/k/ - Weapons

No because those helmets weren't bought on-mass by security agencies for their honeypot right wing groups.

>>549392

Fucking gay ass Praetorian Guard……

>>549394

>an eyeless ceramic face stares back at you with a hand upon the sheath of their sword

>wool knit gopnik wannabe nervously stares at you with some plastic fag shit in their hands that you would feel disgusted to be killed with

I dunno, a helmet like in that second image would look pretty terrifying barreling down on me, sharp stick in hand, emotionless save for the eyes.

The nipples do look pretty silly though.

>>549388

No, because its practical. Usually practical things dont seem fucking stupid like impractical things that seem tryhady.

>>549487

Oh god my sides

>>549499

>gas mask

Why must you remind me? Now I will have to be reminded of face plate death, on top of many whinging jew about delicing.

People who wore that were generally kings, so I don't think so…

Also.

>Not knowing of the japanese autist that wont stop until that shit actually exist.

>>549507

There have been mall ninjas for as long as there has been gear my friend.

>>549657

There is key difference m8. Today people who we call mall ninja's are civilians.

>>549659

True, but at that point in British history the line between combatant and civilian was … academic at best. Every man over the age of 12 was either a nobleman who was already trained for combat, a freeman who was sworn to answer his lords call for military service, or a villain/peasant who did not have the legal right to refuse his lords call for service.

>>549626

Do these janissaries also get their dicks cut off by insane desert monkeys wearing turbans while they're kids?

>>549666

>Be burger.

>Talk shit about history.

What a waste of trips.

Janissaries were the Ottoman empire one and only actually decent combat force.

It's probably purely a coincidence that they were exclusively made up of kidnapped christian non-turks slaves (typically slavs)… /sarcasm

No, because the guys wearing them actually did some brutal crazy shit.

Skull balaclavas are typically just faggot larpers and fatty pogs that want to act like they're hot shit.

The handful who've actually done anything while wearing one are usually just plain autistic.

>>549528

Splattered with a bit of blood that really would be kinda spooky to see in a fight.

I've never liked the human face helms or nippled and six-packed platebody armor styles, even outside of the fact that I'm more of a practical guy. If I want some aesthetic, I want it to look cooler than a human face.

>>549629

I hate that my head is super fat

>>549747

My old man is firmly of the opinion that america started going down the tubes when they stopped electing soldiers. I think you should only be able to vote if either you own a house, or have served in the military.

>>549388

Reminds me of an excerpt from Hagakure:

At the time of the attack on the castle at Shimabara, Tazaki Geki was wearing very resplendent armor. Lord

Katsushige was not pleased by this, and after that every time he saw something showy he would say, "That's just like

Geki's armor.''

In the light of this story, military armor and equipment that are showy can be seen as being weak and having no

strength. By them one can see through the wearer's heart.

Looking edgy or unoriginal would probably be more acceptable than trying to look excessively showy or fancy.

>>549629

That looks really cool and all but it’s probably not worth the loss of peripheral vision, and hearing. Also hair getting stuck in the fans will be fun.

>>549528

That's not a minion mask. The goofy will always be the most unnerving.

>>549747

k

>>549388

Strelok the skul balaclavas are made by machines handled by chinks or indians and made of recycled PET bottles.

The armor and clothes soldiers wore before the industrial revolution was handcrafted by Master Craftsmen and Tailors.

>>549831

Now go prone with that helmet.

Before firearms became common, nobody cared about that shit because if you fall on the ground during an armed melee you are done.

However on a modern battlefield where everybody has a weapon that can pierce even your armored face mask from hundred of meter away you want to be able to press as close to the ground as possible and thats impossible with that thing on.

>>549841

>>549831

>>549816

Overall i think the helmet looks inferior to just using a regular kevlar helmet with a ballistic mask, there are several flaws with the design overall, the primary one being the mask is just too tight to the head. stopping a bullet means jack if the helmet deforms and smothers you. the various angles and rifts in the helmet also show an apparent lack of regard to the primary purpose of a kevlar helmet (HE and frag). if im being completely honest, i think the shift into offering battle-grade versions of the ronin is more about making the original product more marketable to airsofters than it is about providing protection to their armour customers.

If i were going for a bullet resistant setup id make a modernized version of the east german helmet, throw in one of those indonesian vega larp masks and be done with it.

>>549851

>>549841

It's clearly not meant to be a general infantry helmet but a police/spec ops thing to do room clearing.

>>549851

>throw in one of those indonesian vega larp masks and be done with it.

Those things rank at the top of horrible gear design.

You can't see shit in them, you can't even breathe and they don't actually work (they're level IIa top). IIRC it's the LAPD/DEA? that "popularized" them (IE only third worlders police forces seem to actually issue them) for quick assaults against (poorly armed and never trained) criminals and they wanted to stop getting heads full of buckshot.

I'd rather have a fucking soviet Maska than that shit, because at least you can breathe, somewhat see and it will stop some threats something properly.

>>549831

That mask looks retarded if they’re not fully armoured. Any skin showing makes him look like a LARPing fag. A full set of armour in the same style with no skin showing would look bad-ass. Though as to the practical aspect of a suit of armour like that…

>>549955

>helmets being used like a 40k sized pauldron yet still ready to wear

>that flag bearer with tactical flag holder

I like it

>>549955

>>549965

>>549996

That shit looks cool, but there’s a reason all of them are riot police and not combating ranged opponents (ie: people with guns). Armour is great for street clashes where you’re getting hit with melee weapons, and having bricks and shit thrown at you but it’s combat effectiveness goes down significantly when your dealing with lead going faster than sound. Which is why swat or counter-terror or the army doesn’t wear that stuff. Also for riot police an intimidation factor (wearing all black armour with no face shown) that wouldn’t work with a guy lining up his 1960s surplus’s AK at you. Thats why you wear dresses or go naked

Is full body armor possible in the near future?

What about augmented armor?

Something like Jin Roh.

>>549955

>those SA-80s

Kino

>>550083

Breaching/CQC stuff. They made a suit that is 6A and apparently is built for bouncing x54r AP point blank

>>550014

I can understand why battle standards fell out of fashion with the modern military, but at the same time it is kind of a shame.

>>550062

Hey, the A1s had to go somewhere.

>>550083

They are made for eating big, getting big, lifting bigger, and replacing knock knock jokes with boot to the door jokes.

>>550083

Pros:

>get shot in the head at point-blank range and fucking laugh it off

Cons:

>heavy enough that you're probably going to be able to feel the vertebrae in your neck scraping against each other

>>550282

>heavy enough that you're probably going to be able to feel the vertebrae in your neck scraping against each other

It was made for Russians. If they were ever sober enough to notice the sensation they wouldn't complain.

>>550083

They're not actually Russian.

They're something the Swiss came up with, the Soviets bought theirs from Switzerland and Austria, both Austrian, Swiss and East and West German police units also had them.

Then the soviet set up productions lines to make different versions and variants.

The cheap one being the "sphera" helmet (Sh-81 or something) which is just a bunch of titanium curved plates.

The expensive ones is a one piece stamped titanium shell + aramid layer with visor and thick polycarbon on it and integrated coms, like the Swiss version.

The mass issue/stop gap version is the same but made of steel (Maska) and therefore much more heavier with slit visor to reduce it's front weight.

Another version was made in the 90's (the one in the pic) and doesn't have the integrated coms.

The Maska are really heavy but the titanium ones are ok to wear for a prolonged time (it's not worse than WWII steel helmets).

The main advantage of those is that the visor can defeat fast threats like 7,62 Tokarev.

IIRC the visor is GOST level 2 and the helmet itself level 3.

Russian test are at 5m, 16mm max deformation, 0° angle, wet, no padding.

Level 1 is 5 shots of 9x18mm (and 7.62 Nagant), level 2 is 5 shots of 7.62 TT, level 3 is 3 shot of older AK rounds (both 7.62 and 5.45).

As anyone know DOJ IIIa doesn't stop 5 rounds of 7.62 TT, so yeah those works… but again it's not $500 a helmet.

>>550429

(Also 5 shot of PSM 5.45mm for level 2)

>>549762

>president trump?

>what were his drops?

>>550632

Just like the Africans do today

>>550650

So they've finally caught up to ~300BC?

>>550017

Body armour is great for firefights too, level 3 will stop rifle rounds. It's just a different type of armour for different threats.

>>550659

On the US history channel they have (or used to have) a show about 4 blacksmiths coming and they’re challenged to make some knives and two are eliminated. The last two go home and make a historical blade, they did some African ones and when the show explained he history of the weapon they had to make, all of the African “swords” or abominations were from the 18-19th century made from iron (not steel). So while they were being colonized by empires with firearms they were just starting iron smithing.

>>550665

>iron (not steel)

Did they decarburize the metal?

>>549762

>s. I think you should only be able to vote if either you own a house

>banks get to elect the president

Careful what you wish for, bubbo!

>>550665

>Begin researching traditional African weapons

>With the exception of the Assegai it's a wall to wall edgelord showroom.

>By the mid-late 1800's Sub-Saharan Africa had just caught up to roughly where Europe was circa 1200BC

>Still had trouble building weapons as tools rather than status symbols

>>549762

>I think you should only be able to vote if either you own a house, or have served in the military.

>Democrats push for programs to make the military an ineffectual hugbox that's pisseasy to get into and subsidize massive numbers of mortgage loans to get more voters for themselves

There is no way this could backfire.

>>550687

>1st blade

Was this part of a joke that got out of hand? Presumably involving the phrase 'this is my knife-dick!'.

>2nd pic

Not a terrible blade design, but where's the fucking hilt?

>3rd pic

I'm hoping that was designed for throwing rather than edgelordery, but that doesn't help it much

>4th pic

Yeah, that's an accessory, not a weapon.

Oh yeah, and they're all Iron, meaning they can't hold an edge for shit.

>>550692

The third one is called a kpinga, it's sort of a throwing axe. I think the idea is that you chuck it at the enemy's feet while charging them, and the multiple blades cause it to bounce up unpredictably.

>>550687

>1st

sickle, but worthless

2nd

>nigger gladius

>2000 thousand years after Rome, they somehow make a worse weapon

3rd

>literally broken fence decoration with a grip

4th

>a machete with a fancy dildo as a grip

>>550698

>kpinga

>remove "g" and you get "mockery" in Polish.

>>550700

>kpina

>remove the "k" and you get "pussy" in Hungarian

>>550702

>pina

>remove the "p" and you get "ina" in English

>>549762

>My old man is firmly of the opinion that america started going down the tubes when they stopped electing soldiers.

Only twenty-six of our forty-five Presidents ever served.

The problem the modern US has stems from is the practice of affluent families (poorly) grooming their off-spring to become politicians through the aid of political groups (DNC, RNC, GOP, ect…) for the continuation or initiation of a political dynasty. Rather than business magnates, lawyers, ect… answering the call of public service out of concern for national welfare or national defense, these are families looking to stick Johnny Come Lately into a position of power to alter economics, geopolitics, social issues, ect… to further their personal and,or monetary gains (because most of these fuckheads they get into power sacred the shit out the rest of the family because of their abysmal inability to do anything properly or worthwhile). This is one of the reasons Trump was so popular (A billionaire business & real-estate mogul, who had no previous family or personal involvement in politics throwing his hat in the ring). The likes of Washington, Adams, ect.. down on to Lincoln were never career politicians, but career businessmen, lawyers, philanthropists, entrepreneurs, career military officers, ect… that answered a call to public service after a lifetime of other ventures.

Just look at the Kennedy's, they've been (poorly so) riding the coat tails of Joseph, John, and Bobby, trying to carry on a dynasty (every Kennedy after John and Bobby has been a fucking cuck of epic proportions). The same with the Bush Family, trying to ride the coat tails of Bush Sr. (everyone though G.W. was a fucking joke, well then they put Jeb into the ring). Once these people entrench themselves in some way, like Bush Sr. did with his time as CIA Director, they try to carry on that political growth, rather than with past politicians serving their time and vacating their post to return to their former lives. Notice how none of the Presidents in recent years have any real military experience, be it as a combat officer or staff officer, they serve a few years in a reserve unit (if they serve at all), then use that as a brownie point during the election cycle. A President doesn't have to serve, but the one's that had actual served during a time of war or over the course of their lifetime in a reserve competent after a stint on active duty.

In short, it's career politicians and their failures as people that have fucked the country.

>I think you should only be able to vote if either you own a house, or have served in the military.

This would work if the US was more homogeneous and more nationally right leaning, with a common external opposition that threatens the way of life of a nation; like the Soviets during the Cold War or ZANU & ZAPU during the Rhodesian Bush War, that kind of threat drives citizens together, unless of course they're a commie.

>>550698

>it's sort of a throwing axe

That's what it looked like, the spin it would get as you threw it should work with that distribution of blades to improve the odds of it doing some damage with the possible exception of javelins, throwing weapons need all the help they can get. So it is in essence a more expensive, bulkier, lower quality, edgier, and less effective shuriken. You've got to really WORK to build a weapon shittier than a shuriken, and somehow they managed it.

>>550703

>Not removing the 'a' to get 'pin'

>Not calling it the 'Mockery Pussy Pin'

>>550692

>Iron

Did they decarburize the cast iron (which is diametrically opposite to pure iron, carbonically speaking)?

>>550732

Not enough of a metallurgist to give you a definite answer there mate. My first instict is to ask what sort of process that would require and what sort of infrastructure, tech, and understanding those processes would depend upon.

>>550762

These days we inject oxygen into the molten cast iron, I don't know how or if it would have been possible back then.

>>550763

It sounds unlikely that these swords would have had oxygen pumped into the molten iron. It might just have been (vaguely) sharpened pig iron.

>>550763

>>550732

They used wrought iron, it can’t be tempered or hardened, it’s what we used before steel. I believe you take normal iron and put it in a blast furnace which I presume melts the iron but not the carbon.

>>550698

So basically all the Subsaharan africans did in the 18/19 century was making iron throwing sticks.

>>550974

Not surprising really.

>>550974

Oh, that's not fair. They were VAGUELY SWORD SHAPED iron throwing sticks.

>>550776

Would African firearms look like beins?

Would African space battleships look like beins?

>>552967

>implying

But yes.

>>550784

>>550951

>>550732

Africans never invented the blast furnace for steel making, instead using the more primitive bloomery process. The iron "bloom" has to be folded and homogenized over many heats, which causes the carbon picked up during smelting to be oxidized off, resulting in wrought iron. Wrought iron cant be hardened by quenching like steel does (not enough carbon to undergo a proper martensitic transformation).

Basically, "muh dik" swords are flaccid iron that cant hold an edge for shit or take a beating, but they would work against unarmored opponents as much as I hate to admit it.

>>553160

I would really like to see an african bneis firearm.

The barrel would be the dezdigel and sgroddum :DD, the cannon the shaft and the tip, the head.

A rifle would make a good representation too.

Would be fun.

>>553187

>they would work against unarmored opponents

Still sounds like something that would get chipped every time it hit bone. Also, what doesn't work against an unarmoured opponent?

>>553317

>would get chipped every time it hit bone

Not necessarily, with less hardness comes more ductility. I'd wager that their swords were bent more often than chipped. Softer metal is more easily sharpened than harder metal so any edge deformation can be fixed pretty easily with just a rock.

>>553431

>floppy metal dick

>>549747

>Who is soldier in our wars? Most known and gloried wars like WWI WWII? Well they were … slaves. This thing is not said loud for propaganda purposes but in the essence these soldiers were slaves. Sent into combat under threat of death sentence and never getting fruits of the win.

That's true. Unless you're a general who gets a well-paid cushy job at some Jewish war material company after your career, you're an idiot who fights and dies so some globalist banking Jews can get even richer.

>>553997

probably a dumb question, but how do you use the iron sights on that weapon if there is a mag on top?

>>554020

The iron sights will be set off to the side of the magazine.

>>554020

>>554022

The magazine is actually offset on the Madsen instead of the sights.

>>550687

MUH DIK

they never changed lol

>>556202

a comment from a thread i was in ages ago that seemed about right.

See, people commonly think that Japan just had shit iron deposits, because all they had was iron sand. However, that's pretty much always been one of the main sources of steel in history, cause bog iron is hard to get in large quantities and mines require an assload of manpower and money to operate, so pretty much everyone was using the same shit as the japanese.

The difference was in how they processed said sand. Cause the main issue is separating the iron from all the sand and dirt and shit, which is relatively simple - you just heat the material up until it becomes a liquid, at which point the impurities either float to the top or sink to the bottom, leaving a bunch of nice, pure metal in the middle. Well, it's simple, but it's hard as fuck to actually get something to that temperature using fucking rocks and charcoal, so it took people fucking forever to invent a forge hot enough to do it. It's so hard, in fact, that Japan never managed it, so many of the impurities remained in the metal and had to be burned away or homogenized with the folding and shit.

In other words, it wasn't a difference in materials, it was a difference in technology. Europe put all their time and effort into smelting, so they could make decent steel. Japan decided it'd be easier to just make shitty steel and invest in forging, so it can be turned into decent equipment. Because contrary to popular belief, katanas were not shit. Everyone keeps forgetting that you don't use a sword to whack a dude in metal armor, you carry that shit around for self defense and dick measuring. The katana may not have been excellent, but it was pretty OK and pretty OK is all they needed, you don't need fucking Excalibur to chop up some random peasant who comes at you with a knife.

>>556219

>The difference was in how they processed said sand. Cause the main issue is separating the iron from all the sand and dirt and shit, which is relatively simple - you just heat the material up until it becomes a liquid, at which point the impurities either float to the top or sink to the bottom, leaving a bunch of nice, pure metal in the middle

No you goof. It's called sifting, iron sand is magnetite. just like you can pan for gold you can pan for iron.

> so it took people fucking forever to invent a forge hot enough to do it. It's so hard, in fact, that Japan never managed it

The japanese invented a kind of blast furnace called a tatara

> so many of the impurities remained in the metal and had to be burned away or homogenized with the folding and shit.

Just like wrought iron, which was the metal of choice for just about everything in the western world until the late 1900's when mild steel was invented.

> it was a difference in technology.

Not really. There were equivalents to western technology in japan. The difference is mostly in technique. Katanas are typically make of a composite of different steels forge welded together, the hardest steel on the edge, a slightly softer steel on the sides, and a soft inner core. Really the only place in europe that did something similar was in spain where some regions made swords by twisting together iron bars and forge welding the hard cutting edges in.

> Europe put all their time and effort into smelting, so they could make decent steel

Europe had access to easier deposits on iron and a vast trade network. The big difference is that the japanese are autistic about swords and decided to turn them into functional art instead of the european method of pumping out swords as mostly utilitarian weapons.

>>557871

Probably fashion.

>>557871

To combat corrosion primarily. Japan is an island nation. Considering higher grade armor employed printed leather and designer silk, colored lacquer isn't anything special. Also, not all ashigaru wore sashimono, so it acted as a means of identifying troops at times.

>>557884

but europeans just greased it or painted it. Lacquering seems like so much effort

>>557881

possibly, but poor people needed armour too and woulc probably want as much of it as cheaply as possible yet they still lacquered it

>>557888

Remember that the Samurai started battles with a formal poetry reading and exchange of ritual insults that the generals had spent the previous night writing in perfect calligraphy. They would go to ridiculous lengths to try to make themselves look cooler. As for poorer soldiers the Ashigaru wore a cut down, smaller, and simplified version of that; if the infrastructure and industry was there to produce large amounts of lacquered leather lamellar then the price would drop enough to make it a bit more widespread than would seem sensible.

>>557888

Lacquering tends to last a lot longer than paint and grease, its also better wearing.

>>552967

African starships looked like pyramids, actually.

>>557888

Poor people couldn't afford armor. Back in the day you need to be pretty fucking rich to buy shit like that.

>>558041

It depends on where and when, most poor soldiers could afford or were given basic levels of armour.

Regarding Japan, Ashigaru mostly were issued with armour.

>>549398

You can laugh but when 100kg gopnik with steel pipe and skull balaclava charges you will shit your underwear.

Bigger con:

>good luck using a rifle with the visor down.

>>558316

This even applies for cultures that people don't normally associate with shields, like the Japanese. Before iron tatami armor was common, Japanese peasant levies and bushi (predecessors of samurai) had shields called tate made out of wood, iron plates, or leather rawhide. Once armor became more available and metalworking improved, these survived in the form of shoulder-mounted miniaturized versions which served as pauldrons and protection against arrows for samurai, and as scaled up pavises carried by manservants or dedicated ashigaru.

>>556899

Fuck me, they look and act like reavers.

Commie were right when they built electic fence on german border.

>>549392

>those helmets weren't bought on-mass

It was a doggy dog world back then. Pre-Madonnas couldn't afford them.

>>558948

>confusing Madonna for Maradona

>confusing a singer who had a good voice for some fat lefty fuck who keeps riding on his glory days before doing an impossible amount of drugs

This being said:

>>558937

>pre-madonna

"it's a doggie-dog world" - Snoop Dibble-double-gee

>>558948

>>558952

i'm going to assume he did these mistakes on purpose to poke fun at the other guy saying "on mass" instead of "en masse"

>>558948

You either call both of them out, or you don't call either of the mistakes out and go with the joke.

>>549762

So service guarantees citizenship?