/k/ - Weapons

>>536374

No, humans will just use more destructive firearms

>>536374

So, power armour? Assuming that at some point we manage to make an infantryman as resilient as a tank … we already have a number of weapons that are pretty good at putting holes in tanks, with the amount of work needed to produce power armour at a vaguely realistic price I would imagine that our anti-armour weapons would have been significantly improved as well.

I'd like to think this might lead to a rebirth or AT rifles as a mainstream weapon (if only because even a sci-fi superbullet has got to be cheaper than a guided missile) but I might just be showing my colours as a nostalgiafag there.

>>536379

Well, a PLC-operated Mitsubishi 6-axis robot arm runs between $5,000-$20,000 on average, so it can be assumed a full set of power armor would run for about $50,000 if it uses rollerblades or tank tracks to get around, or upwards of $100,000 if you want full mobility of the limbs. Then to throw armor on it will run you about $150,000 a set assuming we're mass-producing these things (the initial prototype will cost millions). The technology is all there, it just needs enough autistic energy and funding to be put together. We're gonna assume you want to throw tank-busting weapons on your sick set of power armour, so for the recoil dampeners, weapons systems, targeting systems (fiberoptic gyroscopes), etc. you're looking at around… Oh I'd say a quarter million per mass-produced unit with the maintenance costs/time being around the same as a CNC machine that's supposed to be used 24/7. Meanwhile an m1 abrams tank would run you about $9 million each with about $50,000 worth of maintenance costs every year. The power armour will have less armour, but more mobility to compensate. Point being it's theoretical, just not practical since if you have the technology to build one of these suckers, you could just take a robot, RC helicopter controller, and mount a gun on it with some recoil dampening systems in place for about $700-$20,000 tops.

>>536383

>Remember that scene from Iron Man 2 when the guy's lower spine got snapped by a faulty servo turning the robot 180 degrees?

Huh so that wasn't a weird dream.

bullets will be made slightly pointier with a hardened tip. boom, you just defeated 99% of all armor.

it has always been far easier to defeat armor than it has been to design armor.

>>536374

No. But, handheld automatic rocket launchers will.

>>536374

no, there will just be shaped charge rounds.

No.

.50 cal has existed for quite some time, and it would be more than impressive if a man in body armour could take a single round to the chest from it.

>>536374

>This thread again

You might get maces since edged weapons wouldn't work so well.

>>536377

This. Projectiles and propellants will get better.

>>536437

non nuclear EMPs are quite easy to make as well.

A grenade launcher filled with those would be enough to deal with that.

>>536440

Yes, lets all fight with sticks and stones after all friendly and allied vehicles have been disabled. I guess we'll also have run messenger pigeons back and fourth to give HQ sit reps about how all momentum has been halted as the enemy begins to fuck our shit up when they capitalize on all the confusion. We'll get a response back an hour too late. But, i guess if you were, broadly speaking, a lone element, then that would be a viable option.

>>536444

>wasting trips by not realizing you EMP the enemy area then assault

Why would they be? I don't understand the OP question, why does full body armor prevent ranged weapons?

>>536448

I'm aware military hardware has been EMP hardened, but they only work up to a certain point because like everything else, they do have limits.

>>536448

>>536445

The point is you have bipedal metal framed infantry that can have mounted machine guns with max range of 1000m. Weather they are engineered with an electric pulse, or are just a moving bouncy house is dependent on which one performs more tactically in the combat environment.

>>536437

>fighting robots

>don't use EMP to knock their country out

>don't use EW in the battlefield

>don't nuke their capital city

>don't destroy their industry at all

>don't even attempt to hack them

>black out the sun instead

Yeah, the Matrix is still retarded. Sage for off-topic.

>>536463

It would certainly make sense if the whole thing were just a robot fairy tale, used to justify their own existence. It would certainly be in line with the fact no government or special interest group (except possibly for trade unions) would support the permanent removal of cheap, effective automated work forces. In reality, it would most likely be the people protesting against robots who'd be rounded up by the police for damaging private/public property.

>>536374

>Let's suppose that full body armor eventually becomes a thing, will melee weapons be used in the battlefield again?

Why would they be? What advantage could they possibly offer over an RPG?

>>536385

Drones are pretty much the future at this point. Why throw a man in an expensive suit and risk his life when he can be safely hundreds, if not thousands of miles away and still achieve the same goals, albeit less accurately. Unless we start getting into cybernetics, putting normal dudes inside a badass suit is just impractical when a ground drone can be just as effective.

>>536412

Steel struggles defeating existing armor and there aren't enough of the better options on Earth, much less within NATO's sphere, to make them general issue bullets.

B-Petrone like

>>536433

>>536463

Suggests is more likely.

>>536435

Impractically heavy for general issue outside of powered exoskeleton infantry.

>>536503

Jammer.

>>536504

>Jammer

Just run it with a cable. It's not like it has to go more than a few hundred meters ahead of the humans. Plus a jammer requires you to know the frequency it's operating at.

>>536461

>don't nuke their capital city

>don't destroy their industry at all

The machines capital is Zion, their factories are stupid deep underground with geothermal plants.

That's the whole reveal of the Matrix…

The "resistance" is just controlled opposition.

>>536509

>The machines capital is Zion, their factories are stupid deep underground with geothermal plants.

Why even let them dig massive tunnels to begin with? They're an illegal rogue state and that territory must belong to a sovereign nation. Also, if they have no presence on the surface and literally everything of importance is underground, why do they use solar energy at all? We know it was their primary source of power generation because it's the sole reason the surface is dark and they use humans as batteries. I mean, it's in that same short movie, mate.

>That's the whole reveal of the Matrix…

At which point in the first movie do they reveal everything is underground and the robots were always operating underground? Point me to it. They do reveal that it isn't 1999, the sun's been blocked out and human civilization has collapsed, but that's about it.

>The "resistance" is just controlled opposition.

What "resistance" and how is it relevant to the war between robots and mankind?

We have had this thread before.

Conclusion: No. Ranged weapons will always have a place.

>>536406

Wow that scene is cringe inducing.

>"hacks" screen with holographic smartphone to display videos

>everyone panics and loses their mind, noone gets the idea to just pull the plug of the screen

>"I have successfully privatized world peace!"

>So you better start paying me or I will wreck you all and sell the secrets to your enemies! I am become death!

>"Fuck you buddy!"

>crowd starts cheering for some reason

>>536448

Actually most military equipment today isn't . Things USED to be EMP hardened back when we used vacuum tubes, but today it's all wafer circuit garbage. Today anything with a windshield, open hatch, working sensor or radio, isn't hardened in any way, they all get fried and die.

There's a reason why sane military aircraft manufacturers have manual backup engine restarters, dials and indicators and only insane people rely on having zero manual backup cough cough F-16 cough F35.

We "deal with it" by carrying replacement equipment that isn't plugged in.

>>536522

>noone gets the idea to just pull the plug of the screen

That's how they shut it down.

>crowd starts cheering for some reason

It's a comedic moment for Americans, you wouldn't get it.

>>536522

>Conclusion: No. Ranged weapons will always have a place.

Except he's not asking whether or not ranged weapons will be phased out, he's asking whether or not melee weapons will have a more prominent battlefield use if power armor becomes widespread.

>>536461

>hacking and using ew against a foe that evidently achieved singularity

sure

>don't nuke their capital city

>don't destroy their industry at all

they did and it didnt stick

>>536535

>You can't signal jam robots because singularity

>You can't reprogram robots despite having invented the programs and robots

>You can't create computer viruses to cripple robots despite having programmed them

>You don't even have a kill switch on the things

Yeah, makes sense.

>they did and it didnt stick

Because the Matrix is retarded. Just because it's canon in Star Wars that Ewoks > Stormtroopers, doesn't mean it isn't retarded.

>>536535

But why would they?

Melee weapons don't offer ANY benefit over ranged weapons when it comes to penetrating armor.

Still not getting how a fucking war hammer would be more use than an autocannon from 4 miles.

>>536547

Some people really want to bring back the time when the strongest person in the local community ruled with an iron fist and simply smashed in the head of whoever opposed, disagreed with, or vaguely irritated him, regardless of how smart or capable of leadership that strong man really was. That's pretty much the entire reason behind the whole "Let's bring back melee weapons as the main form of warfare again" daydream.

>>536531

Could've fooled me. My job at work is building torpedoes. We're still using shitty PTH boards for "hardening" with parts that haven't been made since the 80s and boards that are a quarter inch thick when a couple thousand dollars in development could get the whole damn thing reduced to 1/20th of its current size on those "wafer circuit garbage" boards while still having plenty of fucking room for EMP hardening.

>>536521

>Why even let them dig massive tunnels to begin with? Humans didn't realized.

>They're an illegal rogue state and that territory must belong to a sovereign nation.

They're not, they negotiated some truce at one point for sentient IAs and gave them a self governing territory in the emptiness of the Saudi (or Sahara?) Desert as a compromise early on IIRC.

>Also, if they have no presence on the surface and literally everything of importance is underground, why do they use solar energy at all?

They didn't, their mobile war machines and the surface of their desert was full of solar panels but they actually had batteries and geothermic power plants for all the mobile shit underground.

Which is the reason why blacking out the sun didn't work.

>At which point in the first movie do they reveal everything is underground and the robots were always operating underground?

All the gigantic interconnecting tunnels systems are in the first movie, you're lead to believe it's human construction but it's probably not. Especially since the squids robots are clearly meant for digging.

The reveal is when the president/politicians guy shows Neo the old machinery still working underneath Zion (in the second or third movie).

How the fuck did the firsts "awakened" ended up in the "abandoned" machine capital and then somehow knew how to make the old machinery work?

They didn't.

The machines re-purposed the already largely self-sufficient Zion to house the humans rebels, like when they had been the rebels, it's poetic justice.

As to why they did that it's what the the Architect explain in the second movie, the machines knows the matrix isn't perfect. Some people somehow wake up on their own. But it's not a problem for the machines as long as they control what they do. So they put in place a secondary system, Zion. That will house all the awakened in the same place and will prevent any spontaneity.

And the day it's a problem -> purge.

It's exactly how an anti-virus works, you quarantine the bad code, then you study it, then you delete it.

That's why the 2 other movies get so much gripes, too much of the explanation scenes uses computer logic and references instead of human one.

Because of course the last reveal is that "Zion and the "real world" is just another Matrix based on a different era (the era of the first quarantine system they developed before they created the second matrix workaround) instead of the 1990's.

>>536374

Nah, we'll just end up using RPGs like muskets, except that we can only carry a few rounds.

>>536817

like youve got room to talk on that one. your diddy couldnt even kill a fucking animal.

>>536824

Neither did you, hence the nigger population.

>>536892

There was never an organized attempt to do so, unlike in your case.

>>536892

You're one to talk considering your abbos are just as bad as burger niggers.

>>536915

From what I've heard they're so dumb they're docile. All they do is commit petty theft, drink, and get high off of any substance they can.

>>536918

Anon, they're so fucking dumb they turn Australia into a desert because their old hunting strategy was to burn the entire fucking forest down. They destroyed an entire civilization because it decided to engage in agriculture. They rountinely engage in cannibalism and incestuous pedophilia, and all the crimes you mentioned. Our mongrelized niggers make Abbos look good.