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There's no discharge in the war!

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c8eb52 No.542365

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/robert-farago/carhartt-jacket-stops-nypd-speer-gold-dot-p-9mm-hollow-points/

>Muh capacity

>Muh price

9mm is an obsolete round, get over it. You need to carry a .40, .357 Sig, or 10mm, not even joking. This is not a meme.

002ac6 No.542369

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

this is why ballistic tips are the new shit, hollowpoints in general are vulnerable to heavy clothing. i'd agree that carrying "the gold standard of bare minimums" 9mm in the age of policing around cars is pretty stupid.


0c6100 No.542386

>40 small and weak

Just carry 10mm.


64eb99 No.542394

>Not aiming at the head


35af30 No.542399

>>542386

this, though in bugout bag goes the 45 acp only because it's more common than the 10mm but if the 10mm was just as common I'd be running the 10mm in the bugout


38d0a4 No.542567

>>542365

< hollow points

< vs a jacket

muh nigga


965bff No.542582

>>542365

First bullet to hit knocks the guy off his feet, the NYPD does what it do best: spray and pray, the 4 bullets in hit the pavement first and then ricochet into the puncture resistant jacket which catches them (as it it's job).

Hit ratio 11%, much closer to the NYPD average (18%) compared to 55%.


ea4765 No.542600

>thetruthaboutguns.com


630aa3 No.542604

>not running underwood xtreme penetrator


a4f9fb No.542615

>>542603

>the nypd has shot a shit hit ratio because theyre forced to carry glocks with a 12 pound trigger pull

They neither trust nor care enough for their officers to do enough training to become even mildly competent with their issue guns, trigger or no. This is exacerbated by the fact their recruitment pool is NYC and surrounding areas, which means there is literally zero vestige of gun culture left, so the academy is the very first time most of the recruits get to see a gun in person.

The NYPD also, like other major metropolitan PD's lives and breaths qualified immunity. Even if an officer in a questionable shooting does manage to fuck up hard enough that neither the union nor the NYPD can keep it from going to a civil suit, said officer will never miss a penny from his check or retirement because of it. At most they'll get administrative leave and be sent to a slightly shittier precinct for a few months.

>i cant make sense of the rest of your post to have anything to say about it.

1: NYPD misses

2: Bullet hits pavement

3: Ballistics doesn't just end, bullet skips and goes into target (and everything around the target) at reduced velocity.

4: The real hit ratio is therefore closer to the stated average, and not whatever reporter blagstein calculated.

If you need it broken down further I suggest sticking to an etch-a-sketch.


9f5d20 No.542662

>>542633

wow, didn't know that

We need to have a sticky of which websites and companies to boycott.


dde72d No.542676

>>542365

honestly if you cant effectively defend yourself with a .22lr derringer then you shouldnt be allowed to carry a gun at all


0c6100 No.542808

>>542676

You are on to something.

If capacity and price are all that matter why not use .22lr? There are handguns that pack 30 of them in a magazine, and theyre far cheaper than 9mm.


eb106c No.543427

i carry 9x18 makarov and sometimes 7.62 tokarev. do i need to upgrade my carry to an obrez? or are these still fine for self defense and EDC.


7f930f No.543432

If we can be honest for just a moment, the .223 is the 9mm (or birdshot) of the rifle world. Sure, you can probably kill a rabbit with it, but it's also an obsolete round that's only sold on its capacity and price. I know most of you are wise to this fact, but for the rest of you guys, you need to start getting serious and ditch the (((NATO))) knock-off already.


eb106c No.543433

>>543432

i always load 5.56 instead of 223, i mostly just use 223 for practice like loading 38 into a 357. 223 fmj or even some jhp are not bad for self defense, but i wouldnt trust it at a long distance if my life depended on it, but self defense engagements dont happen at long range.


1fe7e2 No.543438

>>543433

>but self defense engagements dont happen at long range.

That's as retarded as the Hornady guy saying if you have to shoot through a barrier it can't be justified self defense Thankfully he was sacked for it.

If you don't trust the cartridge for the intended purpose at 100 yards, don't trust it at all.


eb106c No.543442

>>543438

i wouldnt trust a 12ga shotgun loaded with any shot type at 100 yards for self defense. but if someone broke into my home, i'd be perfectly comfortable defending it with a 12ga shotgun loaded with any shot.

how is the fact that self defense doesnt typically occur at long range not worth noting? i suppose you EDC a rifle for self defense since its much more reliable than any pistol especially at distance?


198014 No.548854

>>543432

.223 TAP rapes face


2e10f9 No.548867

>>543432

I've knocked deer down with both.


5233fa No.548907

>>542662

>We need to have a sticky of which websites and companies to boycott.

THIS


5233fa No.548908

>>543442

>i wouldnt trust a 12ga shotgun loaded with any shot type at 100 yards for self defense. but if someone broke into my home, i'd be perfectly comfortable defending it with a 12ga shotgun loaded with any shot.

how comfortable do you feel that you'll be beyond deaf for the rest of your life after killing some low life nobody thug? seriously man im always considering this. i've shot guns without hearing protection before. tinnitus is gay.


dc34b9 No.548919

>>548908

>lose your hearing

>lose your life

Hmmmm, let me think that one over.


fdfe5e No.548928

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>>548908

>shooting a shotgun indoors

>deaf

Please, tell me more about your tactical expertise. I want to hear your war stories where you nearly bleed out from a paper cut or consider amputating your leg after skinning your knee.


a364b2 No.548936

>>542808

If giggle switches weren't banned a .22lr home defense PDW wouldn't be that bad an idea tbh

>>542662

>>548907

Freedom Group (Bushmaster/Remington/DPMS/Marlin)

Colt

TTAG

Heckle my Koch


db88dd No.548942

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>>542365

>This is not a meme.

>Clearly is a meme.


5233fa No.548948

>>548928

>>548919

>kill some low life nigger

>quality of life forever low because of muh shotgun muthafucka

please use a braked .308 for home defense.


dc34b9 No.548972

>>548948

Joke's on you, my shotgun has a silencer.


4884f3 No.548974

>>548908

Tinnitus sucks but the hearing damage from a one time exposure to gunfire isn't going to be life altering. Every soldier that served prior to the early 90's would have been deaf by tue end of basic if that was the case. I know that being indoors vs. outdoors makes a large difference but we're also talking about a one time occurence of 1-5 shots versus hundreds.over a span of weeks.


fdfe5e No.549013

>>548948

>nigger who's never fired a gun indoors to stop someone is trying to lecture people on a basket-weaving forum based in the philippines

yeah no fuck off


dcdec2 No.549020

>>548936

>Freedom Group (Bushmaster/Remington/DPMS/Marlin)

>Colt

>TTAG

>Heckle my Koch

Don't forget to forget RRA, of "you can only sell a few guns a year in OUR state" fame


fa3f51 No.549047

>>548936

>>549020

Just RRA? Where is Springfield?

Also

>TTAG

I thought it was TFB or was it TFBTV that was fags but the website is okay.


59a879 No.549055

>>542365

>You need to carry a .40, .357 Sig, or 10mm, not even joking.

Bitch, please. Everyone knows that anything below .50 BMG is basically the same as BB gun. Every cop should be carrying a Thunder .50 BMG as their only duty weapon. Even if they miss the shockwave will tear an arm off.

But seriously, what do you expect from a handgun cartridge? They all have virtually identical performance in a target, and they all suck compared to any rifle or shotgun ammunition.


f7c058 No.549056

>>549047

> thought it was TFB or was it TFBTV that was fags but the website is okay.

TFBTV are fags. TFB the website aren't crypto-lefties, and has good content from time to time. Unfortunately the good analytical stuff is buried in between mountains of content that's low-quality all on its own without leftist content.


cc7093 No.549188

> (((Robert Farago)))


ed6f24 No.549189

>>542394

>thinking this is a game


b825d5 No.549220

>>548854

This x10. I'd rather have a .223 with a good projectile (SP, Vmax) than a 5.56 FMJ.


e7d006 No.549266

>>549047

>>549056

>TFB

I still remember when Alex C advocated against NFA repeal efforts, because he not-so-subtly implied that it would hurt the value of his precious "investment" transferable MGs.

The only reliably good content on TFB is whenever Hrachya or Y-Man post articles.


5233fa No.549282

>>549013

>>nigger who's never fired a gun indoors

actually have nigger. it's not that bad, but why blow your ears out? and you do realize there are MANY jobs that require acceptable hearing before hiring?


9f5d20 No.549326

>>549055

>hue hue hue hue hue

You've clearly never shot any of those rounds.


ff12be No.549447

>>549056

Hey don't talk shit about my boy Miles he might talk like he has the 'tism but he does some pretty interesting topics


816c39 No.549450

>not 7.62x25

keep sucking that dick OP


570233 No.549454

>>548908

There's a big db difference between high brass foster slugs and low brass federal flitecontrol.




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