck all to do with Serbs.
>In other words, you your story over the will of the actors of the time.
No. Instead of basing conclusions on subjective judgement of some random hyperbiased hairy hungarian troll on the internet about what the "will" of a government consisting of hundreds of thousands of people that lived a century ago with all filed burned to the ground in two world wars was…. I'm going to base conclusions on what HAPPENED.
>E.g. it's no secret that Russia wanted control over the Straits of Constantinople
The fuck does this have to do with AH which is 1000 km away from the black sea? Do you mean the part where AH sided with turks and stabbed Russia in the back, despite Russians sending their boys to die in a war to protect the Hapsburgs from traitorous Hungarians?
> I am historically illiterate.
Yes you are.
a83ad6 No.556649
>>556131
And so how was it then that England ended up fucking Germany eventually instead of Russia? I understand the logistical restraints but assume there is more to it. Was England amicable towards Russia during the war?
Great thread yall much appreciated.
d70326 No.556680
>>556649
England disliked and wanted to dismantle both Russia and Germany so the outcome of the war was satisfactory to the English. Why do you think they didnt offer aid to Tsar Nicholas when he was being held by the revolutionary government?
a742d1 No.556706
>>556627
>Slavs are white
Russian royalty and nobility for the most part weren't even slavic by blood. Among the nobility the Russian language was considered to be barbaric and unelegant. Many preferred to communicate with each other in French, so as to show off their superior education, and pretty much all of them spoke French as a second language.
df0346 No.556886
>>556706
Weren't the original Rus people germanophones?
18b646 No.556889
>>556706
If you want to talk about nobles, talk about the calling of the princes.
Meanwhile common people call germans немецкий from *němъ for "mute” because they couldn't speak other languages. And "slovene" means lettered man, as in 'we've got written language y'all."
>>556886
Yes, I don't know where he's getting french from.
7bcddb No.556910
>>556889
It's well known that European nobility commonly spoke French.
c30331 No.556911
>>556907
whoops, NOT killing them when they had the chance*.
e05fec No.556914
>>556886
They were much to the chagrin of modern slavs. Peter the great Ivan the terrible and all of the notable tsars modelex themselves heavily on the German kingdoms culture and customs the term tsar was picked by Ivan to imitate the Germans Kaiser and Peter introduced the Rank structure in Russian nobility to mimick the holy Roman empire.
df0346 No.556915
>>556889
Technically Franks were a germanic people.
2312da No.556923
>>556050
All monarchs must die. As an American, I have a natural distrust for them.
609777 No.556925
>>556680
Yes but my question remains unanswered. Of course neither were true allies and (((Britain))) always wanted the continent divided into weakened powers. Now, it was stated that Wilhelm wished to gain more favor with the British. Why ally with Russia and not Germany? Then stage the Red Cross/Schiff/Warburg takeover in Germany? We could've seen Hitler rise from Russia if you follow. After a failed coup there as it happened in Weimar. Did the British fear a victorious German ally more than a victorious Russian ally? Why? Both would be severely weakened even after victory, as was the case with Russia.
e82bbe No.556927
>>556923
I dunno man, they did sell us that absolutely gorgeous state of Alaska for absolutely nothing. Me thinks they're not too bad when left to their own and removing merchant. See the thing is when they don't bother you they aren't a problem.
726266 No.556931
>>556907
>>556911
It's hilarious to compare how lax exile to Siberia or prison was under the tsar to the gulags and prisons under the Soviets, which prided itself on being "humane".
e45344 No.556932
>>556925
Germany was set to outpace British industrial production and seize upon Ottoman discontent with their position in the world to gain access to Middle Eastern oil, as well as Wilhelm wanting a colonial empire and accidentally shitposting about everyone in Europe in a newspaper interview he expected to be off-the-record right before the war.
609777 No.556933
>>556923
Being American doesn't create that feeling in your nature. Being European does. You have European blood do you not? That determines your nature. We are wired to respect meritocratic authority more than aristocratic authority. You'd respect an aristocrat who was truly worth his salt. Who proved it to you. Your ancestors who came here didn't necessarily do so because they had any more disgust for monarchy. There's multitudes of reasons.
d70326 No.556935
>>556923
>>556933
>You would respect an aristocrat that was truly worth his salt
I would honestly agree with this and every deeply patriot American I have ever met would to if they think about it. The aristocrats we worship are the founding fathers and if Washington was so inclined he could have been king and no one would have tried to stop him.
18b646 No.556938
>>556914
>much to the chagrin of modern slavs
The only reason slavs don't like germany in the present day is that since 1990 germany has been fag central. During the cold war they respected and liked them. Then during WWII they hated germans. Then before WWI they were ok with them…. It's a love hate history dating back to when germans thought it would be fun to row up a river and steal a bunch of slav farmers daughters.
>rest of post
Eh? You aren't aware most Russians are descended from varangians? In myth, Slav people held a big zbor (pow wow) of all slav tribes back during hun invasions and decided to invite viking mercenaries to be their kings.
Only downside was that Germans turn into absolutely insane maniacs if they inbreed even a little.
e05fec No.556950
>>556938
I'm actually of the opinion that much of slav genetic stock is the same as Germans before proto slavs spread out and came to dominate eastern Europe that land was populated almost entirely by Goths burgundians and sarmatians the remnants of these people who survived the hunnic invasion were absorbed by the slavs. Then in the middle ages Vikings settled the land and formed the aristocracy of the Rus. Then from the 1500's until the modern period eastern Europe's nobility was almost entirely interchangeable with German nobility.
2312da No.556954
>>556927
They sold it for personal gain and fucked their own people in the process. No man should tolerate a monarch to rule him.
>>556933
Yeah, I might have European ancestry, but seeing as how cucked and retarded Europeans are, I'd never like to share in their feelings. America is special, different from the rest. And while I might respect an aristocrat, I certainly wouldn't let him rule over my by merit of birth. The Mexicans had it right when they shot Maximilian in the face.
e05fec No.556959
>>556954
>America is different from europe, special
Everything about the US from it's goverment form to its rule of law religion and the language you speak are from Europe. America is a European colony it was when we started to disconnect ourselves from that understanding that everything went to shit.
e82bbe No.556960
>>556954
>Personal gain
Man, they had to pay for the Crimean war as well as reforms that abolished serfdom and gave those folk their freedom. The only thing that got fucked was the Russian-American company in that deal but at that point it wasn't much of a company.
726266 No.556967
>>556931
Found the passage I was thinking of from the Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn.
>The old fellow with the lively eyebrows — and at sixty-three he in no way bore himself like an old man — was Anatoly Ilyich Fastenko. He was a big asset to our Lubyanka cell — both as a keeper of the old Russian prison traditions and as a living history of Russian revolutions. Thanks to all that he remembered, he somehow managed to put in perspective everything that had taken place in the past and everything that was taking place in the present. Such people are valuable not only in a cell. We badly need them in our society as a whole.
>Right there in our cell we read Fastenko's name in a book about the 1905 Revolution. He had been a Social Democrat for such a long, long time that in the end, it seemed, he had ceased to be one.
>He had been sentenced to his first prison term in 1904 while still a young man, but he had been freed outright under the "manifesto" proclaimed on October 17, 1905.
>[Who among us has not learned by heart from our school history courses, as well as from the Short Course in the history of the Soviet Communist Party, that this "provocative and foul manifesto" was a mockery of freedom, that the Tsar had proclaimed: "Freedom for the dead, and prison for the living"? But the epigram was bogus. The manifesto declared that all political parties were to be tolerated and that a State Duma was to be convened, and it provided for an amnesty which was honest and extremely extensive. (The fact that it had been issued under duress was something else again.) Indeed, under its terms none other than all political prisoners without exception were to be released without reference to the term and type of punishment they had been sentenced to. Only criminals remained imprisoned. The Stalin amnesty of July 7, 1945 — true, it was not issued under duress — was exactly the opposite. All the political prisoners remained imprisoned.]
>His story about that amnesty was interesting. In those years, of course, there were no muzzles on the prison windows, and from the cells of the Belaya Tserkov Prison in which Fastenko was being held the prisoners could easily observe the prison courtyard and the street, and all arrivals and departures, and they could shout back and forth as they pleased to ordinary citizens outside. During the day of October 17, these outsiders, having learned of the amnesty by telegraph, announced the news to the prisoners. In their happiness the political prisoners went wild with joy. They smashed windowpanes, broke down doors, and demanded that the prison warden release them immediately. And were any of them kicked right in the snout with jackboots? Or put in punishment cells? Or was anyone deprived of library and commissary privileges? Of course not! In his distress, the warden ran from cell to cell and implored them: "Gentlemen! I beg of you, please be reasonable! I don't have the authority to release you on the basis of a telegraphed report. I must have direct orders from my superiors in Kiev. Please, I beg of you. You will have to spend the night here." And in actual fact they were most barbarously kept there for one more day.
>[After Stalin's amnesty, as I will recount later, those amnestied were held in prison for another two or three months and were forced to slog away just as before. And no one considered this illegal.]
>On getting back their freedom, Fastenko and his comrades immediately rushed to join the revolution. In 1906 he was sentenced to eight years at hard labor, which meant four years in irons and four in exile. He served the first four years in the Sevastopol Central Prison, where, incidentally, during his stay, a mass escape was organized from outside by a coalition of revolutionary parties: the SR's, the Anarchists, and the Social Democrats. A bomb blew a hole in the prison wall big enough for a horse and rider to go through, and two dozen prisoners — not everyone who wanted to escape, but those who had been chosen ahead of time by their parties and, right inside the prison, had been equipped with pistols by the jailers — fled through the hole and escaped. All but one: Anatoly Fastenko was selected by the Russian Social Democratic Party not to escape but to cause a disturbance in order to distract the attention of the guards.
726266 No.556968
>>556967
>On the other hand, when he reached exile in the Yenisei area, he did not stay there long. Comparing his stories (and later those of others who had survived) with the well-known fact that under the Tsar our revolutionaries escaped from exile by the hundreds and hundreds, and more and more of them went abroad, one comes to the conclusion that the only prisoners who did not escape from Tsarist exile were the lazy ones — because it was so easy. Fastenko "escaped," which is to say, he simply left his place of exile without a passport. He went to Vladivostok, ex- pecting to get aboard a steamer through an acquaintance there. Somehow it did not work out. So then, still without a passport, he calmly crossed the whole of Mother Russia on a train and went to the Ukraine, where he had been a member of the Bolshevik underground and where he had first been arrested. There he was given a false passport, and he left to cross the Austrian border. That particular step was so routine, and Fastenko felt himself so safe from pursuit, that he was guilty of an astonishing piece of carelessness. Having arrived at the border, and having turned in his passport to the official there, he suddenly discovered he could not remember his new name. What was he to do? There were forty passengers altogether and the official had already begun to call off their names. Fastenko thought up a solution. He pretended to be asleep. He listened as the passports were handed back to their owners, and he noted that the name Makarov was called several times without anyone responding. But even at this point he was not absolutely certain it was his name. Finally, the dragon of the imperial regime bent down to the underground revolutionary and politely tapped him on the shoulder: "Mr. Makarov! Mr. Makarov! Please, here is your passport!"
>Fastenko headed for Paris. There he got to know Lenin and Lunacharsky and carried out some administrative duties at the Party school at Longjumeau. At the same time he studied French, looked around him, and decided that he wanted to travel farther and see the world. Before the war he went to Canada, where he worked for a while, and he spent some time in the United States as well. He was astonished by the free and easy, yet solidly established life in these countries, and he concluded that they would never have a proletarian revolution and even that they hardly needed one.
>Then, in Russia, the long-awaited revolution came, sooner than expected, and everyone went back to Russia, and then there was one more Revolution. Fastenko no longer felt his former passion for these revolutions. But he returned, compelled by the same need that urges birds to their annual migrations.
726266 No.556969
>>556968
>[Soon after Fastenko returned to the Motherland, he was followed by a Canadian acquaintance, a former sailor on the battleship Potemkin, one of the mutineers, in fact, who had escaped to Canada and become a well-to-do farmer there. This former Potemkin sailor sold everything he owned, his farm and cattle, and returned to his native region with his money and his new tractor to help build sacred socialism. He enlisted in one of the first agricultural communes and donated his tractor to it. The tractor was driven any which way by whoever happened along and was quickly ruined. And the former Potemkin sailor saw things turning out very differently from the way he had pictured them for twenty years. Those in charge were incompetents, issuing orders that any sensible farmer could see were wild nonsense. In addition, he became skinnier and skinnier, and his clothes wore out, and nothing was left of the Canadian dollars he had exchanged for paper rubles. He begged to be allowed to leave with his family, and he crossed the border as poor as when he fled from the Potemkin. He crossed the ocean, just as he had done then, working his way as a sailor, because he had no money
for passages, and back in Canada he began life all over again as a hired hand on a farm.]
>When Fastenko returned to Russia, pressure was put on him, out of respect for his old underground exploits, to accept an important position. But he did not want to; instead, he accepted a modest post on the newspaper Pravda and then a still more modest one, and eventually he moved over to the Moscow City Planning office, where he worked in an inconspicuous job.
>I was surprised. Why had he chosen such a cul-de-sac? He ex- plained in terms I found incomprehensible. "You can't teach an old dog to live on a chain."
>Realizing that there was nothing he could accomplish, Fastenko quite simply wanted, in a very human way, to stay alive. He had already gotten used to living on a very small pension — not one of the "personal" pensions especially assigned by the government, because to have accepted that sort of thing would have called attention to his close ties to many who had been shot. And he might have managed to survive in this way until 1953. But, to his misfortune, they arrested another tenant in his apartment, a debauched, perpetually drunken writer, L. S v, who had bragged somewhere while he was drunk about owning a pistol. Owning a pistol meant an obligatory conviction for terrorism, and Fastenko, with his ancient Social Democratic past, was naturally the very picture of a terrorist. Therefore, the interrogator immediately proceeded to nail him for terrorism and, simultaneously, of course, for service in the French and Canadian intelligence services and thus for service in the Tsarist Okhrana as well.
9b41f9 No.556988
2312da No.556992
>>556959
Yeah, no. If I wanted to be like Europe, I'd vote Democrat. Fuck that.
8dcbea No.557328
>>556933
>>556935
Aristocrats are people who have wealth and privilege because there great great great grandfather did something. Personally in my onion people should only achieve high social standing and privilege based on there own accomplishments. The aristocrats also treated the commoners pretty bad. During the Russian Revolution the Russian people knew exactly what they were getting into when they supported the Bolsheviks. Think of how bad of a system it would be in order for you to prefer Communism. That’s aristocrats for you. The French did the right thing by killing them.
55e803 No.557329
299694 No.557330
>>556967
>>556968
>>556969
>trusting Jews
You need to leave
b59f7a No.557331
>>557328
The French killed the aristocracy in exchange for the merchants. Not really much of a benefit.
e1e5be No.557479
>>556627
>Slavs are white, often even ginger and green eyed, or blonde and blue eyed. That's good enough for me.
You sound like a retarded slavaboo or a butthurt Slav. I think it's the former, because you don't even know that Bulgaria is a Slavic country.
>I don't have to answer a statement as dumb as "AH annexted nothing… except the one country."
By your own logic Russia is the big bad evil here, because they annexed (and not annexted) Bessarabia. But you conveniently ignore that. At least read fucking wikipedia articles if you are too lazy to get some history books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_crisis#Exchange_of_letters
>On 2 July 1908, Russian Foreign Minister Alexander Izvolsky sent a letter to Austro-Hungarian Foreign Minister Alois Aehrenthal and proposed a discussion of reciprocal changes to the 1878 Treaty of Berlin in favour of the Russian interest in the Straits of Constantinople and Austro-Hungarian interests in the annexation of Bosnia-Herzegovina and the Sanjak of Novi Pazar.
Now tell me that the Russian foreign minister of the time had nothing to do with Russia.
>Wrong faggot.
Wrong, faggot. You are supposed to put a comma here.
>Assasination of Ferdinand had fuck all to do with Serbs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_(Serbia)#Assassination_of_Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand
>Just prior to World War I, under the orders of Apis the Chief of Serbian Military Intelligence, Serbian Military Officers of the Black Hand organized and facilitated the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria on occasion of his visit to Sarajevo, Bosnia. This was not approved by the Serbian Government, but was a private initiative by Apis, who was also leader of the Black Hand. The Austro-Hungarian investigation of the assassination rounded up all but one of the assassins and also much of the underground railroad that had been used to transport the assassins and their weapons from Serbia to Sarajevo.
Now, you will point at the part where it says it was not aproved by the Serbian Government. But do you know what else wasn't approved by the Serbian Government? The May Coup, which you conviniently ignored.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Coup_(Serbia)
>The May Coup (Serbian: Мајски преврат, Majski prevrat) was a coup d'état in which Serbian King Alexander Obrenović and his wife, Queen Draga, were assassinated inside the Royal Palace in Belgrade on the night of 10-11 June [O.S. 28-29 May] 1903. This act resulted in the extinction of the House of Obrenović which had been ruling the Kingdom of Serbia since the middle of the 19th century. The assassination of the royal couple was organized by a group of army officers led by then-Captain Dragutin Dimitrijević Apis. After the May Coup, the Serbian throne passed to the rival House of Karađorđević. The coup had a significant influence on Serbia's relations with other European powers; the house of Obrenović was mostly allied to Austria-Hungary, while the Karađorđević dynasty had close ties both with Russia[1] and France. Both dynasties were receiving financial support from their powerful foreign sponsors.
And again:
>Unification or Death (Serbian: Уједињење или смрт / Ujedinjenje ili smrt), popularly known as the Black Hand (Црна рука / Crna ruka), was a secret military society formed on 9 May 1911 by officers in the Army of the Kingdom of Serbia, originating in the conspiracy group that assassinated the Serbian royal couple (1903), led by captain Dragutin Dimitrijević "Apis".
Do you honestly believe that Apis and co had no connection to the Russian secret services of the time?
e1e5be No.557483
>>556627
>subjective judgement
Turning your attention towards decades old conclusions drawn by historians is hardly subjective judgement.
>random
We are on an anonymous message board, not being random would be the real insult, you non-random faggot.
>hyperbiased
I'm not the one going on about how Slavs are hwite, without knowing that without Scandinavian conquerors there would be no Russia, or being surprized that by the 19th century the average Russian noble spoke French. You again proved your ignorance on even more subjects.
>hairy
Are you a hairless sissyboy? That would explain why you are so obsessed with that big Russian bear, you lil' fuckboi.
>troll
And you also have no idea what trolling means.
>the "will" of a government consisting of hundreds of thousands of people
You evidently don't know how governments work, because properly working governments do have a collective will, and that collective will is shaped by the people at the very top. Especially if said governments are headed by an autocratic ruler, like an emperor.
>that lived a century ago
We can draw the profile of historically significant people who lived ten centuries ago, or maybe even more.
>with all filed burned to the ground in two world wars
But they didn't, and even then we have a significant amount of accounts from the time, therefore we can figure out what happened for the most part, and make educated guesses based on the available information. You are on the side of the jews who say the holohoax happened they say it happened, and they just can't prove it because the gnadzees burned all the "documents" that could prove them right.
>The fuck does this have to do with AH which is 1000 km away from the black sea?
It's actually closer to 800km, but much more importantly it's part of the explanation as to why they wanted control over the Balkans, other than the land and the people. Again, you don't seem to be familiar with the realpolitik of the time.
>the part where AH sided with turks and stabbed Russia in the back
Wait, what? The next conflict in the region after 1848-49 was the Crimean war, in which the French and British sided with the Ottomans against Russia. So then, why did Russia fought on the same with the French and the British against the Ottomans in ww1?
>despite Russians sending their boys to die in a war to protect the Hapsburgs from traitorous Hungarians?
Again, you know nothing about the Holy Alliance, or the war of 1848-49.
>Yes you are.
Don't try to insult others if you don't have anything to insult them with, you hairless slavaboo faggot.
f5f5ef No.557486
>>556889
>>556886
>>556914
You're all morons ignorant of Russian history.
>Weren't the original Rus people germanophones?
While the commonly accepted legend states that Rurik and co were Swedish, it's highly disputed due to it being just that, a legend that was only written down hundreds of years later. So I would say, yes you are correct, but that is highly irrelevant, since we are talking about the Romanov dynasty which came much later, not to mention Peter I's reforms which thoroughly westernized the country and radically changed it's culture.
>Meanwhile common people call germans немецкий from *němъ for "mute” because they couldn't speak other languages. And "slovene" means lettered man, as in 'we've got written language y'all."
This is correct and not correct at the same time. Allow me to explain. In ye olde times, when the Slavs were a single nation, they called pretty much all foreigners niemtsi, much like the Greeks called all foreigners Barbaroi, which indeed means mutes, and for Germans this name simply stuck around. Slavs did not have a written language, their name comes from the word "slovo" which means "word", in other words, the world was divided into "people that speak" and "mutes". That is as far as that goes.
>Yes, I don't know where he's getting french from.
After Peter I's reforms, French became the fashionable language of the educated, while Russian was the language of the poorfag commoners.
f5f5ef No.557489
>>556938
>Eh? You aren't aware most Russians are descended from varangians? In myth, Slav people held a big zbor (pow wow) of all slav tribes back during hun invasions and decided to invite viking mercenaries to be their kings.
>800 A.D.
>Hunnic invasion
Where are you getting this from?
39e8d9 No.557493
>>556886
>Weren't the original Rus people germanophones?
You cannot imagine how funny your post looks since "rosy" was a Byzantium word for vikings assimilated in Kyiv.
>>557486
>In ye olde times, when the Slavs were a single nation
Lel, even French people started to form a single nation no earlier than during Louis XI, not to mention separated Slavs.
f5f5ef No.557498
>>557493
Slavs were a collection of tribes that spoke a single language. I would say that does qualify as a single nation my protoukr friend.
39e8d9 No.557502
>>557486
>While the commonly accepted legend states that Rurik and co were Swedish, it's highly disputed
Maybe it's highly disputed among some local stormfags making up Obotriti theories. It's well-knows from plenty of sources elites in that time consisted of Slavs mixed with immediately assimilated vikings taking Slavic names and paganism.
>After Peter I's reforms, French became the fashionable language of the educated
It was well after him, he itself was a dutch-germanfag.
>>557498
There wasn't really a single language. So basically you're claiming Slavs did melt into a single nation centuries before even those lucky French? Well, ok then, it's stupid but I'm too flattered to disagree anyways.
39e8d9 No.557503
39e8d9 No.557505
>>557493
>>556886
>germanophones
>phoNes
Oh shi, i'm sorry for being so blind. Your post is ok, I've just read it first without glasses as a "germanophobes" kek. My apologies.
f5f5ef No.557515
>>557502
>There wasn't really a single language. So basically you're claiming Slavs did melt into a single nation centuries before even those lucky French? Well, ok then, it's stupid but I'm too flattered to disagree anyways.
There really was. It's a well documented fact that all slavs spoke proto-slavic during the early stages of their expansion in Eastern Europe in 500-700 A.D.
>So basically you're claiming Slavs did melt into a single nation
Are you being retarded on purpose? The Slavs were a single nation, however because they were spread over such vast territory and were not politically united in any way, local cultures and dialects diverged so much from the original so as to become their own nations and languages. This is undisputed historical fact. I don't really understand what alternative you are proposing so as to compensate for your country's FYROM tier lack of history and identity.
e1e5be No.557522
>>557515
I think the problem here is that they certainly weren't a nation in the way we think of nations. Instead at first they were a bunch of tribes related by blood and culture (maybe all of them were the descendants of a single tribe), but that doesn't make them a nation. Otherwise Australian aboriginals would be a nation too (or 2-3). Of course as those tribes spread further away they diverged more and more.
f5f5ef No.557528
>>557522
Obviously they were divided into different tribes, but so were the Gauls and the Germans during the Roman times. Does that mean that the Germans and Gauls didn't have a unified cultural identity back then? Lacking a nation state doesn't really mean that there is no nation, because a nation is a collection of people who are unified by common ancestry and culture, not by belonging to a single political entity.
e1e5be No.557530
>>557528
>Does that mean that the Germans and Gauls didn't have a unified cultural identity back then?
Does the word "nation" mean "a unified cultural identity"? Because it might mean that for you, but not for him.
3734c4 No.557537
>>557493
>even French people started to form a single nation no earlier than during Louis XI
Nation != Nation state.
0e01ef No.557572
>>557328
>>556954
The word used was 'naturally'. You haven't refuted anything. I already understand WHY you don't like aristocracy. I don't either. Being American does not make you 'naturally' despise aristocrats anymore than Europeans. Both respect meritocracy and not any dysgenic aristocracy. An aristocrat can prove his merit beyond birth in a meritocracy. Therefore it is foolish to blindly hate aristocrats and say it is naturally American. There are eugenic aristocrats. It is not foolish to hate the idea of aristocracy, but again that is not naturally American. You should not hate the natural reality of inequality by birth which will exist even outside of aristocracy, you should hate those who squander their destiny. In a meritocracy void of a jew central bank, you do not simply redistribute all the wealth that meritorious aristocratic families garnered through generations. You do not build a society on exceptions, you build them on general laws of nature. You remain conservative and assume those at the top are there for a reason. You do not start their kin and the kin of all future successful generations out on the bottom. You are for eugenics are you not? Generally speaking these people rose to the top because of their genetics. Again, ideally we take jew swindling out of the equation. Their inherited wealth is their birth right just like you being white and apart of a white nation is your birth right. There might be a super chink more eugenic than a dysgenic white, but that doesn't mean we don't reward the white by birth and place him higher. We remain true to a natural order that has shown what is best for the whole nation. If you squander what is yours by birth, then shame on you. Then shame on them. Now where you will be satisfied with a meritocracy is in the fact that YOU can rise to the same level of that aristocrat if you have the merit. An aristocrat can then fall as well. Both of you are subject to the same laws. Did they start with an advantage? Yes. They did. Nature is not equal. Nature is not only about YOU. What is best for the nation is rewarding kin with the success of a previous generation because we conservatively estimate that great genetics are present. Having more pressure to rise to their level causes you to become a diamond amongst them as you prove your genetics are of equal worth. This is called justice. Both Americans and Europeans 'naturally' have an affinity for justice.
Also wtf niggers need to learn the difference between nation and state. Race (blood) → people (culture) → nation (blood and culture on the land) → state (political body)
f5f5ef No.557575
>>557572
All U.S. presidents have been descendants of aristocrats. Aristocracy is simply ye olde applied eugenics program.
0e01ef No.557576
>>556932
Russia was set to outpace British industrial production and seize upon Ottoman discontent with their position in the world to gain access to Middle Eastern oil?
5d5707 No.557594
>>557576
Russia would have taken longer and French bankers owned all their industry so it was less of a challenge, also the British and French deliberately intervened on the side of the Ottomans in the 1850s to keep the whole "balance of power" charade going. Supporting the Ottomans meant they couldn't support Russia, and with the Turks constantly on the brink of collapse in the last 100 years of its empire it became a concrete position.
Only problem was Germany began to offer a better deal for Turkey and with Churchill (the same one in WW2) seizing three major ships they were building for the Turkish Navy right at the start of the war they had no reason to side with the Entente during WW1. At that point the Brits assumed that the Ottoman Empire was the sick man of Europe and anyone could just kick the door down and take the oil, so let's do it before the Germans did but it turned out to be harder than they predicted.
tldr; Bad deal making.
0e01ef No.557610
>>557594
Thank you. Is it true that the British were not letting Rockefeller/USA in on Middle East oil at this point as Roosevelt's Communist Manifesto asserts?
cc3b38 No.557620
>>557515
I've already said "I'm too flattered to disagree anyways", why are you keep arguing? Eastern Slavic history being overrated by anyone won't hurt me, we wuz single unified nation in the modern meaning of this word, let it be.
cc3b38 No.557622
>>557522
>maybe all of them were the descendants of a single tribe
That was more complicated. If you can read this using a translator here's some scientific data on our genesis: https://site.ua/khavryuchenko.oleksiy/9096-geny-ukrainy-topor---orudie-prikladnoy-genetiki/
af6d75 No.557744
>>557610
The US was running protectionist tariffs at the time so I doubt the Brits would have let them in on any resources they were holding, in any case until the Rothschilds did their bailout of the New York Stock Exchange in 1907 and had the Fed established to secure the fate of any future in Europe.
af6d75 No.557745
6e2752 No.558996
>>557330
It is not a crime to read, Strelok. Especially when Solzhenitsyn wrote one of the most scathing critiques of Bolshevik Russia that exist and can actually be cited.