/k/ - Weapons

>>532125

Massive rims and shotgun shells aren't a standard OAL

shotgun shells have a big ol rim on em, and the magazines have to be fuckhueg to hold any more than 10 shells. plus you can use shorter or longer shells without having to screw around with an internal mag shotgun.

Because shotgun magazines are huge and take up more space with less room for ammo for standard size.

>>532780

>>532780

Carrying spares would be a bitch. Although, maybe a bow quiver type arrangement might work…

>>532818

Just like in that youtube video…

I think this action with standard shotshells that had the rim removed would work just fine.

>>532818

>>532819

I honestly think you could increase the practical rounds-per-minute by using 4 or 5 shell reloading tubes instead of those 8 shell ones shown in the video. The length of the 8 round tube is so long that even that experienced shooter loses tons of time fumbling with removing it from his pouch and in trying to get it lined up with the receiver. I think shorter tubes would be so much more ergonomic to handle that they would wind up being faster over a sustained period.

>>532826

Ejection, friendo.

>>532835

Fair point. Youd want to make sure the crimp doesnt get stuck anywhere, or use those shells with a shotcard over the top instead of a crimp.

>>532836

I think you'd just have to make the chamber as long as the cartridge with the crimp open, and then you can still push it out with an unfired shells that has the crimp closed. Of course Textron's design is retarded for many reasons, one of them is that the pushing rod seems to remain in place and only moves after the cartridge was fired. I'm literally learning the basics of CAD right now to make something better in the coming years.

>>532835

Does anyone know how these sorts of designs deal with never letting a round go too far forward and causing a jam? Is it just relying on the case in front of it? Seems like a tolerance nightmare for reliability in field conditions.

Also, wouldn't the weapon be subjected to rolling forces from the chamber mass flipping?

>>532851

>I'm literally learning the basics of CAD right now to make something better in the coming years.

Pick up Solidworks or Creo. They're objectively the best software and Solidworks will usually ship you a free student copy if you tell them you're a poor student who wants to get certified in 4-6 months to make $15-$25/hour designing shit.

>>532780

>But what if it was a detachable tube magazine?

These do exist, but they're only used in competition by professional shooters. I used to have a video of a competitive shooter from, I want to say Thailand, who had a shotgun with a detachable tube magazine. He would shoot until empty then pull his extended mag tube forward and discard it, pull a fresh one from his hip pouch, and insert it from the front of his gun. A very neat setup but I understand why it never became the standard.

Box magazines potentially offer a lot more capacity, but a single tube magazine will never be able to hold more than a fixed single tube magazine. So the thinking goes: why bother with detachables when the end user can just use speed loaders for the same effect?

>>534365

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>>532125

Because you only need 2 rounds in a shotgun

Even having 6 is overkill

>>534529

Get out, Biden. We know it's you.

>>532851

Can Hungarians even own guns? Don't you guys have some gay ass police approval thing you have to do or something?

>>534557

Short answer is yes.

It strongly considered getting an Akdal MKA 1919 instead because of its more familiar layout, but I decided to go with the Saiga instead because of its parts availability. That's something you need to consider with any gun, but it's especially important if you intend to use it for more than just the range or if you want to modify it in any way.

These types of shotguns aren't as good when it comes to trap/skeet, the sights are held over from the AK and really best used against ground targets. Still, you should be able to get used to them after an afternoon of practice.

>>534609

I am interested in them for defense of my memes, so I'm not concerned about skeets. The Saiga seems like the best option, so

>How does it pattern?

>Effective range?

>How reliable is it?

>How long can you fire it without a jam/jams frequently occurring?

>How resistant is it to dirt?

>How often do you need to clean it?

>Can it cycle birdshot?

>How sturdy are the mags?

>Can it fire a single round without a mag in the well?

>How heavy is it, and where is it most heaviest?

>How controllable is it?

>Would you trust it to defend your life?

>>534611

Not the same anon but I have some experience.

>>How does it pattern?

Nothing remarkable, but it will keep buckshot on target.

>>Effective range?

Standard shotgun ranges - slugs will reach out to 100 yards with ease, birdshit is a bit poor and buckshot is serviceable. The choke isn't very tight due to how versatile it's meant to be.

>>How reliable is it?

Keep it lubed and mind your ammunition choices. 3" shot shells fit in 3" marked magazines, 2 3/4" shells fit in 2 3/4" marked magazines.

Unlike pistol or rifle magazines you'll want to occasionally cycle ammunition due to spring pressure squeezing the plastic hulls and flimsy brass.

>>How long can you fire it without a jam/jams frequently occurring?

Too many variables. A malfunction will most often occur due to undergassing or a crap round hanging up against the chamber.

>>How resistant is it to dirt?

As good as a standard AK - I wouldn't dunk it in mud, but if you drop it on the ground you should be fine for a while before pulling the top cover off for a quick cleaning.

>>How often do you need to clean it?

Lubrication is more important for semi-autos, though scrubbing the gas tube on occasion should be okay. No oil there, though, that's a bad idea.

If you're insistent on cleaning, it's just like any other gun; do it whenever you want - after a range trip, after having it out in the rain, or just because you feel like it.

>>Can it cycle birdshot?

If you adjust the gas settings properly, yes.

>>How sturdy are the mags?

Polymer boxes built as robust as any other. The drums feel clunky but otherwise feel okay.

>>Can it fire a single round without a mag in the well?

Yes.

>>How heavy is it, and where is it most heaviest?

Heavier than a 7.62 or 5.45 AK. Center of gravity is, as expected, where the front trunnion and receiver are joined.

>>How controllable is it?

It's a 12 gauge AK. You'll have the same quirks of an AK(receiver flexing and slapping your cheek with the buttstock) with the recoil impulse of a shotgun. When the adrenaline kicks in you'll ignore it anyway.

>>Would you trust it to defend your life?

I've done it with shittier guns, so sure.

>>534557

Don't know about burger prices but the Vepr and to a slightly lesser extent the Saiga12 are definitely worth the money. If you have the choice between the two the Vepr is the more mil-spec gun.

>>534532

How are you worried about missing with a SHOTGUN?

It's AOE. Shoot anywhere in general direction you'll score a hit.

>>534712

>>534676

>>534529

Now that I've sewn the seeds of discord, I shall leave stay in this thread :^).