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bfc45d No.536769
What civilian vehicles are good for opperatoring? That includes anything that can be turn into a military vehicle.
bfc45d No.536774
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Like how are the taliban getting new ford trucks?
bfc45d No.536775
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Taliban driving fords is a big mystery.
8451d4 No.536784
>>536773
>Sandniggers adopt worst truck brand
Good.
40a4ca No.536787
>>536773
>Taliban driving fords is a big mystery.
>>536774
>>536775
I don’t see the mystery. It’s Quite obviously the Taliban ether stealing the ford trucks or buying them off of corrupt Afghan government officials.
4f69c4 No.536793
>>536773
>direct linking jalopnik
>mobile
68aba3 No.536796
>>536773
>Really makes you think
It is really simple though
>Most Hilux were old models
>They get used and abused to the point they cannot be repaired anymore
>They need to get vehicles in good conditions
>New Hilux are dogshit compared to the old ones (at least as a technical vehicle) and probably not even available
>Local government gets Ford
>They take shit from local governments all the time (either by force or with money)
>???
>They now have ford pickups
>>536769
I'd pick a 4x4 with a diesel engine and decent fuel efficiency, a solid axle, manual transmission and as light as possible.
If bringing in the family isn't a concern, something like a Samurai with an engine swap (people have shoved in Jetta/Golf 1.9 TDI in there) is a very ideal package. You can even apply some lightweight armor in critical areas and still be able to get through rough terrain without much of an issue.
You would probably need to change the transmission axle and, of course, the gearbox.
40a4ca No.536797
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>>536796
>>536796
>>Most Hilux were old models
>>They get used and abused to the point they cannot be repaired anymore
Worthless
11859d No.536798
>>536775
Fords used to be the best vehicles in the world before they moved production to Mexico. Now their quality control is so bad I need to do major repairs less than 5k miles in.
My company abandoned them, they used to make up all of our fleet. Now we use Subarus.
8451d4 No.536800
I'm still and will always be partial to jeeps. Plenty of room in the back and the only thing you can't get out of them is the smell of chain smokers.
8451d4 No.536801
>>536798
And this. I like Chevrolet, but I won't pretend their trucks are perfect, they're just the easiest to work on and.modify as desired.
40a4ca No.536804
>>536801
>>536798
Ram trucks are still underrated.
ca3711 No.536805
>>536798
Honestly Ford and GM are both stuck in the past, they don't want to pay for re-tooling so are using the same block and head designs they have been using for since the '60s or '70s.
Japan took the lead in car design because their industry took off in the '80s and '90s leading to much more modern designs.
Now Europe is taking the lead back due to regulations forcing redesigns and they are producing the first drive-trains designed with finite element analysis.
Sadly the US car industry did this to themselves by pushing for import taxes reducing competition and leading to them falling behind because they had no motivation to improve.
68aba3 No.536807
>>536797
Lots of nostalgia right there.
>>536798
Most medium size pick-ups are shit, they are meant to be cheap to produce and get replaced quickly. You would be amazed by how much Hilux production got improved in terms of manufacturing efficiency, all the companies are emulating Toyota scheme because it leaves huge profit margins.
Out of the modern ones -on that size and price segment- the Nissan Frontier seems to be the best.
>>536804
RAM is great (specially the Cummins engine version), but shit is heavy as fuck. Better for towing stuff than bugging out inna forest.
11859d No.536809
>>536807
We were using SUV and sedans, so I'll have to take your word on the truck. I just know ford wasn't very reliable, after numerous repairs our insurance went up, and we had to swap.
68aba3 No.536812
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>>536809
Some companies have issues with specific models on certain factories.
The Ford Ranger made here works well and the built quality is alright. The Hilux made here has shit built quality when compared to Malayan Hilux (I actually work at Toyota Argentina, all first hand experience). The Tacoma made in Mexico has (had?) rust issues. And so on.
Companies are shit and, as long as the issue doesn't translate to less sales, they won't fix a thing. That's why the kangaroo fucker right here >>536805 is right. We also live in a walled garden vehicle market and it sucks.
Anyway, video related shows a corner stone for an orgasm-inducing build. One day I'll shove one of those in something.
40a4ca No.536818
>>536807
>but shit is heavy as fuck. Better for towing stuff than
That’s the point. Rams the go to truck for small towing companies for a reason.
40a4ca No.536843
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>>536798
>Now we use Subarus.
I keep forgetting that company exist. They like the Gobots to KIA.
40a4ca No.536864
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>>536852
Do EU license plates allow customizations?
cd49f6 No.536865
Aren't old Mercedes GLKs popular with European militaries and foreign dignitaries?
40a4ca No.536867
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>>536807
>>536798
Will the Taliban using American trucks make repair parts and resupplies easier or harder? Video related. You use ford trucks in the background.
3ae0cc No.536883
>>536796
>4x4
>diesel engine
Absolutely necessary
Now what kind of vehicle you need depends of the task. A Samurai would be good to patrol, but in case you need to move men and heavy machine guns, a flat bed pick up is the obvious choice.
Now, recently I've noticed that propane gas companies here use trucks like pic related. I've been wondering about their potential to use such chink tier vehicles as improvised armored vehicles.
716237 No.536890
>>536864
in Poland you pay 250~$ to have any 5 letters on your license plate.
ce56ea No.536912
Depends on how you define civilian :^)
2f4486 No.536913
Regulations killed the auto industry. Read euroncap rules or fmvss when you have time.
That's why cars are so heavy and have no windows and too many computers and look like soap bars.
Best bugout vehicle in the us for cheap is a jeep xj Cherokee.
They regularly go over a million miles, aren't terribly rust prone, have real four wheel drive with a transfer case and had diesel and stick shift options.
Plus the amc inline 6 is an indestructible engine produced from 1963 to 2005.
eee73e No.536917
>>536852
Varg, c'est-vous?
7b6ac6 No.536935
Pic related is something that I recently found out about and have never seen discussed here. It's a magneto distributor.
Way way back in the earliest days of hot rodding, people would use these rather than the more common points ignition due to the hotter spark it provides, but the main draw for people of our disposition is it literally needs no external power to make a spark. As long as you can get the engine spinning somehow, that's all you need to do. To shut it off, you just ground the tab on the side.
New ones can still be had for all the common American "small block" V8s, as well as a few more obscure ones, albeit for about 1200 dollarydoos.
a1cec2 No.536936
>>536935
Actually yeah it should be mentioned that even if a car is carbed and hyped as no electronic/emp proof, you also need a points ignition system because electronic ignition is not shtf proof.
Points ignition has no electronics and can have gaps set with a matchbook on the side of the road
187917 No.536941
Mercedes G class.
>>536864
Depends a lot on the country.
You can pay like 10€ to decide what the letter/number combo behind your local code will be over here.
For example: if you are from Berlin, your plates will always start with B, but if you pay the fee you can have plates that read :"B AB 12", "B A 123" or "B ABC 1".
The letter combinations HH, HJ, SA, SS and KZ are VERBOTEN.
361944 No.536944
>>536935
Could you combine that with a free-piston engine to make an engine that can run on any burnable liquid or gas? Although cranking up that kind of engine might be more challenging.
a1cec2 No.536946
>>536944
Yes but usually people prefer diesel for such applications because it requires no sparkplug.
7b6ac6 No.536948
>>536936
A magneto does use points for spark timing, so I guess it could technically be considered points ignition with a self contained charging system.
>>536944
Yes, but if it's an FPE used as a linear generator, the magneto would be superfluous since the engine generates its own electricity.
a1cec2 No.536951
>>536948
Yes I agree. I did a shitty job explaining. What I meant is that a hypothetical shtf system shouldn't be one that depends on electronics. The magneto system is even more shtf proof because as long as you park on a hill, you aren't batterycucked.
1553d5 No.536952
>>536769
Lada Niva
they are cheap and are basically Civilian UAZ´s
even tho they are old they are easy to maintain
and its age is actually a advantage when it comes to replacement pieces
cafb65 No.536953
>>536952
>lada
You can just buy actual UAZs you know.
1553d5 No.536954
>>536953
he asked for a civilian vehicle
cafb65 No.536963
>>536954
Yeah you can just buy UAZs as a civilian.
I want a 469.
d3defc No.536981
Caterpillar D8, depending on the age it can cost as low as £20-30k, it's tracked and designed to carry weight, so converting one to a armoured vehicle should not be a hard task
8451d4 No.536983
>>536981
Didn't a police department spend thousands of dollars outfitting a forklift with armour?
d3defc No.536987
>>536983
I can't find anything about it, but the yank police forces use some weird type of tracked thing that has a giant shield that can be moved around.
98f3c5 No.536995
>>536981
In 2004, Marvin Heemeyer, a welder and automotive repair shop owner went on a rampage in an up-armored bulldozer, which the news affectionately titled the "killdozer." Despite the best attempts of police (including barricades, small arms fire and explosives), the rampage only ended when his bulldozer got stuck in the basement of a department store. Rather than surrender to the police, Heemeyer committed suicide with his handgun.
8ab5a2 No.537016
>>536805
Bullshit, jap cars hit it off because their inferior plastic design was cheaper on all levels and that pushed everyone to increasingly build planned-obsolescence plastic garbage.
TAKING MEASURES AGAINST FOREIGN PRODUCTS TO PUSH DOMESTIC PRODUCTS IS NOT A BAD THING
ca3711 No.537018
>>537016
>jap cars hit it off because their inferior plastic design
Pic related, everyone was using plastic.
As for protectionism I'm all for it but within reason, if exports are slowing it might be worth putting a little pressure on manufactures to keep up with the global competition.
cb60c9 No.537028
>>536995
Here's wemb of Marvin killdozer in action.
11859d No.537035
>>537016
>implying
A Ford escort last me 120000 miles, from 1998 to 2004. A '99 Honda Civic I bought used had 466000 miles on the counter and still didn't quit, I had to sell it because I just wanted a change.
It's not even a competition.
I don't know why it's the case. I thoguht mostly it's due to Mexican factories, but maybe Ford really has gone stagnant in the design process
>TAKING MEASURES AGAINST FOREIGN PRODUCTS TO PUSH DOMESTIC PRODUCTS IS NOT A BAD THING
This is likely what killed Ford, and honestly it's also killing the domestic firearms industry. All we seem to make now is ARs and $500 handguns.
d3defc No.537036
>>537028
>>536995
I know what I'm doing in a civil war
488f46 No.537039
>>537028
>Two Assault Rifles
8c99cf No.537043
>>536941
THIS²
What is this thread? The choice should obviously be a Puch G.
b5e18d No.537049
>>536998
It's like I just stepped into leftypol
>An armored bulldozer = Oppression
They must be pretty fucking mad about those thousands of AMLs then huh.
c9cd9d No.537057
187917 No.537061
>>537028
>ultrashit amerifat editing
>10mb, 4 minutes thirty seconds in 360x240
Bullshit.
ad65d4 No.537096
>>536935
>As long as you can get the engine spinning somehow
So your options are:
>starter motor (at which point your magneto is redundant)
>pull or roll start
>hydraulic or pneumatic start
>crank start
8ab5a2 No.537103
>>537035
>didn't maintain the fixed or repaired daily
>maintained a shonda
>comparing an SUV to a car
>being dumb
>>537061
>>>/intl/
11859d No.537111
488f46 No.537123
>>537057
Why not killdozers?
6db161 No.537127
Killdozers would be only effective against an average burger police force or against armed civilians or criminals.
Also it'll rather be used to spearhead offensives, breaking thru the defensive lines/barricades. In irregular warfare, when both sides are lighlty armed, the heaviest armored vehicle almost always leads the way, supported by infantry and technicals.
19b1ec No.537142
>>537127
>the local friendly spic makes an appearance
I just want you to know that I thoroughly enjoy your pics in these kinds of threads. Are those army troops or cartel men in the first pic?
Also, I don't believe killdozers are as effective as they were in the past thanks to the proliferation of AT rockets.
8451d4 No.537152
>>537013
>>536998
Kek, those are the ones. Thanks.
>>537049
>Disliking the government makes you /leftypol/
It's a joke, faggot. It's like you didn't even see the Ron Paul at the bottom.
b5e18d No.537154
>>537152
He's acquitting an armored bulldozer with a fascist "authoritarian dystopia" unironically nonetheless, moron. And
>Being ancap
I'd honestly prefer a leftyshit
365e36 No.537164
>>537142
>Are those army troops or cartel men in the first pic?
Nyet, those are from the Metros, a cell from the Gulf's cartel. They're engaged in a grueling war against other factions of the same cartel AND the Northeastern Cartel, a splinter organization of the Zetas. Yes, the Drug Wars are quite similar with all the fuckery in the Middle East.
>Also, I don't believe killdozers are as effective as they were in the past thanks to the proliferation of AT rockets.
Indeed, that's why ol' style massive Monstruos are a thing of the past. The fact that cartels started using RPGs gives you a clear picture of the situation. The new generation of Monstruos favor stealth and speed. They use double cab pick ups with improvised amor, usually just mild steel plates, Hardox plates from time to time. They're used to patrol the turf and to raid the enemy turf. On raids, the Monstruo ALWAYS leads, the other gunmen ride behind on normal, unarmored vehicles.
a7d099 No.537165
>>536963
you can also buy a humvee as a civilian, that doesn't necessarily make it a civilian vehicle.
unless you're referring to the dog dick garbage that is the "sporterized" models
5fad79 No.537170
>>536963
But you can't import them into the United States unless they're >25 years old. Otherwise I'd be driving a brand new 452.
8451d4 No.537204
>>537154
What do you call it when the police are obtaining weapons and armor from the military? Another normal day? That's one step away from military police actually the military has more regulations to keep soldiers from just killing people than the police do for fuck's sake. The joke is about how even receiving shit tons of equipment from the military, they still waste taxpayer dollars on an armored bobcat. Go be a butthurt fag somewhere else.
8ab5a2 No.537216
>>537111
NIGGER
FORD needs to stop naming all their shit so similarly, was thinking of the explorer. You still clearly took poor care of the ford while whoever previously owned the honda took extreme care of it, mystery flag.
b5e18d No.537238
>>537204
>What do you call it when the police are obtaining weapons and armor from the military? Another normal day?
First thing, it's a fucking armored bulldozer not military surplus, for fucks sake it only has a shield on it. More tame than riot equipment. Second, what do you think about those thousands of AMLs?
>actually the military has more regulations to keep soldiers from just killing people than the police do for fuck's sake.
You're making absolutely zero sense. You know what happens to cops who shoot someone and the court decides it's not justified? A second-degree murder charge. There's not intangible "regulations" about shooting people moron. Cops have the same "regulations" about killing someone as you have. Go be a retarded anarchist somewhere else.
17832c No.537257
>>537204
>What do you call it when the police are obtaining weapons and armor from the military? Another normal day?
Yeah.
Gratuitous Federal female agent pic, FP always has the top grade pussy
e8f17c No.539184
015f36 No.539187
>>539184
why? going off the board takes months, if there is something to discuss we will discuss it, bumping does nothing. even if thread dies we will just make another one eventually and its not like with death of this thread we lose some sort of secret knowladge.
if you want this thread to live then start discussion. doesnt matter how baity it is
e8f17c No.539189
>>539187
I haven't seen a vehicle thread in months and it's nice to mix things up a bit.
cf9ef8 No.539195
>>537028
>TWO ASSAULT RIFLES
9dbb21 No.539223
>>537035
Its a balance. Same balance Caesar, Hitler, Putin and every other successful statesmen has dealt with. Too much competition and local production may die out- and not for lack of quality or any other reason within the control of those producers- but for natural reasons like resource distribution, labor costs, foreign government support ect ect. This doesn't demand some sort of communist state run economics either, just decent investment on the part of the government either in terms of R&D or business, which is regularly updated.
The irony of the whole this is that line of thinking becomes invalid the moment companies like Ford begin producing overseas, which they have been doing for decades.
c0dec4 No.539234
>>536807
I worked for a firefighting contractor last summer and on a few occasions took over as a driver for one of the Cummins that they had. Here's what I would describe them as.
>Incredibly comfortable
>Lots of torque
>Spacious
>Very wide, so maneuvering through traffic for someone new to pickups (such as myself) feels incredibly sketchy
>Probably not the best innawoods vehicle if you don't like scratching your truck
pretty fun to drive overall.
c6cfb3 No.539379
>>536987
I think you're looking for this. It's actually Slovakian.
>>536998
>>537013
Inferior.
19b1ec No.539411
>>536804
>>536807
I've always though a RAM HD pickup with a Cummins would make an excellent halftrack base to mount shit like a Hawkeye howitzer.
540808 No.539538
>>536941
>>537043
Those mercedes meme-mobiles are too damn expensive (like 50 grand for a 2004 here..) nice try Hans, got two '89 Hiluxes 'round back & I'll spend my 50 grand on pic related.