/k/ - Weapons

Most of them look like fucking bb guns

Only if you're an underage school shooter on a budget.

>>539111

If you're a female under the age of 15.

there is literally nothing wrong with 9mm.

Pistol carbines are the shemale transsexuals of the firearm world.

If youre going to fuck a shemale transsexual in the real world, it might as well be one with a large cock. Ergo 10mm auto is the only acceptible carbine.

They're fine in that they're an oversized .22 rifle. You'll never use one past plinking and the weight savings per round isn't all that great when you consider how horribly limited the platform is.

>>539111

Only if they are 9x39mm

>>539138

.454 Casull baby SVD to get hentai levels of cock size

well worth of a given item is a matter perceived by individual. if you want get one, you dont need approval of /k/ hivemind

tbh desu nee fam.

also we already have this thread

>>539111

Depends on your situation and budget. If the only real shooting options you have are indoor ranges, they're a long arm that pretty much any indoor range will allow you to train with, unlike rifles and shotguns. You can shoot fairly cheaply with 115 grain ammo and it's a serious defense weapon with +P+ 147 grain ammo you need to make sure it functions reliably with whatever your defense ammo is. Personally there are many things I'd rather spend my money on first, and they'd have to be pretty cheap for me to be interested, I'd consider the Hi-Point one except it only takes single stack mags.

>>539111

This is awesome. I want a 9mm carbine if not a sub gun just for fun.

Waiting till I hear of someone converting them to 10mm for a nominal fee. Or if Ruger decides they can get into the straight wall only states with a 10mm version. Be a handy brush gun.

>>540344

Keep in mind that stock kits will be on the market for this thing sooner than later. May be able to get your tacticool on with just a kit.

>>540368

You know you can get all the parts from Joe-Bob to make your own 10mm AR, right? Probably for about the same cost. Get a torkmag adapter and you can use any lower.

>>540371

I really like the take down on the 10/22 as it is. May look at a AR pistol in 10mm.

In a world where we are limited to semi-auto firearms, a true carbine (i.e. a design intended to handle like a traditional stalking rifle) chambered in a pistol cartridge has its uses and makes infinitely more sense than any of the neutered (sporterized or just semi-auto converted) SMGs on the market. The problem is that there aren't any designs on the market which realize the full potential of whatever pistol caliber cartridge they're designed for, with the the exception of the 10/22.

A lightweight 9mm carbine would make for a great, inexpensive gun for large varmint hunting and cheap plinking. There are some options out there but most fall short in come category (weight, ergonomics, price). The real "killer app" would be a carbine chambered in 10mm as many have stated as that cartridge's ability to deliver 1,000+ J of energy opens the door for a wide variety of uses. Such a carbine would be a modern equivalent to the old Winchester lever actions chambered in .44-40 in terms of usefulness and power. I'd love to have a carbine that handles like a 10/22 but with enough power to take game as large as the small deer we have here in the Southeast. There's a real niche for such a firearm but no one has even attempted to fill it.

>>540423

There are people that use Glock 20's with 6 inch barrels to hunt black bears. A 16 inch barrel with 15 rounds of hot 10mm could be an excellent companion in bear country.

>>539111

if you buy a pistol carbine, you are a moron and deserve to be shot.

>>540509

>bear hunting with a 10mm

I like the 10mm, but if you do this, you deserve to get mauled to death.

Grizzlies can take a 338 win mag directly in the chest multiple times and still run. What makes you think a 10mm will do something? The meme?

>>540520

Shot placement and ammunition specifications > caliber and target

Black bear are also fucking tiny as far as bears go and people have downed them with .30-30 Winchester leverguns for decades.

>>540518

It's like you don't want to have fun with 100 round packs of 9mm for 16 burger coupons at walmart. Compared to the 36 dollar 223 packs or the 22lr which still gets bought out like 2012 is still the current year

>>540527

>shot placement

good luck getting that perfect headshot on the 35 mpj charging grizzly bear with a fucking polymer pistol lmao idiot. What was the point of bringing the 10mm then? Just use the pissant 9mm.

Of course, you're wrong. Even if you got the right chest "placement" on a grizzly, the 10mm would not be able tp penetrate deep enough.

"shot placement" is the last stand non-argument of the gun pussy.

>>540535

Should have re specified "black bears". Goddamn you went full tism.

>>540536

>m-m-muh tism

>m-m-muh black bear

use the .44 magnum then. The 10mm was designed to drop humans, not 300lb predators.

I hate these stupid fucking idiots that never hunted in their lives and think their little piece of shit in the closet can do whatever they want because it is their little piece of shit. No, fuck you up the ass.

>>540537

My dad carried a .357 magnum single action for a lot of years in the woods where we hunt. Where we hunt its the mountain lions or mexicans you need to worry about. Going into bear country is different, but if those bears are those small black ones, a .357 mag or higher will do the job. And if I remember correctly, proper loaded 10mm is getting close to 41 mag power.

>>540535

>>540537

>muh grizzly

>muh 44 wheelgun stoppin powah

get fucked, you coked up sperg

The fact that every time pistol caliber carbines are brought up the thread turns into a muh 10mm wankoff proves the fact that only nogunz think PCCs are cool.

Now i want to see a .500 S&W carbine.

>>540963

I want a .500 S&W lever action

>>540996

I want one that isn't $2500

I would say generally no, but conditionally.

Some reasons they might be worth it:

>Often cheaper than a similarly sized rifle

>Generally decently compact

>Most handgun rounds suppress better than the majority of intermediate rifle rounds

The thing is though, I think it's bad enough that intermediate rounds in semi auto are so popular. Intermediates were intended to be an SMG on steroids that could, in a pinch, engage in mid to long range semi auto accurate fire when needed, and for whatever reason the whole world has flipped that on its head (And we're just now starting to realize that this is a mistake). So you're already, in my opinion, making at least a minor mistake with intermediate semi auto rifles anyway. You're making an even bigger one with a pistol caliber carbine. Pistol rounds are a compromise so that you can carry a light, compact/small, handheld package. If you don't intend to do that, you don't have a reason for settling on those rounds. Unless it's an SMG, then by all means, rock and roll.

>>541550

Just want to say you're thinking too much fighting rifle. Not that you don't make solid points, you did. Its just that some people have more in mind with certain guns than just fighting. PCCs are plinkers and maybe an HD weapon if your situation dictates.

>>541005

I want you to get a job, hippie.

>get glawk

>get AR stock adapter

>put pistol buffer on

>put arm brace on pistol buffer

Only for extra stability, Mr.ATF

>>541753

>century

I'm curious as to how they'll fuck it up. I've never seen a 9x19 carbine explode before.

>>541568

If I want to plink shit I'll use a .22lr kid's toy.

>>541758

Century import it, they don't make it

>>541687

thats a real thing, but only for gen 1 and gen 3 glocks, at the moment. its also legal to shoulder pistol braces now, because hadning over legal determinations to the ATF is a good idea

>>540544

they would actually be cool if it wasnt for the goddamn nfa

I don't know, but since I have a Ruger Sr9 I'm really enticed by their re-release of the PC9. Would make a good trunk/active shooter bag gun.

>>539111

Checked.

Where has this been?! I didn't know about it at all! I have been tempted by the 10-22TD, but it's rimfire, and, as such, prone to issues, because the ammo is crap.

>>539119

What takedowns would you suggest are for those on a budget? Note how swift this one goes into action (for example, this could fit into a motorcyclist's backpack).

>>541579

< spend 2500 on anything that's not nfa or sub moa

lelz

>>542105

>ever debasing yourself enough to get any NFA, letting the batfe cucks fuck you for the rest of your life

Stick to expensive stuff you dont have to ask permission to move out of state.

>>542106

< obeying laws

>>542111

< illegal

< being a brain slave

>>542116

It's not really a pistol carbine. It's a TAKEDOWN pistol carbine. So you have a long barrel, light weight.

>>539138

What if I just want a bj from the tranny while s/he jerks off?

Would that be a Hi-Point in .45? Please advise.

>>540540

your dad was dumb then. 357 mag was made for exploding human targets, not bears. it won't penetrate enough to kill the bear.

For big ass animals you need a big heavy bullet that will plow deep inside the animal. .357 magnum is made to explode on impact.

>>540542

>lol 44 magnum wasn't made for hunting hue hue hue hue hue

kike shill

Hi-point 9mm or 10mm

>>542182

Yeah, I'm gonna need to see a source on that one.

A 180gr. hard-cast lead bullet traveling at 1400 fps from a revolver (or 1800+ from a rifle) can absolutely humanely kill a black bear. I don't just mean in the "ive seen guys kill elephants with a .22 dumbass its all about shot placement" sense either.

There was plenty of .357 ammo designed for anti-personnel use by police that was lightweight and expanded rapidly to avoid overpenetration, such as the classic 110 gr. SJHP. Once you start using a 140+ gr. projectile from a 4"+ revolver, though, even hollowpoints will blow right through a human target.

>>542290

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/

This is a thorough comparison of self-defense ammo from 2" and 4" barreled revolvers. Note the 158 gr. Hornady XTP, which from a 2" barrel fully expanded and penetrated to an average of 21.6". I've seen hunting-specific ammo penetrate 3 full gel blocks (36") AND a sheet of 3/4" plywood from an 8" revolver and keep going.