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There's no discharge in the war!

File: 66feec00e041ebe⋯.jpeg (801.19 KB, 2592x1402, 1296:701, serveimage.jpeg)

File: 5046078d3df811c⋯.png (73.79 KB, 750x250, 3:1, RS556_Sturmgewehr_02.png)

4a3f34 No.549578

http://augengeradeaus.net/2018/02/g36-nachfolge-auch-rheinmetall-steyr-mannlicher-steigt-aus/

>Im Wettbewerb für eine neue Standardwaffe für die Bundeswehr als Nachfolger des Sturmgewehrs G36 verzichtet ein weiteres Unternehmen auf die Beteiligung. Nach Informationen von Augen geradeaus! reichte der Zusammenschluss des deutschen Rüstungsunternehmens Rheinmetall mit dem österreichischen Gewehrhersteller Steyr-Mannlicher bis zum Angebotsschluss am (gestrigen) Donnerstag kein Angebot für eine neue Waffe ein. Zuvor hatte bereits das Unternehmen SigSauer sein Angebot für das neue Sturmgewehr-System zurückgezogen.

>Die überraschende Absage von Rheinmetall und Steyr-Mannlicher, die mit dem Sturmgewehr RS556 hatten antreten wollen, wurde zunächst offiziell weder bestätigt noch dementiert. Das Bundesamt für Ausrüstung, Informationstechnik und Nutzung der Bundeswehr (BAAINBw) erklärte auf Nachfrage, zu Details eines laufenden Vergabeverfahrens würden keine Einzelheiten mitgeteilt. Ein Rheinmetall-Sprecher sagte lediglich: Rheinmetall wird das nicht kommentieren.

>Bislang ist unklar, ob nach dem Rückzug der beiden anderen deutschen Unternehmen die Firma Heckler&Koch der einzige Bieter für das neue System Sturmgewehr ist. Die Firma aus dem Schwarzwald dürfte mit einem neu entwickelten Produkt, der Gewehrfamilie HK433, zu der Ausschreibung antreten.

>Möglicherweise beteiligen sich auch weitere Unternehmen aus dem Ausland an dem Wettbewerb, dazu wollte das BAAINBw ebenfalls nichts sagen. Allerdings wurden von vornherein den drei deutschen Firmen die größten Chancen eingeräumt. Wenn davon nur Heckler&Koch als Anbieter übrig bleibt, steigt die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass der Hersteller des bisherigen Standardgewehrs G36 auch der Lieferant der neuen Waffe sein wird.

>Die Bundeswehr hatte im April vergangenen Jahres die Rahmenvereinbarung für die Lieferung neuer Sturmgewehre europaweit ausgeschrieben. Insgesamt sollen rund 120.000 Waffen als Ersatz für das G36 beschafft werden, das nach Trefferproblemen aufgrund von hoher Schussbelastung und/oder Hitzeeinwirkung als nicht mehr präzise genug angesehen wurde. Verteidigungsministerin Ursula von der Leyen hatte deshalb die Suche nach einem Ersatz angeordnet – die allerdings angesichts der Mitte der 1990-er Jahre begonnen Nutzung des G36 ohnehin angestanden hätte.

>Anfang September 2017 hatte das BAAINBw so genannte geeignete Unternehmen zur einem Angebot für ein neues Gewehr aufgefordert. Mit der Entscheidung über die Wahl der neuen Waffe wird frühestens für Ende dieses Jahres gerechnet.

Basically: Rheinmetall and Steyr-Mannlicher were cooperating with a design for a weapon for the Bundeswehr contract to repalce the G36. They already had a rifle ready. The deadline to mail in their application was yesterday (8th of January 2018, 23:59:59). Rheinmetall/Steyr-Mannlicher refused to send in a rifle of their design, essentially withdrawing from the contest. Previously SigSauer had also withdrawn, presumably leaving only H&K, and possibly foreign (European) manufacturers. Domestic manufacturers will however presumably be preferred, because nobody wants to deal with having to send all your arms across borders for repairs/replacements.

It's still not 100% certain that the HK433 will win, but something around 90% would be a good guess.

Pictures:

HK433 (H&K rifle that entered the competition)

RS 556 (Rheinmetall/Steyr-Mannlicher rifle that didn't enter the competition)

050809 No.549586

File: ebb3fa59fd0850c⋯.gif (44.42 KB, 600x2300, 6:23, romcom.gif)

Is there anyone who honestly believes that it's not just a scheme to bail out H&K? I'm sure even the other team knew that, and it was just an opportunity to market that AUG turned into an AR-15.


4a3f34 No.549591

>>549586

Well, the CEO of SigSauer said that there were some pretty shifty things going on.

http://augengeradeaus.net/2017/11/g36-nachfolger-sigsauer-zieht-angebot-zurueck/

The whole ITAR thing kind of fucked Sig over, because they are partially foreign.

Rheinmetall did not yet comment on "why" they decided not to join.


64a913 No.549620

>>549586

>Is there anyone who honestly believes that it's not just a scheme to bail out H&K?

No.

I don't even believe the HK433 isn't a modernized HK33…


4a3f34 No.549645

>>549620

HK33 is roller delayed while the HK433 is a short stroke rotating bolt design (like the G36).

HK abandoned roller delayed systems quite some time ago.

They also seem to have dropped the carry handle and top charging handle, which makes sense.

I liked the top charging handle, but the carry handle we were never allowed to use anyways, so it was simply one massive hindrance because you would need a weapon specialist to mount different optics on your gun, which made the entire thing unpractical to use in any other role than basic infantry.

At least they kept a scifi A E T H E T I C S.


64a913 No.549704

File: 67cc56becb01743⋯.jpg (146.18 KB, 1200x416, 75:26, HK M-LOK.jpg)

>>549645

Until I have seen one field striped, I will remain unconvinced.

Because if you play on words a roller delayed gun is a "short gas piston" gun and they look way too close for comfort.


050809 No.549716

File: 2bf7b8aeea14d11⋯.jpg (464.19 KB, 1500x1125, 4:3, HK433right.jpg)

File: b95a06a04946d9f⋯.jpg (461.18 KB, 1500x1125, 4:3, HK433left.jpg)

File: 1055572fe4428ba⋯.jpg (853.32 KB, 1500x1125, 4:3, HK433theory.jpg)

>>549704

The receiver is indeed rather strange. I've heard that it's extruded aluminium, but if that's true then it needs some machining to end up like this. And you don't need these ribs on the sides if you just want to use a glorified AR-18 mechanism. But if it's indeed roller delayed then I can see the merit here.


86ce5a No.549728

>>549716

you'd hope it's just machined rather than extruded, since that's purely a cost-saving process and offers only disadvantages to durability.

the 433 is kinda cool, and kinda disappointing in a kike spacegun way, the exterior has consolations to looks over function.


cc9599 No.549730

Looks like some kind of retarded Halo LARP gun.

Why don't they make firearms look like firearms anymore?


86ce5a No.549731

>>549730

>make larping gun

>use penismod on the handguards

shameful


8f4607 No.549842

>>549716

>And you don't need these ribs on the sides if you just want to use a glorified AR-18 mechanism.

Right?

And also why the fuck would the charging handle be all the way to the front when you could put it anywhere?

It's certainly not there on a AR-18 (nor any subsequent variants).


c3a056 No.549847

Hooktube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>549728

The whole point of this rifle is to be cheap (by that company's standards), and machining all of that out doesn't sound cheap to me, even if it's aluminium. But then again, why would they make such a complicated shape when the SCAR can get away with just a few cuts and a rail?

>>549842

There actually is one, although I doubt HK would look at it for inspiration.


4a3f34 No.549867

File: 15ea7982ff9f7c0⋯.png (7.86 KB, 640x400, 8:5, shizzy.png)

>>549842

>>549716

The place where the charging handle is located at is roughly where the short stroke piston of the G36 would be at. Considering that the handle is non reciprocating it may be that they attached a charging handle system to the gas piston, kind of like pic related. 9 trillion hours of GIMP.


4a3f34 No.549873

File: d36a39ac0208d5b⋯.jpg (123.46 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, charginghandle.jpg)

File: 66ec94cd6787332⋯.jpg (188.64 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, charginghandle2.jpg)

File: 13cedba734e0c84⋯.jpg (183.6 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, ejection.jpg)

File: cf7ce23533bd4be⋯.jpg (106.12 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, forawrd assist.jpg)

Actually, scratch that.

I have taken a look at some of the videos posted online, and found that the handle is not only non reciprocating, but can also be used as a forward assist.

What is this space magic?


4a3f34 No.549878

Hooktube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

German video, but the important parts are of visual nature.

HK433 begins at roughly 3:40

Non reciprocating, charging handle with forward assist function and the option to take of the handle and place it on the other side. I really want to see her naked now.


7159f4 No.549882

>>549873

The MSBS has that too, I think you push it inwards and it forces a peg into the bolt carrier, which can then be used to push the bolt forward. I assume it's spring loaded so that you don't leave it attached to the bolt by accident.


86ce5a No.550008

File: 5d8b6feabc04976⋯.png (5.76 KB, 958x660, 479:330, a0561648b5e8f416b1c4a1b2f4….png)

>>549847

audism :DDDD

>>549842

because it's really easy to use up there. it's on the bolt on the AR-18 because that's simpler.


7bd1b8 No.550270

>>549878

>Non reciprocating, charging handle with forward assist function and the option to take of the handle and place it on the other side.

So not suspiciously like the CZ Bren at all?

Again maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't make sense when literally every country in the EU is buying 416/417, when the 417 are in service in the German army to suddenly go for another rifle unless it's the usual cash grab/government bailout for H&K.


6a1665 No.550521

>>549578

The stock on the RS 556 looks like sex. I wish it were available as a part.


86ce5a No.550537

>>550521

i like the flush clean dust cover


45d36a No.550573

Why replace the G36 already?


7159f4 No.550575

>>550573

HK wants more shekels


ee24c3 No.550602

>ugg boot stock

Fuck I hate that thing. There better be an adapter to switch to AR compatible stocks


6f31da No.550633

>>550270

That's what it is. To sum up the whole story:

>Germany: we need a NATO compatible rifle

>HK: sure, give money

<A few moments later

>HK: Here, have the brand new G41 (G3 on 5.56 with STANG and fine tuned for whatever shitty load they were using)

>Germany: Scrap that, we want the most modern rifle for out most modern soldiers, nobody cares about NATO standards anymore, but stick to this shitty 5.56 load

>HK: Sure thing, give moneys

>Germany: And put two sights on it!!

>HK: Ok, more money

>Germany: Sure, sure, whatever

<Some superior Kraut engineering

>HK: (Voilà in German) It has more plastic than Schindler's Tupperware factory, but way less jews worked on it

>HK: Oh, by the way, we kind of wasted 80% of the budget on developing this polymer, everything else is an AR18… the sights are cheap shit we shoved in to stay under the price limit, hope you don't mind

>Germany: Nice, looks futuristic, I don't care about the rest

>Germany's green party: Hold up xer horses! That polymer has more than 80% of dead dinosaurs, our politically correct -social- engineer said it could use recycled ABS from Denmark

>HK: S-sure, I'll change it

<A few rounds down the barrel later

>Germany: HK, what the fuck?! The gun you sold me is melting!

>HK: Recycled polymer doesn't handle heat very well

>Germany's green party: Why there is high temperature in a gun? Global warning? Can we fix it with a wind turbine

>HK: Guns work with explosions, therefore heat

>Germany's green party: Whatever, just fix it, they we wasted a lot of money on a gun that melts!

>HK: Sure, let me just… Oh no! Mein weisswurst! We are almost broke… I guess we will need more money

>Germany: Fine, but that's the last time we save your company

<A few batches of the original polymer later

>HK: Ok, now it retains zero and you don't have to shove your skull into the scope in order to see shit through it. Now pay me more

>Germany: We already paid you lots of euro bucks

>HK: Oh… Right… But I need more money, almost on the red again

>Germany: Ok, ok, let me see what I can do…

<A few political extortions later

>Germany: Ok, we have good boy spain willing to spend 1/8 of what they are wasting on tourism and old buildings in order to get some guns. Latvia is also willing to suck mein koch just to be part of the EU

>HK: Good, good, this should last me another year or two…

>Germany: Wait, what?

>HK: Nothing, nothing

<A few years more of neglecting any potential prívate market

>HK: We kind of need money again… You don't want us firing the only three working Muslims of Germany

>Germany: No! Please no. I'll get you the money right away!!

<A few words with the media later

>Germany: Ok, we told everyone the gun is melting again

>HK: But that's a lie, anyone can check how spaniards are doing with their guns…

>Germany: No one will notice, now shut up and make me a new gun that doesn't melt

>HK: You don't mind If we make another AR18 clone, right?

>Germany: What's an AR18?

>HK: Forget I said anything. I'll give you a brand new gun, don't worry

And that's pretty much it. A bit too long, but you get the idea.


0fe14a No.550638

>>550633

Summed up perfectly. Daisuki!


92adc9 No.550643

>>550633

So true it almost hurts


351001 No.550674

Where would we be without Japan? It is Germanys best ally even though Germany has become a suicidal edgelord tranny.


829bf4 No.550896

>>550674

I'm an argie actually


cfa022 No.561552

File: 7bb823b928e42b8⋯.jpg (20.94 KB, 660x277, 660:277, HK433 ver4.jpg)


6274ce No.561555

>>561552

Why is H&K bringing back the fish rifle stock?


c17524 No.561556

File: 2a899070ab10f19⋯.png (4.23 KB, 346x234, 173:117, 1504176612001.png)

>>561552

what the fug


5c5ba9 No.561557

>>561552

>that magazine angle


92f9f0 No.561561

>>561552

What the fuck!?


87d53d No.561562

File: c618646007f6dcb⋯.jpg (116.58 KB, 1380x920, 3:2, 89式modernselector.jpg)

File: 5712a9ce6568810⋯.jpg (109.26 KB, 1000x563, 1000:563, 89式rail.jpg)

File: bfa8dc06ea6011d⋯.jpg (166.65 KB, 800x682, 400:341, 89式.jpg)

>>550674

I seriously wonder what Japan would have gone in the 80s with if one of their manufacturers didn't have the AR18 technical package (the patents to which had expired) when they sought a new rifle.


6c0cf5 No.561563

File: 56660598dfb2f81⋯.jpg (27.99 KB, 379x468, 379:468, stunning shock and emptyne….jpg)

>>561552

>pic is version 4, including new HK's polymer mag

>version 5 is to come

Oh baby


92f9f0 No.561564

File: 31cbd5991e0db02⋯.png (352.72 KB, 1500x482, 750:241, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 3ed7699bf4b268b⋯.png (1.19 MB, 1000x750, 4:3, ClipboardImage.png)

>>561552

>The HK433 is currently competing in the Bundeswehr’s rifle selection trials along side the HK416 and reportedly an entry from Haenel Defence, likely the MK 556. No word on if the Steyr-Mannlicher RS556 is still involved in the trials. A rifle is due to be selected by 2019.

What do anons think?


c387d3 No.561586

File: b46d61203d228db⋯.jpeg (104.26 KB, 1219x557, 1219:557, 942F02C4-0A72-4B6A-9013-D….jpeg)

File: c4ab90fe4caa080⋯.jpeg (164.1 KB, 1543x694, 1543:694, 9F4EA621-923A-4A3D-A86E-7….jpeg)

File: 5b1d17ecee5e13b⋯.jpeg (787.52 KB, 1242x1079, 1242:1079, C6594986-06F3-49A3-9260-6….jpeg)

File: a292b025eb2bf33⋯.jpeg (271.45 KB, 1452x1321, 1452:1321, 3F5410DD-3F27-497C-87CB-7….jpeg)

File: fc7120aa06953b9⋯.jpg (101.97 KB, 1019x538, 1019:538, serveimage.jpg)

>>561564

That every feature down to the smallest pin still look exactly in the same place as the HK33.

And that there is now no doubt that the body was thinned down to the minimum to save weight which makes the bulge where the roller lock would be even more suspicious becasue it has been present all 4 versions…

Higher res pic and model 1.


cfa022 No.561588

File: dcd3b7f0478348e⋯.png (1002.25 KB, 1013x533, 1013:533, HK433_bulge.png)

>>561586

Literally 2 minutes in paint, but look at this. They even machined down that small part just before the stock, yet the bulge is still there.


6c0cf5 No.561592

File: b01220f610bfcd8⋯.jpg (19.78 KB, 512x384, 4:3, Boneitis.jpg)

>>561564

>those rails in the scope


1c53c5 No.561593

>>561592

It doubles as a dildo.


3d8911 No.561599

>>561593

The pinnacle of tacticool, i guess.


844842 No.561602

>>561592

I'd imagine UTG or some other airsoft turned real gun gear company would make that but goddamn that looks tacky as hell.


8b573a No.561618

File: ed007962cfb4408⋯.jpg (68.79 KB, 553x370, 553:370, HK's Newest Rifle.jpg)

>>561592

Germany scarcely has a functional military at this point, so they might as well just become glorified mall ninjas as the country collapses. Their ass backwards procurement and doctrine has proven that's practically what they want anyway.


0322fe No.561642

>>561592

Britain has Elcan Spectre scopes with mounted Trijicon red dot sights as standard issue if memory doesn't fail me.

Why can't they streamline their shit, I don't know.


af3752 No.561648

>>561592

That's like 7 or 10 years old since they first show the A3 model. It's a solid concept. I still have my concerns about how quick barrel change affects accuracy, for a military rifle (that usually aims for the 3MOA mark +/-) it should be ok without too much effort, for more demanding customers (civilian market) it becomes an issue.

Australia got rid off the quick change barrel since FE88.


3694d2 No.561685

>>550896

Why the

>a fucking dot

flag in that case?


af3752 No.561694

File: ebcd3bc38bff8c7⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 1.09 MB, 2560x1440, 16:9, IMG_20180316_155018897.jpg)

>>561685

I'm on a 3 months training course at Toyota plant

I'm posting on 8ch from the company phone, wish me luck.


c5d9de No.561695

>>561694

They pay for your hotel and travel? Sounds pretty fun


87d53d No.561699

>>561592

The side mount on the AUG makes sense, but damn why the fuck would you need more than the space for a small reflex sight?


af3752 No.561703

>>561695

Flight, apartment, expenses, 45 ameribucks a day for food and stuff and a rented bicycle. Can't fucking complain tbh fam.

I wish jap women could speak some English, trying to get unpaid pussy is not an easy task.

>>561699

It doesn't add too much weight and you could make a male-to-male weaver raíl adapter and attach two AUG together for extra fire power. Hell, with the adapter height you could get the exact spacing to use one scope per eye. Think about it.


7b141b No.561727

>>561694

Cool.

Since you are an argie, do you drink yerba mate? I recently started drinking it about 4 days ago with a brand called Amanda, it feels better than coffee but if you do drink it, are there any other brands you suggest?

Sage for OT and /int/ tier posting.


7b141b No.561728

File: 8a1d6c2e99ee581⋯.jpg (23.03 KB, 477x349, 477:349, 11129909_10202909868666976….jpg)

>>561727

>say sage

>actually forget to sage


8bd30b No.561733

>>549578

Why replace G36?

Rhetorical question, to take more goyishe geld


80bc96 No.561734

>>561733

HK is going bankrupt due to German export policy and needs a state bailout.


cfa022 No.561736

File: 908228929fca890⋯.png (13.15 KB, 1013x533, 1013:533, scope_idea.png)

>>561642

>Why can't they streamline their shit, I don't know.

What I don't understand is why nobody would at least make a square-shaped aluminium block for these scope-on-scope arrangements. At least they wouldn't look so hopelessly flimsy and haphazard.


af3752 No.561737

>>561727

I don't have any here, but I usually drink it on a daily basis. Amanda is low tier as fuck, see If you can get La Merced. Are you actually drinking mate the right way or you're using those faggy tea bag mate? Proper mate takes some skill to prepare, be sure to not burn the leaves, the taste gets terrible and you lose a lot of properties.


70f10e No.561738

>>561733

>>561734

All the G36 rifles I have seen were older than me.

They are simply coming to the end of their livespan. You could update the G36 and add a more sturdy connection between receiver and sight mount, but that's about the only improvement you could make. The rest works fine.

>>561618

Lol no. Sure it's bad, but it's far from "scarecly functioning". We have been downsized into hell, especially maintenance crews, which meant that we can't inspect our gear properly and thus half of it is considered "not ready", but in reality we use it daily anyways.

Four more years of von der Leine ;_;

>ass backwards […] doctrine

What the fuck are you talking about?


c17524 No.561741

File: 224c5647887b80c⋯.jpg (27.65 KB, 349x402, 349:402, 1516909695001.jpg)

>>561738

he probably means our government being cunts that cuck our country and with that the military


6bcd9e No.561746

>>561737

I use a ceramic mate gourd, since the calabaza ones seemed a bit too weak and fragile, also far more upkeep since there's a risk of mold and whatnot. No, I have loose tea, the price per gram on teabags is out of whack so I didn't consider it. I try not to pour boiling water, I just boil it then wait 2-3 minutes for it to cool down, would be a lot easier if I just bought a kettle with variable temperatures instead but alas I don't have one. Not yet anyway, might consider it in the future.

Luckily, I checked the store where I buy it from and La Merced was available but unfortunately only in 500 gram packs. A few euros more expensive but I'll live. I will definitely buy it next time, thanks. What about Cruz de Malta, Rosamonte and Taragui? I heard good things about some of them.


c387d3 No.561755

>>561733

>>561738

>Why replace G36?

Same reason as the FAMAS.

Most of them are fucking old and beat up (they were around when conscription was still a thing).

FAMAS are even worse because the army had to set up workshops to specifically made spare parts.

There would be nothing wrong with G2 (that are STANAG compliant unlike the F1) Felinized version (that got rid of most of the dubious shit ergonomy-wise), it's just that nobody make them…

Also the 416 we're getting come with those retarded 80€ full steel SA-80 HK mags…


42f908 No.561780

>>561592

Anon its for when you want to replace the stock with a fleshlight and put handles on the scope.


c17524 No.561783

File: 0133629f4469d3f⋯.png (47.62 KB, 997x844, 997:844, worries.png)

>>561780

>fleshlight

would you a hk? i would a hk


70f10e No.561796

So far the HK433 looks like it is everything the G36 had issues with. Nobody liked the original scopes, and nobody was allowed to use the carry handle anyways, so they got rid of both and instead added sight rails, which were so heavily requested that special forces bought the G36V en-masse just to be able to mount different sights.

Yet everybody loved the fact that the thing was light as fuck, so now we got a mix of aluminum and polymers for the new rifle.

Besides maybe the price, which hasn't been announced yet, so I guess we will wait and see.

>>561552

>>561564

Steyer/Rheinmetall is out. Red the article posted in the OP.

The only native German company left in the competition is HK. Then there is maybe colt, and some other minor foreign ones.

>>561783

I paid good money for an H. I would her so hard just to get my money's worth.


7694f8 No.561812

>>561796

How about Haenel?


70f10e No.561815

>>561812

>The only native German company left in the competition is HK


f24f80 No.562156

File: d46b4e732d8a3e6⋯.jpg (56.3 KB, 1230x600, 41:20, CR 223.jpg)

File: 6839a1a23576441⋯.jpg (217.58 KB, 1024x358, 512:179, RS9 G29.jpg)

>>561815

Anon Haenel is a native german company from the state of Thüringen. They were reformed in 2008, because the original company ended up in East Germany after WW2 and was integrated into the VEB Fahrzeug- und Jagdwaffenwerk „Ernst Thälmann“.

They are a subsidiary company of Merkel Jagd- und Sportwaffen which is currently owned by Caracal International LLC(before them Heckler&Koch), but that doesn't make them less German than Heckler&Koch, which currently is owned by a french guy.

During WW2 they were a producer of the Sturmgewehr 44, MP40 and MP18.

At the moment Haenel is the producer of the G29(military version of the RS8/9) sniper rifle for the Bundeswehr and CR 223 rifle for the Police in Hamburg.

Currently there is no real information if Haenel has entered the competition or if they have left it. Neither the Bundeswehr nor Haenel give statements about the topic.


70f10e No.562164

>>562156

Read, nigger. READ:

>The only native German company left in the competition is HK

Haenel either never entered or dropped out. The deadline for proposing a design is already past. Even if they wanted to enter now they couldn't.

Also: Haenel doesn't have the production capacity to make a couple hundred thousand rifles and accessories in the next few years. It is unlikely that they would be picked even if they had entered.


f24f80 No.562197

>>562164

Anon if you want to call other a nigger, you shouldn't make statements that are not backed up by a source.

The news article is just about Sig Sauer and Rheinmetall/Steyr-Mannlicher dropping out and that there are no information who is in the competition from the side of the Bundeswehr.

So we only know for a fact who is in the competition from the companies that have announced that they entered/left it, out of their own accord.

Until now Haenel is silent, so they could have made it into the competition and we don't know it.

>Also: Haenel doesn't have the production capacity to make a couple hundred thousand rifles and accessories in the next few years. It is unlikely that they would be picked even if they had entered.

Anon this is a bullshit argument, because neither does H&K have this capacity considering how slow they rolled out the G36 to the Bundeswehr and how slow they were at replacing the faulty and mediocre first generation Rifles the Bundeswehr got.

Also Haenel could fall back onto the Suhl Arms Alliance and get help from Merkel Jagd- und Sportwaffen if their own production capacity is not enough or until they have updated their capacity.


9db493 No.562208

>>562197

>>562164

This capacity issue seems to be a good argument for stamped weapons. Most of the initial cost comes from buying the machines, making the dies, and setting up the production lines. But you can easily outscore this process to other companies and only give a nice finish in the company. Although you could outscore that too.


98ad4d No.562376

>>549578

>H&K

So, nobody cares. They make good shit, but they're still the "you suck and we hate you company".


70f10e No.562382

>>562376

>but they're still the "you suck and we hate you company"

Care to explain what you mean with that? Their guns are good, never had a trouble with any of the service weapons I have had, despite all of them (except for the P8A1) being older than me.

Even the stone-age G3 I had was super precise and felt just fine to shoot and clean.


c06ab7 No.562383

>>562382

H&K like to treat their customers like shit from time to time. I once got told by a rep that I did not need anything more than a 3+1 in a SL7 even though 10 rounders exist and were in the H&K catalogue at the time. They did though get pissed off at US import laws and attempted to sue over the whole SL-8 dealio.

That SL7 though fucking wrecked brass like no other.


e62528 No.562385

>>562382

H&K aren't exactly friendly on catering to the US civilian market. Poor customer service and product support and the like.


98ad4d No.562397

>>562382

H&K is notorious in the US for shitting on the civilian markets. The only reason HKUSA exists in the first place is to sell submachine guns to the military and police and they'll get livid if you point out some civilians legally own MP5s here.

The HK443 is going to go the same way as the HK416: they'll make a civilian version that costs $2-3k just in time for MSBS to get a civilian Grot on the market for <$1k with Title II support, then H&K will pout, take their ball, and go home.


70f10e No.562400

File: ac76d3605267b0c⋯.jpeg (569.99 KB, 2500x1668, 625:417, serveimage.jpeg)

>>562383

>>562385

Huh, guess I never had to deal with their customer service. We also had literal boxes of spare parts lying in the armoury, so whenever anything even began to behave slightly out of ordinary we would just replace it, especially with the G36. Back in basic I remember telling the armorer that I heard a squeaking noise whenever I pulled the charging handle back. I didn't know that it was the spring compressing in the rear, so he just laughed and handed me three and come back to him with one that didn't squeak.

The brass thing is based on the fact that the Bundeswehr doesn't give a shit about brass. Look at the brass the MG3 or G3 punches out (especially the front of the case)

The "ejector" on the MG3 is more of a "punch it so hard that it flies out 100% of the time" device. Failure to eject isn't.The G36 isn't nearly as violent though. We only collect brass because we want to keep our ranges clean.

The SL7 is based on the G3, which just RIPS AND TEARS brass.


c06ab7 No.562405

>>562400

I know the G3 has a fluted chamber and roller delay is violent as fuck. Besides that its not like the military is ever going to reload the brass they use at the range.


453ddf No.562922

File: 1c67423a25e6e1f⋯.jpg (120.84 KB, 900x1200, 3:4, yerba-matte.jpg)

>>562208

Yeah, you just need a completely new design the company doesn't even have. There is a shit load of machining companies in Germany, they could increase production easily. The issue could be cost.

>>561746

Oh, good, ceramic is good (I prefer glass and so do most regional champions, but ceramic is also ok).

Cruz de Malta is good, has a rad logo and the added value of not giving in to Muslims bullshit. They wanted to enter the Jordan market, but -in spite of the warnings- they didn't change the packaging; Muslims burnt up all the cargo in the end, but they didn't backed down and that's deserves thumbs up from me.

A common kettle and some practice can get you on the right temperature. You want to be between 70 and 80 (lower is better). Boiling and cooling is ok, some people believe you lower the oxygen level after boiling it, I'm not sold on the idea.


2531e5 No.563012

>>562922

>I'm not sold on the idea

Unlike solids, gases become less soluble as the temperature of their solvent increases; it's why the polar seas are the most rich with oxygen


c0506a No.563036

>>561755

>beat up

If if still works, why can't you just produce new but upgraded ones and extra spare parts? I know you've done it before, but still. It would probably be more economic. I guess it would make sense in France's situation because you have the money to do it and could use the replacement. I'm curious, does France still have any infantry weapon manufacturers? I thought the company that produced the FAMAS went out of business, if you have any other companies that do make weapons, have they made anything new?

Also, Christ almighty, I swore the FAMAS was made in the early 90s, turns out I was off by 20 years.

>>562922

Glass wasn't available where I bought it from, but if I ever order from Germany or there are any here I'll definitely get one.

The logo on Cruz de Malta honestly was half the reason why I wanted to get it, it really is radical. They really know how to make their packaging look good. They were ballsy to send that kind of product to muslim lands, props.

Boiling and cooling is the easiest option at the moment, but I'll probably get a variable temperature electric kettle next month when I get muh neetbux. Doesn't help that my current kettle is a piece of shit and sometimes has burned my hand a few times since some steam can escape near the handle to the switch that turns it on.


c06ab7 No.563049

>>563036

Only small arms France makes is sporting ones if I recall, nice ones at that.


03c578 No.563067

>>561738

I understand your pain.

>tfw superfluous TVs and fridges are more important than rifles or working equipment

Wir haben nun schon so lange unsere Aufgaben mit schlechtem Material erledigt, das wir jetzt alles mit nichts bewerkstelligen können.

- unknown Bw Soldier


c17524 No.563068

File: 8e5cd85bb791df7⋯.png (55.12 KB, 299x315, 299:315, adolfshasanquestions.png)

>>563067

Putsch wann?


edf73b No.563105

>>563036

>If if still works, why can't you just produce new but upgraded ones and extra spare parts?

Because they stopped making them in 1994…

As in the newest FAMAS you can find is older than the soldier getting it.

The upgraded ones are from the lasts batches that were stockpiled.

>does France still have any infantry weapon manufacturers?

No. They all closed down in late 90's after the failed merger of FNH and MAB/MAC/MAS.

>if you have any other companies that do make weapons, have they made anything new?

There are sports rifle companies (Verney-Carron, PGM precision) and lots of small gunsmiths workshop that make really good weapons and all kind of shit and regularly have new products but it's largely for the internal hunting market and no-one can make 60 000 assault rifle in 5 years or something.




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