4a26d5 No.522818
Excerpted from a delphiforum thread
> "A simple bicycle (pushed, not ridden) has the advantage of being narrow enough to work on narrow trails, can be manhandled over obstacles, lay flat to make them less conspicuously, It can carry the gear of two men plus more (batteries, force multipliers, jammers) allowing them to do the entire patrol in their assault loadout instead of approach/emergency approach loadout and can be pushed by one man who can simply drop it if he needs to. Of course someone has to guard the gear if they need to move away from it, it doesn't make the patrol any faster but does reduce fatigue and allow for additional longevity before resupply."
Bicyles are the only solution to the growing trend of heavier and bulkier infantry. Low heat signature, less weight off the soldier, low maintenance, no need for fuel. Basically good all round.
Too bad every country needs it's military to be gay tacticicool with all the high tech gear and vehicles and don't have the balls to go back to more proven practical means
fbd16f No.522833
Bicycles and carts have been proposed for a long time, no one wants to use them because it makes you look like a fag.
fb7c3c No.522838
>>522833
the answer is simple: we must design tacticool bicycles!
018e56 No.522854
I was part of a Recon unit.
We did some patrols on bicycles as part of our training.
Basically we were supposed to use them in order to reconnoiter behind our own lines, to ensure that no enemy recon unit made it past, to check on roads, to make sure nobody sabotages bridges or power lines etc.
So we took our gear and saddled up, an entire Platoon on bikes, going for something like 60km in half a day with one or two breakes. Two "scouts" a kilometer ahead would make sure we took the right turns and nobody would ambush us. Everyone had their own observation area, and we had to keep a good distance between us, very similarly to on foot patrols.
It was actually quite cool, and we managed to do FAR longer distances with the same normal gear as usual compared to on foot. Of course, if we weren't nearly as concealed riding bikes on the roads, but that's why we use them BEHIND our lines. Stealth doesn't matter as much there. Only problems we encountered were:
A: if you have some weakling among you, everyone has to dismount at every tiny hill and push the bike uphill, which is gay as fuck.
B: Your gun kind of gets in the way, as does the center bar between your legs. When you have to lug around a backpack and your gun, you kind of want one of those "lady's bikes", with nothing between your legs. You can also (dis)mount a lot faster with those.
Luckily our leader had predicted this an rented civilian lady bikes from a local store.
Unluckily those bikes were smurf blue.
An entire recon platoon on blue lady bikes, packing full gear and Flecktarn uniforms, as well as Koppel/plate carriers, Molle systems. Only thing missing were our guns on that day, since nobody wanted to bother with the paperwork of allowing us to carry them on public roads as part of an exercise.
We were also forced to wear gay-red bicycle helmets on public roads and were only permitted to put on our combat helmets once we reached the training grounds. We looked ridiculous, but I would do it again, because ridiculous shit turns a rifleman into a strelok.
I checked, sadly I don't have any pictures of that event.
TL;DR: German recon still uses bikes occasionally, and they are fucking useful for stuff on friendly turf.
c1ff02 No.522860
>>522818
Dunno about actual battlefield, but here private bikes are being widely used everywhere in the rear so due to that the General Staff is planning to start buying them with a tax money 6 gorillion dollars a piece soon.
>>522854
Thanks for letting your bikes being stolen by polans tho, you guys supply the entire Eastern Europe including our army with dirt cheap vehicles.
fbd16f No.522862
>>522854
How concealed are you when you're marching on foot?
Multi speed bikes with no top tube, and I'd suggest placing NIJ IV plate into the rear wheel instead of the spokes, so if you're under fire all you have to do is throw your bike flat on the ground and hide behind the rear wheel. Plate lying flat, at a high angle, would basically be a ready made pillbox.
>Only thing missing were our guns on that day, since nobody wanted to bother with the paperwork of allowing us to carry them on public roads as part of an exercise.
>We were also forced to wear gay-red bicycle helmets on public roads and were only permitted to put on our combat helmets once we reached the training grounds.
What the actual fuck? Are you military or boy scouts?
fbd16f No.522864
>>522846
Neat.
200 miles per charge.
fb7c3c No.522865
>>522864
>200 miles per charge.
more since you can recharge automatically with dynamo/ different gene system
018e56 No.522867
>>522860
Schengen was a mistake. Stay in your easterneuro shithole and stop stealing bikes you fags. They aren't even expensive to make, why do you steal ours when you can make ones yourselves?
>>522862
>How concealed are you when you're marching on foot?
Depends on the mission. We could go full sneeki breeki, and be ghosts on the ground, or just plain walk along the roads in the open. The first is for front line work, while the latter is for anything besides that.
Honestly, those guys can be scary. Two of them managed to get to within 10 meters of around 3 (I shit you not, we shone flashlights at them and still didn't see them) meters of us.
>What the actual fuck? Are you military or boy scouts?
There is a reason why I said:
>I was part of
and not
>I am part of
However it was a rather unplanned one time thing we did, because we wanted to. They had one week advance notice, and I am impressed our leadership managed to source the bikes from a civvie supplier and not have to pay for them out of his own pocket. They would have needed a two weeks advance notice for us to bring the guns along on public roads. I am sure that, if we were to do that again we could bring everything.
We even (jokingly) planned to attach the MGs on the handlebars, which would allow us to use the bikes as mobile tripods.
We even (seriously) planned to borrow the MP7 s from another unit and take them along, because they are less bothersome while riding.
Also: What about quadcycle technicals with trench mortars or AA guns loaded on the back?
107776 No.522917
>>522818
Fuck bicycles when you can have one of these things, they go fucking anywhere and can carry three people + gear
018e56 No.522924
>>522917
Krafträder have one massive disadvantage though: noise.
A normal bicycle is nearly totally silent. Ever walk along a street and all of a sudden BICYCLIST FROM BEHIND OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE!!!
You can hear a Kraftrad from many many kilometers away, and that is not even talking about an entire platoon of them riding in formation.
Yes, a motorized vehicle can carry more and is faster, but you also get all the disadvantages of motorized vehicles, and this is a thread about non-motorized vehicles.
Also: horses went out of style in 1870. Get over it cavalry fags.
9c0304 No.522928
>>522818
Bicyles tire the user, are horrible for escaping/endurance/speed wise and can't be used in all terrain.
If anything, at least propose Motorbikes? Electric bikes?
5015e9 No.522957
>>522928
>Bicyles tire the user, are horrible for escaping/endurance/speed wise
put on a 20lb backpack and walk 10 miles, then the next day wear a 20lb backpack and bike 10 miles. then tell me which one was faster and which one left you the most tired.
018e56 No.522960
>>522957
This tbh. As long as there are roads or even dirt paths, you can use a bike to get along. If you can't go any further either find a way around (and still be quicker) or carry/push the bike through the terrain and then remount once you can. You could even dump it and remember the location in case you come by it again, or some rear echelon unit has the possibility to collect it. This would be especially useful if any larger formations run into difficult terrain.
4979de No.522962
>>522957
Are you retarded? What Motorbikes would be for? Cars?
But ok ok, you're right, hahaha, go tell your idea to the army and report back here what they said.
fddc84 No.522964
What are the laws in Texas for transporting a firearm by bike?
5015e9 No.522965
>>522962
seems like english is not your primary language and/or you are actually retarded. the point of the thread is about the use of bicycles as a supplement to infantry. historically the bicycle mounted infantry would be closest to dragoons as a force that would move mounted, but engage on foot which is completely different from motorized infantry.
also most militaries already have some degree of motorbike in use, but its usually a dualsport that is more geared for offroad and has limited specialist use. logistically bicycles are much easier than dirtbikes and more realistic for infantry use.
>>522964
open carry of long arms is legal in texas
fddc84 No.522966
>>522965
What if it's concealed, like in a soft case or a takedown rifle in a backpack?
5b7b83 No.522969
>>522966
You need a CC permit me thinks.
I don't remember if backpacks count as "out of the way" like a car. I can't remember if you needed to have it unloaded while OC.
c75714 No.522972
Bicycle-marches are absolutely the comfiest thing in the military.
>all of your shit is on a bicycle
>the only thing that is a bitch to mount is your rifle, but I bet even that could be solved in some reasonable fashion
>you're not in a hurry because you're on a goddamn bicycle
>even shitty weather sucks less since you're out there for a shorter period of time if compared to having to walk that distance
239692 No.522977
I've never been in the military, but hunting is much more fun on a bike. When SHTF, I'm grabbing my nugget, freeze-dried soda pop, and hopping on me bike.
>>522917
And my 1998 Camry can go anywhere while carrying 6 folks and a considerable amount of booze. That doesn't make it an uberbike you wehraboo.
>>522924
Horses are kinda sorta useful. You're right about cavalryfags though: they're nearly as bad as *aboos.
>>522972
>tfw no military-bicycle complex yet
ffe09b No.522979
>>522924
Advances in electric motorcycles nullify your points
d5f783 No.522986
>american military decides bicycles are tacticool
>afghan kids everywhere suddenly missing their bikes
It's probably for the best that we're to stuck up to do something so third world as to use bikes.
107776 No.522988
>>522977
Would it be better if I posted a picture of a 70's Ural which does the same thing as the KS750/BMWR75? Besides that I'd kill to see a Camry go up a game trail or where the road decides to vanish due to nobody maintaining it after years of outright abandonment.
6de215 No.523008
Metal Gear Solid isn't a documentary. Goofy autistic shit like ninja flips, backflipping motorcycles, cloning soldiers, female soldiers, bipedal walking tanks, and fucking bicycles are not actual effective things.
fbd16f No.523025
>>522867
>quadcycle technicals with trench mortars or AA guns loaded on the back?
fucking lol
this is so dumb it might work
b33c48 No.523040
>>522818
>>522854
they aint glamorous, but folding bikes solve some of the problems of tactical bike use - >they're step through without the stigma of being a girlie bike
>they can be folded up and carried or concealed if necessary
>>522846
second pic is a folder but no the step through kind
fddc84 No.523046
>>523040
What would be the ideal feature list for a military bike?
>stepthrough for quick and easy (dis)mount
>folding for transport and stealth
>some method of retaining rifle without muzzling everyone (likely pic 1 related but facing other way)
>usable as tripod
>can attach standard ammo can and/or water/fuel jerry cans as these are two things you'd want infantry to transport beyond their standard kit and won't fit in a backpack
>fat bike for all terrain (?)
cda73d No.523050
>>523046
>>523046
Fellow burger, stick to talking about gasguzzlers so you don't make us look bad.
Have a link about this very subject.
http://sheldonbrown.com/
6a9f17 No.523051
>have to deal with whiny "look at me I am saving the planet" liberal cucks riding their faggot bikes in the middle of the road on my way to work
>WW3 happens
>I get conscripted and issued a god damn bike
Just kill me
1324c2 No.523071
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Don't forget bicycle cavalry.
018e56 No.523097
>>523046
>stepthrough for quick and easy (dis)mount
100% this. You are already packing a backpack and a carrier, so lifting your leg over a pole on hip height is rather exhausting.
>folding for transport and stealth
Very optional. I would rather think that some way of attaching the bike to your backpack so you have atleast one or even two hands free when carrying it across terrain is more important.
>some method of retaining rifle without muzzling everyone (likely pic 1 related but facing other way)
Well, we got folding stocks and there already are holders for G36 in most vehicles. You could easily mount one of them on a bike too. I would probably mount them so that you can grab the rifle while still riding. Imagine getting shot at while riding down a street, but you have to continue at full speed for another 100 meters to get to the next piece of solid cover. Grabbing the rifle and holding it in your hand as soon as you get off will make jumping off and ditching the bike easier.
>usable as tripod
Anything can be used as a tripod/bipod. Just prop the rifle on the handlebar and shoot leaning over the rear wheel bent down like a sissy bitch.
>can attach standard ammo can and/or water/fuel jerry cans as these are two things you'd want infantry to transport beyond their standard kit and won't fit in a backpack
This tbh. Especially water is extremely useful to have in large canisters. It would also be cool if there were specialized food biker versions, for soldiers to carry warm meals to the fighting troops.
>fat bike for all terrain (?)
Definitely a no. You don't need fat tires for offroading. Unless you plan to go through Stalingradrollbahn-esque mud, at which point being able to attach skis would be better. Optionally two skies on both sides, so that you can still use the wheels for propulsion and the bike won't sink into the mud as much. Two soldiers could grab the handle bar, one on each side, and push the bike, which would hold all of their gear and prevent the soldiers from sinking in too deep. The larger surface area of the skis will mean that the bike won't sink down, and the soldiers won't need to push nearly as hard to keep it moving, while the weight off their shoulders also adds to them being less strained.
>>523051
City bicyclists are the worst. They constantly switch between "I HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS A CAR, RESPECT MAH AUTHORETEH!" and "I am just a biker. No need for me to stay on the roads or adhere to traffic law. I deserve the same protection as a pedestrian".
fuck em. Decide which one you want to be and either stay on the road, stick to traffic lights and signs, or stay the fuck on the pavement and use your little bicycle ring bell like the fucking faggot you are to make sure you don't ram into a pedestrian. Jesus christ one of you faggots once broke my brothers arms because you rammed into him after switching from the road to the pavement because you didn't want to wait for the light to turn green, and didn't ring your fucking bell once he stopped to tie his shoelaces!
Fuck bicycle fags. Fuck em with a tire-pump!
29c96c No.523114
>>523046
Directly from 1915
e74e30 No.523138
>>523051
>>523097
>giving even more money to kikes every time you go to work
Good goy! Buy new Truck brand truckex 9001 to prove that you are not a limp wristed sissy boy. Fill er up!
244dad No.523139
>>523008
Why do you hate fun?
Also
>that picture
I bet you're the coolest kid in the 10th grade.
2ee4d3 No.523155
>>522818
Motorized bicycles would be great for tactical movement. Especially for use with MANPADS
d5f783 No.523156
>>523138
>Buy new Truck brand truckex 9001 to prove that you are not a limp wristed sissy boy. Fill er up!
Listen here you limp wristed sissy boy, my trucks are all older than i am. These 40,000 shekel big brother tier truck can all go lane-assist themselves off a cliff.
I'd tell you to go shove it up your ass, but the big black dildo of a seat you ride on the daily has that space reserved.
a6fde5 No.523162
>>523138
>living in a city
>implying you are white
0f276f No.523179
Can't wait for the US to overspend the bike designing budget and end up with a $400m bike.
a4c125 No.523263
>>523179
High end electrical assisted mountain bikes are in the 5000€ realm already.
Add foldable + military prices and they'll make them as costly as a cheap 4x4…
8e2b87 No.523288
>>523179
>>523263
Please stop giving them ideas.
41a6fa No.523518
>>523288
<Corporate tattoo on his forearm
What a pathetic slave mentality. Truly disgusting.
fbd16f No.523528
>>523155
Tubes are strong enough now to be hollow and have lots of space inside, could easily put a battery in them. Plus some small motors on the wheels.
623ff9 No.523531
>>523528
This is becoming a major problem in professional cycling, to the point where they use infrared imaging to look for hot spots that would indicate hidden machinery.
5c26ef No.523534
>>522862
Do you have any idea how autistic you sound? How much effort would be required to pedal on a bike with a tire made from NIJ IV?
Are you the same leaf that said flak jackets would make you invincible against an attack helicopter?
3f132e No.523550
>>522864
She looks very constipated… and the bike is neat as fuck, specially the one with the remote
>flamethrower
on top.
>>523518
He is getting paid as a living ad billboard. The future is now.
873817 No.525034
024e78 No.525045
>>523531
I imagine it would increase the weight, but that's not an issue for a military bike. Taliban already ride on motorbikes and fire RPGs from them, so it's got to be useful in some way given how successful they are.
ELECTROBIKE CAVALRY WHEN?
024e78 No.525047
>>523534
The main weapon of apaches is the 30mm chain gun, with the most used cartridge being M789 HEDP, due to simplicity other ammo types aren't used. HEDP means high explosive dual purpose. The high explosive is 27 grams of PBXN-5, and that's pushing on two main means of dealing damage:
1. A copper HEAT cup capable of penetrating 30-35mm RHA.
2. No fragmentation sleeve, but the HE does fragment the aluminum casing randomly which can hurt infantry.
Do you understand what this means?
It's not meant to kill infantry, it only does so when the infantry is deeply in the kill zone, and when infantry is standing up. If they lie flat they're not going to get hurt, especially with flak vests.
7db78f No.525048
>>523179
>be British
>design a nice motor bike
>get told "no you are going to use this truck" by America and capitulate like a little bitch
>America suddenly decides bikes are a good idea
>"what shall we do lads, buy a bike from the yanks?"
<no no no, we are British! Remember, due to a technicality involving several tiny military bases and irrelevant islands near spicland the sun still never sets on the British empire!
>design a bike with no fucking gears, as heavy as the original motor bike was and twice as heavy as the US bike
<oi we bought this German bike company have them do it!
>they fix it even though it is still heavy as fuck
>never actually use the bike
928fe4 No.525061
>>525047
ok then go put on some kevlar and take a 30 mm round to the chest.
oooo ooo wait
kevlar can't stop a 55 gr going 3,000 ft/s let alone 236 gr projectile going 2,641 ft/s its almost like you don't know what your talking about.
LET ALONE ONE PACKED WITH EXPLOSIVE FURTHER THE FT LBS OF ENERGY BEYOND ANYTHING THAT ANY FLAK JACKET COULD EVER TAKE.
Fuck I know canadas military is shit but god damn try to keep your pants on and your ass hole off the keyboard.
024e78 No.525066
>>525061
Nigger you know we're not talking about direct hits, there is no body armor in the world that's taking a HEAT shell and surviving.
How can you write that comment and not have the self awareness to realize it sounds like ridiculous straw grabbing.
873817 No.525079
>>525066
>Maplestanians get cucked by HEAT shells even with body armor
Canucks, everyone.
101dbe No.525082
9ad64b No.525083
>>525082
https://www.bicycling.com/racing/are-tour-de-france-racers-cheating-with-secret-motors
I guess the version I heard wasn't fully accurate, only one verified case despite a lot of checking.
024e78 No.525113
>>525079
and you get cucked by niggers despite being a gunless fag.
873817 No.525114
12e333 No.525115
Not to post in favor, nor against bikes, but here's an anecdote from WW2
http://www.dererstezug.com/BicycleRambo.htm
024e78 No.525117
>>525083
Still proves the concept, and proves engineers in charge of detecting cheating are worried about it.
>>525115
>unamerican
That's really the biggest opponent of bikes, the fact that they aren't seen as manly, or powerful.
The effectiveness speaks for itself, wheel > legs anytime.
928fe4 No.525119
>>525066
>How can you write that and not have the self awareness to realize it sounds like ridiculous straw grabbing.
Coming from the canuck who thinks that flak jackets will in any way stop stop 30 mm rounds
>bu bubut ITS ONLY FRAGMENTS YOU AUTIST AND FLAK JACKETS PPPPPROTECT AGAINST THAT
yeah its also does the crazy thing where the explosive liquefies the copper and that shit splashed every where. So the only way your thought process isn't WRONG is if the round completely misses and part of the shell fragment comes back and does hit the person in the vest. Thats not likely to happen if someones aiming that shit at you with any kind of advanced optical device. in other words
YOUR IDEA IS BAD STOP PARROTING IT AND GIVING TRUDEAU MORE AMMO
>>525113
>gunless
ooo someones salty
>>525066
928fe4 No.525122
>>525115
so does this larping website have a single citation?
024e78 No.525125
>>525119
Nigger do you think the apache is headshotting durkas with 30mm at two miles range???? It has a 30 yard CEP ffs.
You know nothing, go back to /mlp/ or wherever you came from.
c4e5fa No.525126
>>523162
But I don't. I bike around ~20 miles to/from work because I'm no fatass.
>>523156
>my trucks are all older than I am
Having a truck that's over 14 years old isn't that big of a deal. My shitty sedan is nearly twice that old. It works fine because I only drive it to go hunting.
It's your dime though. Just don't complain about guns being expensive while literally burning money.
928fe4 No.525128
>>525125
look out everyone hes spilling maple syrup everywhere
besides you dont need a direct hit just to be in the splash zone of the molten copper of the round.
either put a cap on it or go to /b/ and drip syrup all over that place
d8a953 No.525131
>>525128
>HEAT warheads actually area denial weapons that leave behind pools of liquid copper
101dbe No.525141
>>525083
Archive because it whines about adblockers.
https://archive.is/aMxXr
3668c3 No.525147
>>525128
The liner in HEAT shells doesn't melt, it's just moving so fast that in computer simulations and calculations it's often modeled as a semi-liquid. There aren't any pools of it, there's a few grams of copper in that 30mm shell and it's all buried as a slug about three feet deep into sand before the concussion or casing fragments even reach the sandniggers.
30mm is weak in anti personnel mode, it has about a 2m kill radius. We've been working on phasing out the M789 for awhile now, Al Qaeda have no armor, we have nothing to use the HEAT shell on.
Just look at what he posted. In his gif that apache expended 30 rounds and maybe five of them were close enough to hurt the terrorists. Apaches fire again, and again even after the terrorists are lying down because they often fake being dead until the helicopter has moved on. That's how bad of an effect they have.
6a5cc3 No.525154
>>525126
>Having a truck that's over 14 years old isn't that big of a deal.
>le ur a 14 year old meme
Some truly top tier bants there.
>My shitty sedan is nearly twice that old. It works fine because I only drive it to go hunting.
>my car runs fine the 6 times a year i drive it
So, it's a piece of shit, that at least runs? Im missing your point here. Mine is over 30 and runs fine more than once a month. Sorry you got a shitbox m8.
>It's your dime though. Just don't complain about guns being expensive while literally burning money.
>yeah goy, just throw out that old 20 mpg truck you own.
>instead, come "buy" (read: loan) a 30,000$ + interest car with 30 mpg, think of all the gas money you can now put towards paying off that loan!
3668c3 No.525167
>>525153
Facts are facts, even if they make you butthurt. You don't know enough about weapons for the weapons board and all you do is cause trouble and troll. It's time to leave. Reported.
8ba630 No.525180
>>522818
>bicycling on an island
What is the point? America is your taskmaster, dog. Your only enemy nations are North Korea, Russia and PRC. There is no point even in having a conventional military, any war at all and you will be nuked.
0456e1 No.525217
>>525180
Back in your tunnel zipperhead
928fe4 No.525227
>>525167
>defends syrup posting autism
>all you do is cause trouble and troll. It's time to leave. Reported.
pic related must be you
873817 No.525253
>>10799014
Why hate Japan? I'm ignorant on the subject but wouldn't China be more concerning?
65e652 No.525257
>>525253
Are you replying to the HK annon?
873817 No.525259
65e652 No.525261
>>525259
HK is in an odd position. They developed well because its position ties it in closely to mainland China. It used to get a lot of trade when the commies did their business via smuggling and shit there but now kinda looses the importance now that China has its own market economy My family isnt from HK so don't quote me exactly on this Think Japan-China relationships as the pre-EU German-French relationship. Not a good one due to history. It doesn't help about the communist government portraying Japan as a bunch of Russian rapist-tier robots. China is also salty about it's cultural hegemony in Asia getting displaced by Japan And India, which wasn't a nation prior to British "imperialism" to it. Also, HK discriminates heavily against mandarin speakers (major source of tension iirc). Thank god I'm A) American-Chinese, B) English Speaking. If the Chinese government really wanted to fuck over HK, they could, but emit's kinda Red China's little democracy "experiment" The other "experiment" is Singapore. Mainly cause mainland China is too fucking stupid to figure out how to work as a group and they want to see HK (they consider them to be ~10-20 years ahead of mainland politically).
Think of HK as Liechtenstein or Luxemborg, if france/germany even the dutch wanted to fuck it over they probably could with ease. Political ramifications aside. HK is where a lot of the Chinese communist party launders it's money too, Xi can't be bothered to remove one of the main source of loyalty and his personal coffers
879b93 No.525310
>>525261
>Thank god I'm A) American-Chinese, B) English Speaking
You must be speaking in relative terms
7ae11a No.525384
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Since an m93 costs a small fortune, what would be things to look for in buying a bi/k/e at a less than 200$ rate?
3bfe00 No.525392
4372a3 No.525396
>>525261
> Thank god I'm A) American-Chinese
I thought these were called Canadians.
0af2ae No.525433
Bykes get so pricy here… Top tier bikes, used by professional in sport cost up to more than a thousand euros…
Do you have some kind of buying guide?
Should I get some random bike that looks solid enough, or is there some to chose (300e max)?
I prefer to buy a car than a 600+ euro bike…
7a50a4 No.525482
>>525433
>toothpaste doesnt know how to get bikes
You are a disgrace to ons volk and should be thrown over the belgian border emediatly.
8f3b48 No.525495
>>522818
I found the forum you got that from. Here is one the other threads:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/7107/31
>On another forum I lurk, an Hungarian fellow suggested that an IW based off of the Steyr ACR with the URZ feed mechanism could have some serious potential. I don't know enough to say, however some of the users here might like to get the noggin joggin' on that one. Here is the wikipedia link for it, including the patents. He is pretty fanatical about rifle grenades too.
<Get off 8ch!!! If you want to be in the Ran
Fucking wew. Hungary's autism is internationally renowned.
8f3b48 No.525496
>>525495
Nevermind, I just checked the dates. This thread is older than the Delphi forum post about rifle grenades. It's people in this thread going to the forum. I was excited for a moment there, I thought Hungary was developing a reputation on par with Mike Sparks.
65e652 No.525498
>>525396
You wish. The Chinese have already begun the invasion of the west coast proper. Just give it 20 years and we'll all be bowing down to glorious xi and living the dream of "socialist paradise"
Captcha: qumfke lol
65e652 No.525499
>>525310
I'm pale enough to be white. Just too slant eyed lol.
aa455a No.526372
>>525498
>>525499
>lol
>doubleposting
End your miserable existence.
ef68a1 No.526402
>>525498
>The Chinese have already begun the invasion of the west coast proper.
9ad64b No.526416
>>526402
That's hilarious.
101dbe No.526419
>>526402
>street is home to half the DNC officials
and nothing of value was lost.
501ad4 No.526442
>>522818
>Bicyles are the only solution to the growing trend of heavier and bulkier infantry.
Just stop buying them all this shit. Soldier need rifle, pouch for ammo, uniform, entrenching tool, canteen and first aid kit. May add helmet.
aa455a No.526472
>>526442
>no radio
>no knife
>no gloves
>no cold weather jacket
>no sleepingbag
>no Zeltbahn
>no soap
Have you learned nothing from Opertion Blau?
e9edfa No.526473
>>522818
I'm a bigger fan of picrelated.
aa455a No.526475
>>526473
Sure, you try and drive one of those things through a field or lug it up a hill. I would rather stick to my pedals and not break my back in doing so.
694503 No.526531
>>526473
At first glance I thought there were jelly beans strapped to the front in that second pic
e9edfa No.526545
>>526531
Tactical jelly beans would probably be a pretty useful thing to have in the field for morale purposes.
aa455a No.526553
>>526545
>tactical jellybeans
>not Pervitin
Wait, we did this already…
bf2835 No.526581
>>526475
Obviously it's for urban warfare and not deploying in a mountainside somewhere you dingus.
e6c977 No.527279
>>523046
Rocket propulsion on the back for increased speed, ringing the bell toggles their angle upwards for better jumps.
7e937b No.527280
>>527279
>Pentagon wars, bike edition
901d51 No.528963
>>525384
You know, you could BUILD one. It's a steel frame, so just get some tube and put it together yourself. Buy the remaining bike parts and there you go. That's how mountain bikes were build before they were commercially available.
0734ec No.528969
The Swiss Bikes have cool shit
>MG3 mount on the back
>Mounts Panzerfaust 3 aswell
>Can hold a cart behind for stuffs
542524 No.528973
>>528969
Yeah and ofcourse it just had to be the Swiss that somehow managed to get it done properly despite not having fired a bullet in anger for almost 200 years. Those bikes look so damn practical that I do want to get one.
901d51 No.528976
>>528969
You can buy these, they're rather expensive though and the ones they sell off often have problems. Or you build them yourself, as I already said. Get a good steel frame going, add all the heavy duty bike stuff you need like springs, etc. and you're there for probably 1/3 of the price.
1fa399 No.528977
Electric quad bikes are the future.
892226 No.528987
>>528969
Fuck those mountain Italian-Frensh-Germans! Why do THEY get proper military bikes? Their entire country is fucking mountains, if there ever was a terrain where you DONT need bikes it would be there. Unless you want to drag that shit uphill
So I was already typing out an entire angry response about why the Swiss don't need fucking bikes, but then I realized: WHEELS. Do you want to drag a whole lot of equipment up a hill on some shitty road all by yourself, or do you just want to call over another bloke to help you push the bike with the extra cargo wagon on the back? This is genius. Instead of putting the weight on the backs of the soldiers, you put it on the bikes, making tripping and falling a lot less likely. If you want to stop and catch your breath, just hold down the brakes. Wanna go downhill? Just get on the bike and apply brakes liberally. o roads or field tracks to push your bike uphill? Leave it, radio it's location to the nearest rear echelon unit for later retrieval. Fucking Swiss, why do they get everything so right?
>canteen holder near handle so you can drink while riding, probably also works with NBC connection tube for your gasmask
>extra storage space on front wheel
>bell for warning others (civillians/allies) of potential dangers (your bike column, or a tank you just spotted)
>map holder on handle
>no unnecessary suspension expect on the seat
>seat made from sturdy leather, not synthetic shit that will get cut up easily by thorns
>steel protectors around rear gearing
>mudguard to protect pants from getting ripped up in the gears of the front gearing
>lights with dynamo
>no reflectors
>steel baskets perfectly made for ammo boxes
>even AT ammo fits perfectly into the holders
>steel guard around
>storage clamps in the back that properly hold everything
>extra sturdy carriage for extra ammo or other stuff to drag around
>sturdy looking tires
>extra storage space between the bars
Only thing that is wrong would be the fact that they aren't step through. I still want one.
a4a5e6 No.528990
>>528987
I remember this story of a guy, going full homeless for 2 months in japan (from USA), and he said that his travel was a pain and that getting a bike was totally game changer, because he would simply put his backpack on his bike.
I think that this bike thing is something to dig up. Especially if you plan a SHTF scenario, where there is no gaz to fuel the engines.
901d51 No.528997
>>528987
/k/rautanon discovers the wheel. Fucking glorious.
901d51 No.528998
>>528990
Ik vil een fiets, jij kankerjood
9a4f56 No.529000
>>528987
When you discover the panzer before you discover the wheel
9a4f56 No.529001
>>528998
IK WIL MIJN FIETS TERUG
901d51 No.529003
>>529001
Jij fiets bent in Israel, ik hebt dat betalen moeten or however the fuck you say in Nederlands for reparation payment :D
5e6af5 No.529007
>>528987
Hey I got something that'll blow your mind, its got three wheels.
892226 No.529012
>>529000
>discover the panzer
This makes me think. Who was the first human to utilize armour? I don't mean tanks or armoured vehicles, but who were the first people in the world to wear protective clothing, or use shields? While I admit that it is not really an advanced technology by any standard, it still requires some skill to craft something that is rugged enough to withstand a slash with a stone knife, or protect against a blow with a club.
>>529007
Oh fuck off. It's not like I just discovered the wheel, but the added benefits of a bicycle in mountainous terrain when dismounted. And I have already suggested tricycles/quadcycles up in >>522867 .
>>528997
Especially you, fellow /k/raut.
5e6af5 No.529013
>>529012
No, you just discovered the wheel. This honestly is probably what things were like when the asshole who discovered it way back was like. Yer a /k/aveman
892226 No.529014
>>529013
You think /k/aveman is an insult? I carry that title proudly like a true man.
Now excuse me, I need to prepare for raking my lawn tomorrow. The leafs are getting everywhere.
5e6af5 No.529015
>>529014
Burn em, better for the environment that way.
892226 No.529017
>>529015
>burning leafs
>better for the environment
>releasing more CO2 into the atmosphere instead of composting the leafs and binding it in the soil or other plants I fertilize with them
Canadian mental retardation. A classic.
36254a No.529018
>>525261
just to be clear are we talking about Hong Kong or Heckler & Koch here
892226 No.529019
>>529018
Heckler und Koch has no official ties to China as far as I know.
901d51 No.529022
>>529014
Fuck yeah those fucking leaves are getting everywhere, last time I raked was only a few days ago, next time I look into the garden: LEAVES EVERYWHERE. Fuck leaves. Rake them, mix them with sea weed and compost the shit out of them over the course of winter.
90ba9d No.529023
>>529017
>muh co2
Still believe in global warming myth?
>germany
Oh.
Our plants evolved at 7000ppm CO2, they actually get sick below 2000ppm CO2, and we now have 300. Plant growth today isn't even 1% of what it could be, or what it was at its height.
Oh and by the way, CO2 levels naturally would continue to keep falling because sunlight (UV) binds CO2 into rocks, thus removing it from atmosphere. In another 100 million years or so, life on this planet would become impossible.
Humvees literally saved life on this planet by releasing captured CO2, stop listening to Jews.
90ba9d No.529025
Has anyone considered using belts to drive a bike? Like timing belts from a car?
Chains seem fucking retarded to me on so many levels.
892226 No.529036
>>529023
>the planet will become unable to sustain life because there is too little CO2!
>go pollute your own air even more goy, the microparticles released by combustion engines and coal power plants will not not have any negative effect on your offspring! IGNORE THE CHINESE COAL CITY BABIES!
>go drive a large car, keep buying and burning petrol! Keep Saudi Arabia, the second greatest ally of the US, afloat! Keep Europe dependent on Russian gas and oil!
>waste your money on a vehicle that burns through fuel quicker than a car that requires less and gets you further for less money!
>What if you need to transport a massive piece of furniture one day? You don't want to spend 50 sheckels on a rented truck that one time! Better waste 50 sheckels every month on extra fuel to be prepared for that possibility
>misspelling HMMWV
Get out of here, stalker.
c22b59 No.529037
>>528977
Future of faggotry
04ba52 No.529046
>>529025
Belt drive bicycles are already a thing, yes. You can't use conventional derailleurs as a gear train with them obviously, but internally geared hubs can be used with them.
778048 No.529051
>>522917
>>522924
What about a moped? or an electric bike?
5e6af5 No.529053
>>529017
Hold up, you don't know that ash acts as an odor absorber for compost as well as being a natural source of potassium and a neutralizer of acidic soil? God damn you need a course on basic gardening, yet again most people don't grow their own food.
901d51 No.529056
>>529053
You don't need any odor absorber if you compost over the winter, just saying
90ba9d No.529060
>>529036
Wrong.
>>529046
Oooh that's neat, I've never seen one.
a630bc No.529061
>>529056
I compost all year round myself so it makes it a bit difficult not to need something like ash at times.
6b9611 No.529063
>>522928
>Bicyles tire the user, are horrible for escaping/endurance/speed wise and can't be used in all terrain
pic related
>>523051
Fucking bikes! VROOM VROOM, I gotta go fast, there's a red light I have to get to! Mr. Shekelberg told me to be in to work early today! BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
>>525083
>cheating with secret motors
>tfw muh keirin is still pure thanks to japanese autism
>>525433
Converted to burgerbux, 300 yuros will get you something that sort of rolls but will start breaking down after a few months. Get the right stuff the first time if you want it to last.
>>525384
>less than 200
You aren't getting anything new, go look around at used bikes.
>>528969
muh dick
901d51 No.529066
>>529061
So do I, do you live in a hot climate?
a630bc No.529079
>>529066
Temperate so sometimes it's hot. Annually average temperature is about 52 degrees Fahrenheit of 11.111 Celsius.
6fc5b9 No.529148
i think that if the military secured a contract, the bikes would end up cheaper. theyd have r&d with the research they are already doing on batteries weigh in, and because the military would want several thousand units asap, theyd get cheaper purely because of how many are being manufactured. i would imagine theyd end up with a steel framed four geared bike with one main sprocket, all splined of course, with the 200 mile battery pack already mentioned above. though i cant see a fully loaded bike and bloke getting more than 75-100 miles from it, due to the weight. full chain guard, ideally dust/mud proof. trailer option just for funsies, would allow spare batteries if needed. one guy onnabike could easy carry ammo for an entire 4-man squad. not that they would really need to, this would be almost exclusively used in friendly or controlled territory.
2d6244 No.529171
>>529148
>I* would imagine they'd* end up with a steel framed four geared bike with one main sprocket […] Full* chain guard, ideally dust/mud proof.
I'd go with a toothed belt drive with a fully sealed hub gearbox for maximum reliability, chains collect debris and need lubrication.
1fa399 No.529194
>>529036
Pollution is an issue. But is has nothing to do with CO2.
We fight everything but the real pollutants.
90ba9d No.529211
>>529194
We fight carbon, like a fucking exhale is going to wreck the planet. Meanwhile all our rivers are sterile from companies dumping raw industrial sewage in them because all "environmental" cash is diverted to fucking carbon.
Fifteen years ago I used to fish in Canada.
Ten years ago I spent a full year on the phone trying to get SOMEONE, ANYONE who cared about a "muh green energy" company dumping mercury into my river. Until I realized no one cared, because there was zero money in caring about real pollution, and fortunes to be made in carbon.
Now I sit at home shitposting online and cringing at merkelbot programmed German retards for thinking carbon is the fucking problem, because there's nothing to do outside.
1fa399 No.529218
>>529211
>be most of the west
>rampant asthma because of many airborne pollutants, except C02
>crap tap water with traces of meds, shit, radioactivity, hormones
>terrible plastic containers that fuck up all of your shit
>allergies and shit rampant due to additives in the food and the now admitted chemtrails (they say it's to fight global warming at the UN now, topkek)
>mental issues due to all that, to be treated with more meds
>green energy uses highly pollutant and scarce rare metals, with harmful byproducts, and low efficiency leading to more advanced countries who can produce less polluting fossil and nuclear energy having to import from more polluting less advanced countries (see modern Germany-Poland energy exchanges)
>carbon tax industry controlled by people who fly private jets
1c4e95 No.529221
>>529218
>the now admitted chemtrails
Wait, what?
ebd804 No.529225
>>529221
You forgot the awesome remixes…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kAEoCHANYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8
>ugh ugh serious crap
>BREAK THE CONDITIONING, NAO!
As for the "gay frogs", that part is true, in a sense. There was a study I read that actually did prove that some chemical was turning frogs impotent and 10% or so into females, resulting in a fatal decrease in reproduction.
You can laugh all you want about Alex Jones and his rhetoric is ridiculous, but many of the topics (not points, but topics) do have a true core at the end. That's also the reason I think he's still alive/around: he serves as a COINTEL agitator, since every time something "conspiracy" like is brought up, people can refer to Alex Jones and ridicule the topic.
c22b59 No.529239
>>529218
> (see modern Germany-Poland energy exchanges)
yeah its a shame we buy from these fucks. we got fucked hard by trade unions.
1c4e95 No.529244
>>529225
I know all of that, but I'm interested in chemtrails in particular.
>>529239
I think he means that Germany has to buy power from Poland, because they shut down their nuclear power plants and waste their shekels on "green energy".
ebd804 No.529247
>>529244
Maybe google "UN admits chemtrails" and find that video and stuff, might help you know.
fbc463 No.529251
>>529247
the UN could admit that they rape kids and I would have to sit there and question it.
ebd804 No.529255
>>529251
I haven't researched that claim, nor do I believe what the UN says. I'd be more interested in engineering and military plans of such kind, which do exist for the past 50 or more years now, weather as a weapon, fog as carrier medium for biological warfare, etc.
The NSA was a conspiracy theory in the 90s with everyone denying they'd even exist, today we know they do exist and exercise global surveillance… if such projects are proven reality, I don't move shit like chemtrails into the "implausible" section. Don't get me wrong, many advocates of that idea are idiots, but that doesn't affect the idea as such.
ebf866 No.529290
>>529255
>most conspiracies theories spoken by lunatics are real shit
>but gets overblown out of proportion by lunacy and paranoia, turning off most people out of the topic
Still remember when /g/ was finding out and uncovering about data ming or botnet schemes in comercial products, before the NSA scandal with Snowden.
same must apply to Pizzagate and ((other things))
ebd804 No.529294
>>529290
I wouldn't even say "blown out of proportion". Things probably are even more absurd and megalomaniac than we might imagine as "common folks". I mean the people doing that shit are doing it for a living, without gov or law stopping them. They got the funds and the means to do whatever they come up with and they are specialized in the "weird" shit.
I'd rather say that Alex Jones types are ridiculing matters, feeding misinformation into the topic like that David Icke type. Sitchin wrote on ETs in human history as well, but from a linguist point of view, meanwhile David Icke goes full "transdimensional reptiloids infiltrating satanic bloodlines to feed on human emotions", know what I mean?
90ba9d No.529309
>>529294
There's an old myth that snakes can kill a person just by looking at them. This myth is clearly wrong, but it also saved a lot of lives, because people avoided snakes.
Reptillian invasion might not be true in a factual sense, but it's still beneficial for someone to believe it, because it might as well be true. Our society is being invaded by inhuman soulless reptile-like creatures.
3bd417 No.529416
>>529023
>>529060
>>529194
You guys are fucking morons and the kraut is right. Read a fucking book and read the scientific literature. Stop being such uneducated idiots. This is why people think gun owners are morons.
1d0553 No.529452
>>529309
And this is where I disagree with you. What you call myth is the brain-child of the Greeks, hence the name: mythos. A whole series of ideas come from them, such as logos, psyche and belief. In 300 b.C. the Greeks were in a position of "amnesia" so to speak, they were in cultural development (aka Hellenism), but had forgot about their own and humanity's history. So they began snooping around Egypt, Babylon, Carthage, etc. and exchanged a lot with the scholars and priests of these cultures.
What they heard seemed very phantastic to them and they couldn't explain the constant appearance of super-human, immortal characters that fly through the sky and from world to world through the nether (the "dark below" or "nothingness", we call that shit space nowadays), who supposedly created our planet and the life thereon and ruled here for hundreds of thousands of years before disappearing and leaving us to ourselves. Due to this circumstance, a PART of the Greek people deemed the traditions as "mythos", something imagined, because THEY could not believe it to be true.
https://archive.org/details/ThereWereGiantsUponTheEarthZechariaSitchin
For political reasons, the belief in myth survived. It was reinforced by the Romans who utilized it for political means sometime later, when they subjugated Judea with the New Testament, a work written by Flavius Josephus to make the Hebrews accept the Roman Emperor as heavenly ruler on earth, something they'd otherwise never allow, as they only accept YHWH. For that reasons, neither Jews nor Muslims, both actual servants of YHWH/Allah, accept the NT. In different words, it's a Psy-Op that went out of control, or rather of which the creators misjudged the possible consequences. Nowadays half the world believes this shit and rather sticks with the belief in whatever they are taught instead of reading the sources (something scientists should do, you know).
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-9SJQolWByYI1w0U4
As for the "reptilian invasion", that shit is completely made up by David Icke as far as I can tell. You can read the Sumerian works yourself, you will not find any such thing in there.
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi
cdli.ucla.edu
What he did was basically taking the term of "Nahash", meaning "serpent" and denoting a group/family of people that were responsible for life and genetics, mostly Enki and his followers. They are the creators of life and experts on medicine. Until this very day, the rod of Asclepius and the caduceus are used by medical professions all around the globe. Quite obviously, the caduceus represents the double helix of our DNA, which is denoted in the Sumerian "TI", which is often translated with "rib" (since it took that meaning in Hebrew later on) or "blood", but actually means "requirement for life" = DNA. From the "TI" of Kingu and the "material on earth" Adamu was created. From the "TI" of Adam, Eva was created. No ribs involved.
1d0553 No.529453
But a "talking snake" was involved. This snake was Nahash, the aforementioned creator(s) of life. Adam was their creation and similar to the deluge and Noah/Utnapishtim, they didn't want humanity to perish. The others didn't like humans all that much and deemed them slaves, to be created and exterminated at will, but Enki and his followers helped humanity quite often. For that reason, the "snake" in "paradise", actually Nahash in the garden of E.Din, the house of the righteous ones, told Adamu to acquire knowledge he was not supposed to possess. For that, he was banished down onto earth. The same thing repeated later in the books of Enoch, where Semyaza and his 200 men came down to earth, had children with human wives and taught them things, for which they were accused:
>1. And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth.
>2. And they said one to another: 'The earth made †without inhabitant cries the voice of their crying† up to the gates of heaven.
>3 ⌈⌈And now to you, the holy ones of heaven⌉⌉, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High.".' >4. And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, 〈and God of the ages〉, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages!
>5. Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee.
>6. Thou seest what Azâzêl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn:
>7. And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates.
>8. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins.
>9. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness.
>10. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth.
Lawlessness, taught all unrighteousness, revealed the eternal secrets which were preserved in heaven, which men were striving to learn, revealed to them all kinds of sins - they taught humanity the following:
>[…] and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants.
>1. And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals 〈of the earth〉 and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures.
>2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl, (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, 〈Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun〉, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe011.htm
1d0553 No.529454
So pretty much medieval, primitive technology, yet shocking to those "up above", as it meant an advancement of human civilization at a "fast" pace. We find the exact same thing with the "tower" of Babylon, which in Babylonian was Bab-ilim, the gate of the lofty ones, where humanity built a shem, a rocket to reach "heaven" and live like the aforementioned lofty ones. Then Anu/Marduk/whoever was prominent at the time of writing, came down to earth and destroyed it, confusing their tongues = teaching them different languages and spreading them all over the globe, so they would not try this again. There is plenty of material that suggests this actually happened, similar to the ten lost tribes of Israel. Sumerian accounts as well feature this topic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enmerkar_and_the_Lord_of_Aratta
http://www.biblemysteries.com/library/tribesjapan.htm
https://www.lds.org/topics/joseph-smith/testimony?lang=eng&old=true
(ignore the God & Jesus Christ bullshit, tl;dr is shining guys appear to him, telling him to dig out and translate old metal books that tell of a Jewish tribe that fled to America)
>b-but these a-are myths!
None such concept can be proven before Greeks came up with it. All cultures they came into contact with, notably the Egyptian high priests, insisted on the historical authenticity of their traditions, including Atlantis and other stories. The circumstance that ancient human history often features phantastic and super-human characters and events is simply due to people being amazed by high technology they barely understood at the time, though they were very aware that it was in fact technology.
If you took a smartphone to ancient Japan and showed it to people, how it can record audio and video, play games on it, write text on it, etc. you (or the smartphone) would likely be brought before the Emperor (whose family to this day claims to be direct descendants of Amaterasu) and the device would be declared as "Kami" or "heavenly/holy". That means no more than being super-human, not necessarily super-natural. The Japanese (and every other culture I looked into as well) feature a broad hierarchy of beings in the cosmos, humans being just one step on the ladder. In China, India, Persia, Arabia, Mesopotamia, Africa, Europe, America, etc. there are plenty of descriptions of all those beings "above" us, figuratively and literally speaking. Xian, Deva, Yazata, Ilah/Eloha, Ilu/Elu, Aesir, etc. and the Japanese Kami all denote the same thing:
1d0553 No.529455
>Xian (Chinese: 仙/仚/僊; pinyin: xiān; Wade–Giles: hsien) is a Chinese word for an enlightened person, translatable in English as: "spiritually (Yang Untouchable) immortal; transcendent; super-human; celestial being" (in Daoist philosophy and cosmology); "physically (Yin Touchable) immortal; immortal person; immortalist; saint" (in Daoist religion and pantheon); "alchemist; one who seeks the elixir of life; one who practices longevity techniques" or by extension "(alchemical, dietary, qigong) methods for attaining immortality" (in Chinese alchemy); "wizard; magician; shaman" (in Chinese mythology); "genie; elf, fairy; nymph" (in popular Chinese literature, 仙境 xian jing is "fairyland", faery); "sage living high in the mountains; mountain-man; hermit; recluse" (folk etymology for the character 仙); "immortal (talent); accomplished person; celestial (beauty); marvelous; extraordinary" (metaphorical modifier)
>Deva (Sanskrit: देव, Devá) means "heavenly, divine, anything of excellence" […] Deva is a Sanskrit word found in Vedic literature of 2nd millennium BCE. Monier Williams translates it as "heavenly, divine, terrestrial things of high excellence, exalted, shining ones".
>Yazata is the Avestan language word for a Zoroastrian concept with a wide range of meanings but generally signifying (or used as an epithet of) a divinity. The term literally means "worthy of worship or veneration"
>ʾIlāh is cognate to Northwest Semitic ʾēl and Akkadian ilum. The word is from a Proto-Semitic archaic biliteral ʔ-L meaning "god" (possibly with a wider meaning of "strong")
>"El" (the basis for the extended root ʾlh) is usually derived from a root meaning "to be strong" and/or "to be in front".
>Æsir is the plural of áss, óss "god" (genitive case āsir), which is attested in other Germanic languages, e.g., Old English ōs (gen. pl. ēsa) and Gothic (as reported by Jordanes, who wrote in the 6th century CE) anses "half-gods". These all stem from Proto-Germanic *ansuz, which itself comes from Proto-Indo-European *h₂énsus (gen. h₂nsóus) "life force" (cf. Avestan aŋhū "lord; lifetime", ahura "godhood", Sanskrit ásu "life force", ásura "demons" (< *h₂nsuró)). It is widely accepted that this word is further related to *h₂ens- "to engender" (cf. Hittite hass- "to procreate, give birth", Tocharian B ās- "to produce").
>The wide variety of usage of the word kami can be compared to the Sanskrit Deva and the Hebrew Elohim, which also refer to God, gods, angels, or spirits. […] In his Kojiki-den, Motoori Norinaga gave a definition of kami: "…any being whatsoever which possesses some eminent quality out of the ordinary, and is awe-inspiring, is called kami."
1d0553 No.529456
Given a broad analysis of the ancient literature, there is plenty of reports that these beings were physically present and acting. The Greek/Christian idea of "belief in myths" however does barely hold up, as it does not explain why most of humanity report the exact same things (identical actors, both in quality and quantity, same places, same events (deluge, etc.)) when being physically and temporally apart that much.
Even mainstream historians say that religion as we know it today, didn't exist back then. There was no "belief" in "myths" or similar. I'll have to dig out the book from google, but it reads:
>"This chapter could lead to the misunderstanding that namely the phenomenon of religion could be cleanly isolated from the other structures of the past. The today usual concept of religion as a special area is itself historical and not older than the enlightenment. The idea of a personal religiosity was at first not far spread in antiquity (mystery religions). The unity of a society was expressed first and foremost by celebrating festivals together with certain rites. When clans or larger communities dominated in an area, family cults could become city or state cults. Important was the participation in the ritual (communication with the gods), statements of faith were not asked for."
https://i.imgur.com/XeqLcTd.jpg
>b-but science!
Science does not clash with what I just wrote, since science is a method, not a result. The results that modern western scientists adhere to are the result of work that was done under the impression of a Christian/theistic education, where every cultures traditions were interpreted accordingly so that they mean "gods" and become "myth". Not only do we have cosmological and historical accounts of ancient cultures, we also have works on technology, both phenomenological, as well as explaining, often in the form of Sanskrit Shastras (scientific literature). These are actively being researched at Indian universities as we speak.
79c4c1 No.529458
>>529452
>>529453
>>529454
>>529455
>>529456
>he's still fucking going
>he's still not German
Level with me, fake German. What makes you do this? Is it just threads that you don't like? Is it threads that you don't judge as /k/ related? Threads that in some way threaten your adopted nationality? You're fascinating in the most grim of ways
6fc5b9 No.529459
>>529171
Yeah, typing on my phone, and i was running on about two hours of sleep in 48. Anyway, i think chains would be better, purely as a cost saving measure. You can use a slightly beefier chain, and half the issues disappear. A fully sealed internal hub would launch the cost about 1000 dollars north per unit, and then theres the issue of maintenance. Just putting a dust cover over the chain would deal with most of the rest of the issues. Plus id be worried about cutting the belts.
As for the rest of the thread, can you autistic fuckwits get back on topic or fuck off to another board? Getting tired of seeing you idiots shitting up thread after thread with conspiracies and philosophical bullshit.
1d0553 No.529461
>>529458
>still butthurt
>still not addressing any point made
>still in denial about other people's nationality
Kek, here's your (You)
6fc5b9 No.529462
>>529459
My mistake, its mostly one autistic fuckwit.
1d0553 No.529465
>>529459
>>529462
>boo-hoo people discussing things I don't like
As for the bike, I already told you just build it yourself. The frame must be steel and of pretty solid construction, else all that weight you want to put on the bike will fuck with it. There's a reason the Swiss Army bikes are so heavy. Regular bikes don't cut it, I don't know if touring bikes will survive the loads we're talking about here for long. I'd doubt it.
Making a steel frame from tubes isn't that hard, you can make it to exact specs of your height and customize whatever you want. It will most likely be cheaper than anything you can buy. I do own such a self-made bike and it's great.
6fc5b9 No.529469
>>529465
Its not the fact that i dont like you discussing things i dont like, its about you derailling the thread with your turboautism. Either contribute to the topic, or fuck off. A thread about bicycles in the military, on a weapons board, is not the place to be shitposting about ancient sumerian texts. Unless they have something to do with military bicycles. Polite sage for off topic.
79c4c1 No.529470
>>529461
Come on friend open up, we're all anonymous here. Why do you do this? Where is the fun, the merriment of it? Even trolling elicits some form of bitter joy but you put way too much effort into everything to ever glean any fun out of it. What drives you, fake German? What strange ends do you work towards?
1d0553 No.529472
>>529469
Then don't get triggered little snowflake and just switch back to topic. Isn't that hard.
As for loading the bike, you do have about 5 points where you can attach gear, though I'd advise against using the front of the bike for any heavy loads, it will make it hard to steer. In addition to that, any extra baggage on the bike will make it suck even more to drive in wind from the front or sides. You'll have to decide based on your local weather habits if that is an issue.
Generally speaking, two bags in the back are enough, IIRC they take about 48 liters. On top of that you can lay your bag and fasten it down. I'd not wear the backpack when riding the bike, it exhausts you more and gives more resistant to wind. Everything larger than a small backpack or sling will bring these problems, so just split your pack into "2nd line" and "3rd line" gear, with the 3rd line being transported in the two packs and the backpack, while the 2nd line stuff always remains on your back. If you have to ditch the bike, you still got the most important stuff with you.
>>529470
Triggering you, to full success. And sharing information for those interested. Which you could already have known, if you had read, which you obviously never do. Farewell to you, my "friend".
79c4c1 No.529475
>>529472
>Triggering you, to full success.
But I'm not triggered, I am just curious. I don't give a shit if you kill this thread, I hate bikes. I hate people who like bikes. What I give a shit about is what motivates you to kill this thread, what is your backstory? At first you were constantly screaming about Americans hiding under your bed and now suddenly you love Indians and think the Romans worshiped a weapon from Mars.
1d0553 No.529476
That would look something like this btw. Even without a backpack you can carry everything you need in two convenient packs.
1d0553 No.529478
>>529476
Oh, make sure you have strong tires. A flat will fuck up your life. I did a week long tour with this fuckery, back tire flat like a pancake. These were the old tires still on there, I replaced them with Marathon kevlar tires that are rather expensive, but hold up to much abuse. Buy once, cry once.
The tire pressure must be high enough to withstand the weight and ground features, so you don't loose energy. Even a minimal loss of tire pressure will result in enough compression of the tire that you'll loose notably much energy when driving. A fully pumped up tire is a must have, especially when having loads on your bike.
There's charts for this shit, but they normally end at "regular" weight levels.
6fc5b9 No.529482
>>529472
Alternatively, dont be a faggot and stop derailing in the first place.
Front of bike storage would be for a couple mags and a spare sidearm or something. Nav gear as well. Id say still wear the pack though, if you have to bail real quick, you dont want to leave half your gear behind, or be struggling to unstrap it. Probably not a full sized pack, but certainly more than say, a school backpack. Rifle could probably be slung pointing down on the bottom strut that leads to the sprockets. Easier with folding stock. and yeah, good tires with puncture proofing, and some auto sealing compound in case you run over a board witha nail through it.
1d0553 No.529484
>>529482
You are from Australia, right? So if you got into a firefight, you'd hopefully be wearing body armor already. Riding a bike with that on will make you put your backpack on the back of the bike, believe me. It's so much easier and unless you expect being shot at the very next minute, you're better off having the load in the most efficient place instead of on your back, only slowing you down.
AFAIK everything in the backpack is for camp/supply only, so you'd drop that weight anyways when bullets start flying.
6fc5b9 No.529485
>>529484
I suppose. On a related note, i wonder how much a composite panel that would fit in the frame would weigh? Perhaps a flipdown section so you dont get your leg shot. Could use your bike as soft cover if youre out in the open.
1d0553 No.529487
>>529485
Alternatively to a backpack, you could also utilize this and simply tie the waterproof bags with stuff onto it when dismounting. Or find a way to mount this on the bike itself, with an upward way of taking off the whole assembly at once if mounted on the side, or some way if put on the top of th eback.>>>529484
>>529485
A soft panel wouldn't be a problem, then again you'd not want to lie down under a bike with that much gear attached. Thing becomes quite heavy. You'd have to make sure it doesn't deteriorate from weather, so it's lined properly. It'll also fuck with your wind resistance, the larger the panel, the more wind from the sides pushes you away. I'd say it'll hinder you 99% of the time and help you in 1% when you actually are shot at, lying under your fully loaded bike, kek.
6fc5b9 No.529492
>>529487
Was thinking more kneeling cover tbh. Didnt think about the wind, but lets be honest here, you already have panniers at the back with you pack on top, plus you in full kit, a panel between your legs is likely not going to make much of a difference.
000000 No.529493
>>529465
A lot of people are drawn to /diy/ by promises of cheap and quality results, but in practice you end up overspending on tools and wasting materials and making shitty and ugly garbage, because they lack skills.
I mean, somewhat decent used bike might cost half as much as cheapo Chinese steel welder alone, not counting any other parts and tools you might need.
6fc5b9 No.529494
>>529493
Thats the trick to diy. Never ever buy just for one project. And yeah, a decent used steel frame bike should only set you back less than 100. The oy thing id advise is changing out the sprocket pack for slined ones
1d0553 No.529495
>>529492
It will make a difference, especially since it's the middle of the bike. At the back, more surface will push your "tail" to the side, which can still be countered with simply driving against it. But if you got that much surface, such as a huge ass panel in the middle of the bike, you can't really drive against that. If you only shove your bike, you might want that. If you plan on driving it, that'll be hell. In fact, most of the idea of putting gear on a bike is stupid because it quickly becomes so cumbersome that it's not worth it anymore, at least not effective. If you go on a bike, try to be minimalistic and "ultra-light" if you can. It really makes a difference. Wind doesn't fuck with you that much if you hike, but once you ride on a bike it becomes tough work to drive against the wind or uphill.
It's mostly not even the weight itself, if the tire pressure is right you could handle that. It's the surface area and wind resistance that will make it suck. A lot.
>>529493
A "decent used bike" will not cut it. Manufacturers even advise against using regular bikes for touring, since touring bikes have a steel frame that does not bend or break when put under load, the springs etc. also are not made for that. You will ruin a regular bike if you put more than yourself onto it and drive through somewhat rough terrain.
As for building a bike, that's hardly involve any tools. Go to your local construction market, find a good version of steel pipes and let them cut them to measure for you. Get those end cap things, stick the tubes into them, maybe use some epoxy or screw them in. Add the remaining parts (those specifically "bike" like tires, springs and treads you buy ofc).
It's not that hard. A bike frame is a series of tubes, just like the internet.
6fc5b9 No.529496
1d0553 No.529498
Just found this, Ortlieb actually offers a carrying system for the bike packs
https://www.ortlieb.com/de/Tragesystem%20f%C3%BCr%20Radtaschen/
Wouldn't call it bullet proof, but it's a start. Maybe one can work off that idea.
1d0553 No.529499
>mfw these fags are better organized than 99% of /k/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyBkbSl-MUA
000000 No.529506
>>529495
>some epoxy or screw
Won't this be a weak point defeating the whole purpose of using steel tubes in the first place?
1d0553 No.529508
>>529506
Screw as in Gewinde, dunno the English term. The threading on the outside of the tube you put in and the inside of the tube you have outside. If you use some locktite on that it shouldn't be a weak point.
6fc5b9 No.529511
>>529508
If it aint welded, it aint shit.
1d0553 No.529513
>>529511
I'll have to look at mine, but I don't remember any welds. It's a frame anyways, so all the parts are sticking inside each other so it can't really move once put together. I've put my bike through a lot of abuse and the frame never moved a single bit. Only thing I got fucked up was the protection sheet for the chain and the flimsy metal clamps that hold that shit on the frame.
1fa399 No.529519
>>529244
>>529239
On good weather days for renewable energy, Germany needs to sell their excess energy for very cheap to their neighbors. On bad weather days they have to buy it from their neighbors at increased prices.
000000 No.529522
>>529519
Can't they just invest in more batteries?
90ba9d No.529532
>>529452
Are you retarded? I was talking about snake people being a synonym for Jews, because we can't really say the truth without ending up in prison. And reptilians are a good way to dehumanize them.
>>529416
>gwabu wabu is reeel gimme ur carbon takses
Fuck off.
3bd417 No.529541
>>529532
You are conflating political answers to an observable fact with the fact itself. It's one thing to say you don't like carbon credit schemes. It's another to say that a readily observable fact with mountains of evidence isn't true. Get over it.
c22b59 No.529546
>>529522
you realise what fucking scale we are talking about? its impossible to make it affordable and profitable. dont forget about loses in convertion to different current and that effectivness of capacitors decreeses with age. only semi-possible solution would be using pumped storage power plants, which cant be built everywhere.
also chains>tape. higher avaiablity and can be fixed with a rock.
fb18a2 No.529569
>>529541
Many people cling to their false ideas like flies to shit, it's nothing new under the sun.
But it would be interesting to know whether rising CO² levels are even a problem, both in cause and effect. IIRC the reason simply was the global "seasons" so to speak, we had a cool period and now we get a warmer one, where more ice melts thus -> more CO² in the atmosphere. The oceans will absorb some of it, plants will do the rest.
I'd be far more concerned by the literal continents of plastic garbage swimming in the seas and all the X00.000s of chemicals we introduced into nature that HAVEN'T been around for 4 billion years already. Fuck CO² man, if push comes to shove we just build giant gas cans and freeze that shit out of the atmosphere in some way. Or, you know, stop deforesting the rain forest, our planets lungs. I can't breathe… kek
Back to bikes, I just did a 25km tour and I'll reinforce my earlier point of wind resistance. You want as little weight, but especially as little surface as you possibly can realize. That goes even for clothing. There's a reason people wear these gay ass biker jerseys or whatever they're called. And no, it's not the print of your dick. It's less resistance to the air, which makes you move smoother. Riding with your baggy garden clothing against wind 5 times stronger than the weather report did forecast belongs into the category "suck". I'm not a physics dude, but I think the air resistance increases square with the speed, right? So at faster speeds this becomes even more important, ofc implying you'll ride and not shove your bike.
This "middle" panel idea can brutally fail though, as wind doesn't have to be constant, but can come instantaneously. A sudden blow of wind from the side in difficult terrain/frozen streets and you'll seriously risk some broken bones. Not fun.
I'd go with a very skeletonized load out and tight clothing (with even tighter groups). In fact you might just want to skip the milsim faggotry, save up some money and just walk right into your local bike store and buy your gear there. The probability that you'll encounter some serious conflict on your bike is… low, very low and even if it comes to that I'll bet anything that everyone involved in such a conflict will like you better when you're just a regular dude riding his bike than some camouflaged autists that might have committed god knows what crimes.
I mean don't get me wrong, I understand the appeal milsurp has, but that's only to enthusiasts. Out there people have their own prejudices and if SHTF you will want people to trust and like you as quickly as possible. If your area has lots of "rednecks" and that means wearing camo, go with it. But there's many areas where it's not the norm and there you'd shoot yourself in the leg running around in such apparel when some emergency breaks loose. Just my 2 Euroshekelcents, you know.
>pic related
aa6d33 No.529570
>>529522
Currently gravity/hydro is the best solution for grid storage. In energy surplus, water is pumped uphill into a reservoir. In energy deficit, that water running downhill spins a turbine.
90ba9d No.529572
>>529541
The only "fact" is that the climate doesn't remain constant. Nothing else surrounding the global warming myth is true, and don't try to wave away the alarmism at the core of the fucking thing.
It's not steadily warming. It's not warming due to CO2. It's not being noticably affected by humans. It's completely natural. There's nothing we can do to stop it.
fb18a2 No.529573
>>529572
But you can make money with it, demand licensing for CO² emissions :^) I remember back a decade everyone on TV was all about CO². They even did this nationwide event where everyone was supposed to shut out the light for an hour to combat CO², fucking kek
We do have a massive emission of toxic and greenhouse gases, such as methane, which is mostly produced by the cattle industry, which is many million times more than what historically was the case. It's similar to London a few centuries back when coal was used so much people got sick and you couldn't see shit anymore.
c22b59 No.529583
>>529570
thats exactly what i said. and it can be only built if there are
a) two bodies of water near each other separated by as big height as possible
b) option to create such artificiall containers
and thats limited as fuck
3001f0 No.529594
>>529569
You are thinking of orbital forcing due to the Milankovitch cycle. That doesn't change in 50 years just like that. It's funny you bring that up, because orbital forcing helped release more co2 which eventually thawed snowball earth. Climate is not just due to co2, or just orbital forcing, or just insolation. It's a combination of the three, and the only one really changing in the last 100 years or so is co2. It's heat-trapping properties have been known for more than 100 years as well as the then hypothesis that it could lead to global warming and anthropogenic climate change.
90ba9d No.529624
>Climate is not just due to co2, or just orbital forcing, or just insolation. It's a combination of the three
Lol what a lying fuck, he's trying to make it seem like there are three causes for gwabu wabu and CO2 is one of these three all important causes. CO2 is the least important gas for greenhouse, it's less important than humidity or just water in air.
Look at this graph. CO2 started very high, and then it progressively decreased. Temperature didn't do that, only an insane man would say there's any correlation between the two. Meanwhile temperature stays relatively stable with four historic dips (we're in a dip).
Current average global temp is 6C, we've been increasing since the little ice age and will continue until global average is about 20-25C. No koolaid drinking ceremony this fool wants to convince you into will change that.
>the only one really changing in the last 100 years or so is co2
Is that why every other planet in the solar system is undergoing a global warming and why ice caps on Mars are melting, you giant piece of shit douchebag faggot quad-nigger ass. Even bodies without any atmospheres are heating, like Pluto, meaning there's zero atmospheric cause for the recent warming on Earth.
6b9611 No.529637
>>529506
>>529511
Before welding was common, frames would be constructed with lugs or glued tubing and it worked fine. However, that's when constructed by an actual bikebuilder, not some autistic german turk. Also Colombus tubing > whatever hardware store tubes he bought.
>>529519
This is incredibly stupid.
9fd308 No.529661
>>525047
>Just lie on the ground and 30mm rounds can't hurt you
Canadians, everybody.
317898 No.529670
Here is how I would build a army bike for regular troops:
>steel frame
Can be repaired with any type of welder if damaged, but is like 0,5 kg more heavy.
>rigid fork and chainstays
It has to be relieable and and good for longer rides, not a trail maschine
>belt drive
lasts longer, deals better with mud, sand and dirt
>internal gear hub like Rohloff speedhub
lasts forever and requires little to no maintainance for years
>horizontaly top tube
great way to attatch a rifle, lighter construction than step through and much stronger/stiffer as well
spece between tubes can be used for storage
>tubeless tires with sealant
no pinchflats and seals nails and other shit itself
>mechanical rim brakes
can be adjusted with crude tools
>flat handlebars
no complex brifters required and good for long tours at medicore speed and bad terrain
>front and rear panniers
allows to carry a shitload of stuf
>rear rack
allows to carry heavy stuff
>front rack
allows to carry stuff you can grab verry fast, like a pistol or grenades
It wouldn´t be verry light or verry fast compared to a road bike, but verry relieable and could carry basicly anything
317898 No.529672
For recon units the bike would need to be much faster, but may carry less.
>cyclocross
About as fast as a roadbike, but can ride it where ever you want.
>1x12 drivetrain
more efficient and lighter than beltdrive with IGH
>drop style handlebars
They reduce aerodynamic drag at high speed and make the bike more narrow, allowing for sprints over 60 km/h
>mechanical disc brakes
they don´t sqeak and handle dirt better
>clipless pedals
they help with peak power and jumps a lot
>tubeless with sealant
no pinchflats and seals nails and other shit itself, also more lightweight
I would suggest a front mount between the drops for a pistol and 1-2 grenades and maybe a collapseable rifle under the top tube
317898 No.529676
For paratroopers it would have to be verry compact, so a folding bike would be the way to go.
Since it also has to survive harsh conditions and impacts, I would suggest steel for it.
It would require foldable panniers as well, the rifle could be mounted to the chainstays and rear rack.
Maschine gun units can´t carry their gun on the top tube, it would be to bulky.
They could utilise something like a long wheelbase cargobike and carry the gun and barrels on the long rear rack.
Except for that it could be build like the regular one.
000000 No.529697
>>529546
Anything's better than selling that energy for pennies.
Don't like Li-ion? Spinning wheels. Breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen.
Pressure tanks. Overclocking data centers to mine dogecoins.
Anything.
>>529583
IIRC there's only one place on Earth where it is economically possible to build.
000000 No.529698
>>529676
>folding
>survive harsh conditions and impacts
Admittedly I only used cheap shitty folders, but the hinge was never able to deal with any kind of abuse.
317898 No.529732
>>529698
You can build it strong enough to deal with the abuse when you make the hinge out ouf CNC maschined steel.
fb18a2 No.529735
>>529732
It doesn't even have to be a folder. You can use ones that stick into each other with a gear toothed like end and a screw over cap.
317898 No.529736
>>529735
That could work as well, but it is the same principle.
fb18a2 No.529739
317898 No.529741
>>529739
Nice for traveling, but takes way to long to assemble.
A folder can be folded/unfolded way faster.
fb18a2 No.529742
>>529741
>For paratroopers it would have to be verry compact, so a folding bike would be the way to go.
I'd rather have two separate parts that fall to the ground on a parachute than have two loosely connected ones that are held together by a folding hinge.
If you're familiar with paratroopers, you'll know that once they get to the ground, they'll have to get out of their parachute and wrap it up, unless they're in direct combat. So they'll have the time to stick together two bike halves and screw the cap over it.
317898 No.529743
>>529742
>loosely connected ones that are held together by a folding hinge
A proper CNC maschined steel kinge is everything but a loose conection.
Also you don´t have to conect and adjust brake/shifter cables in a folder and can´t loose half the bike.
fb18a2 No.529745
>>529743
Irrelevant, you can line those and have a flexible connection so the halves can't fall apart. Heck, they drop fucking vehicles out of planes with parachutes, they'll manage a bike.
317898 No.529748
>>529745
>have a flexible connection so the halves can't fall apart
Like a hinge?
000000 No.529749
>>529743
>>529732
I don't think there's any benefit to CNC machining over, i dunno, simple casting.
317898 No.529751
>>529749
>I don't think there's any benefit to CNC machining over, i dunno, simple casting.
Not only are CNC mschined parts way more precise, they are also stronger pic related..
fb18a2 No.529752
>>529748
A hinge is hardly flexible, it moves only in two directions. I mean more like a flexible cable tube or something, like a tendon. Works in the body, you know.
317898 No.529753
>>529752
Why make it more complex than nessesary?
fb18a2 No.529754
>>529753
So it works. A hinge is only sturdy when folded out, if folded together and impacting the ground it might break. A looser connection that is flexible with the two halves of the bike hitting the ground might survive better, then putting it together as shown above.
317898 No.529756
>>529754
> folded together and impacting the ground it might break.
The stability of the hinge is more than sufficient to survive a impact, if build properly.
If you design it properly, it may even be stronger than the frame itself…
c22b59 No.529759
>>529753
because pic related
fb18a2 No.529760
>>529756
You live in fietsland, please build both versions (even if it's just a dummy for the connections), go to Venlo airfield and drop them a hundred times each with a parachute. I'll bet you hard cash a flexible connection between separate parts will survive better than a steel hinge that takes the hit every time.
317898 No.529761
>>529760
The open tubes of your frame (disconected top- and downtube) will bend pretty fast while a proper steel hinge will survive that with no issues.
7a3f7d No.529762
>>529601
I can tell you haven't read a single scientific paper on the subject. Protip: Year 0 in climate science is 1950.
Fuck, your second graph is 95 BP, that's way before warming was ever detected. Of course it's not going to feature warming, dipshit. I recommend you actually go and read a book on the subject instead of looking at blogs.
>>529624
>Lol what a lying fuck, he's trying to make it seem like there are three causes for gwabu wabu and CO2 is one of these three all important causes. CO2 is the least important gas for greenhouse, it's less important than humidity or just water in air.
Define "important". That's not a term ever listed in the scientific literature. If you're saying that vapor and methane are stronger heat traps, then you'd be correct, but that wouldn't change anything as this is accounted for and is what we're presently worried about. It's called positive feedback.
>Look at this graph. CO2 started very high, and then it progressively decreased. Temperature didn't do that, only an insane man would say there's any correlation between the two. Meanwhile temperature stays relatively stable with four historic dips (we're in a dip).
Because you're equivocating and thinking that CO2 is the only cause. And I just told you it's not, but you dismissed this by spelling global warming in a silly manner, presumably to announce how uneducated you are.
>Current average global temp is 6C
No, it's not. In fact, the 20th century global temps were 13.7 C. 6C is only just slightly above freezing. Where are you getting your data? Off a blog perhaps?
>we've been increasing since the little ice age and will continue until global average is about 20-25C. No koolaid drinking ceremony this fool wants to convince you into will change that.
Except most of the warming has taken place in the last 50 or so years, and it's not due to insolation or orbital forcing, so guess what that leaves us with?
>Is that why every other planet in the solar system is undergoing a global warming
They're not, especially because solar irradiance has been lower recently. Any changes are most likely seasonal, and you haven't read any of the scientific literature. This, of course, raises the question. Since solar irradiance has gone down, why is the Earth heating up? It isn't orbital forcing. What could it possibly be?
Bottom line is that you need to read a book and get out of your ideology. It's making you look stupid in front of people who actually know about what you think you know you're talking about.
fb18a2 No.529763
>>529761
Don't talk theory with me, just do it. I see you want to argue online, but I'm not going for that. Just apply empiricism here.
1fa399 No.529772
>>529762
>Protip: Year 0 in climate science is 1950
That is what you claim. I doubt it, but you are free to change my mind.
Anyway, what you are implying is:
>C02 emissions only started after 1950
Think about what you are saying.
2d6244 No.529776
>>529751
It takes a special kind of retard to draw those conclusions from that picture
2d6244 No.529777
7a3f7d No.529781
>>529772
>That is what you claim. I doubt it, but you are free to change my mind.
Well, you can look it up. It's pretty common knowledge, not some esoteric thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
>Anyway, what you are implying is:
>C02 emissions only started after 1950
Not at all. Only that the changes accumulated enough so that in retrospect, we could start to see the beginnings of climate change around that era. Global warming really picks up in the mid 60's through early 70s. By the year 2000, it was pretty undeniable, and if you still think it isn't happening now, you're simply uninformed or heavily reliant or ideology. Again, you do not have to like the proposed solutions for global warming. That doesn't mean it isn't happening. Global warming isn't a new theory either way. The idea has been around for more than 100 years. Of course, when it was proposed, we didn't have the level of industrialization we do now.
fb18a2 No.529783
>>529781
>wikipedia
Oh man bro, you just did so well with scientific literature and saying you knew about it… why didn't you just mention some researchers papers you have read… why wikipedia? Huge letdown…
1fa399 No.529784
>>529781
When I have more time I will get back to you. I'm interested in taking this further, just a bit short on spare time.
fb18a2 No.529787
>>529781
>Because the "present" time changes, standard practice is to use 1 January 1950 as the commencement date of the age scale, reflecting the fact that radiocarbon dating became practical in the 1950s. The abbreviation "BP", with the same meaning, has also been interpreted[1] as "Before Physics"; that is, before nuclear weapons testing artificially altered the proportion of the carbon isotopes in the atmosphere, making dating after that time likely to be unreliable.
Exactly. Not just that, but also natural radiation bears that risk. As well as contamination with such. It's further unreliable since fossils are judged by layer and layers by fossils, it's not a soldiers gun, eh. Plus you got pressure and heat from planetary catastrophes that make materials age, making them appear much older than they factually are. So fuck C14 for accurate estimation without any other method to examine further.
000000 No.529788
>>529783
I never understood this "Wikipedia is bad" meme.
Just scroll down, nigga, there refs are all there.
fb18a2 No.529789
>>529788
It's not a meme, it's a matter of fact that every ass can write and edit there and there is little transparency as to who wrote of said what. Scientific work is based on the principle that the source of an information is always disclosed, but Wikipedia hardly always practices that. You can write whatever you want, if you're lucky you get a [citation needed] remark and the curators for a topic can change edits and information however they want.
7a3f7d No.529794
>>529784
That's good. Reading science takes time, and it's the chief reason why more people don't know about it. You're taking the initiative, and this is a good thing.
7a3f7d No.529796
>>529789
>>529783
Wikipedia is a good source for things that are considered "common knowledge". If it's on wikipedia, at the very least the concept exists, and the citations means you can read further. The problem with wikipedia is that it's like every other encyclopedia, and thus a tertiary source. For historical narratives and such, it can be quite bad, but for basic things like concepts in science, or mathematics, you can be sure that it's reasonably accurate and isn't likely to mislead you.
e488e6 No.529798
>>525433
get a giant hook on a rope and tug it through the city canals near a bar
7a3f7d No.529801
>>529798
I have heard about you Netherlanders throwing bikes in bodies of water. Why is this?
317898 No.529803
>>529801
>Netherlanders throwing bikes in bodies of water
Who told you that?
7a3f7d No.529804
>>529803
An Englishman. He said you people throw bikes in there all the time and the authorities don't know what to do about it.
fb18a2 No.529805
>>529796
>Wikipedia is a good source
No and that statement is proof you never worked in any scientific field. A source is the origin of an information, everything coming after that is considered to be secondary literature, or even less (such as bad journalists that refer to books on topics that then cite the letters or historical documents on it), as you said yourself.
Wikipedia is a website that allows everyone without personal signature to write and edit however he likes and is sanctioned by the admins. Also, it does not always mention the source for a claim. It's true that some pages are better researched than others, but it rarely ever qualifies as scientific writing. If you had worked in such a field, you'd know what would happen to someone citing Wikipedia as a source.
And even with topics in physics they get things wrong, however I am not a physicist, so I can't speak on that, but I know some who commented on that. Especially when it comes to the newest results, Wikipedia lags behind. It also is subject to censorship. The German and English articles often differ immensely and where it said "deep blue eyes" for the Gautama Buddha in the English version, the German spoke of "deep black eyes", while citing the same source!
Since you can't reliably tell who wrote what on Wikipedia or where he got it from, it'll never qualify as a source.
>>525433
>>525482
Don't thousands of bikes in your country get stolen each day? I heard you get pissed about it much more, since you use them more. Not telling you to buy something stolen, but given that market situation, buying a bike from someone shouldn't be expensive, should it?
7a3f7d No.529806
>>529805
>No and that statement is proof you never worked in any scientific field.
I said it's a good source to learn common knowledge. I wouldn't source a paper from it, and I told you already that the problem is that it's a tertiary source. You keep misrepresenting what I've said, and this is proof that you're a disingenuous twat.
fb18a2 No.529808
>>529806
You call Wikipedia a source. It's not. Not even tertiary. These still would have an author and title, as well as a clear cut format, where you can see start and ending of it (such as a book, an article, etc.).
Wikipedia is a compilation of hundreds of unnamed authors, with no clear sign of who wrote what or where it comes from. It's not even a source.
c22b59 No.529816
>>529697
>Li-ion?
impossible to implementbecause of scale.
>spinning wheels
incredibly limited amount of energy stored
> Breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen
inredibly wastefull and loses are too big. recovering stored energy takes too much time
>Pressure tanks
i have no idea how you would want to implement that
>Overclocking data centers to mine dogecoins
death by inflation
>IIRC there's only one place on Earth where it is economically possible to build.
Poland alone has 7
000000 No.529817
>>529789
It's actually easier to delete text from Wikipedia than write things there.
At least if this tl;dr is to be believed:
http://www.gwern.net/In-Defense-Of-Inclusionism
90ba9d No.529818
>>529762
>you'd be correct, but that wouldn't change anything as this is accounted for
>solar irradiance has been lower recently
Lie.
A gwabu wabu "scientist" found a dip in IRRADIANCE from 1960 to 1990, which is back when global cooling was the fashionable apocalypse, but irradiance is a measure of how much of the suns rays hits the fucking ground and it's completely BTFO by recent increase in cloud cover. The trend in actual suns heat has been increasing for centuries. In fact it continually increases, and will continue to do so until it blooms into a red giant.
>most of the warming has taken place in the last 50 or so years
lie, pic related
> not due to insolation or orbital forcing
Hahahaha you just can't stop lying.
90ba9d No.529820
Even moon is warming, must be a lot of SUVs there.
http://news.mit.edu/2002/pluto
Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.
https://www.space.com/17828-mars-weather-curiosity-rover-discovery.html
http://news.mit.edu/2002/pluto
Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.
https://www.space.com/17828-mars-weather-curiosity-rover-discovery.html
90ba9d No.529821
>>529781
<Only that the changes accumulated enough so that in retrospect
lool we could have an ice age right now and this nigger would say "the changes are just accumulating for 10k years from now!"
How about this, my money is just accumulating and I swear I'll pay my carbon tax 500 million years from now.
aeb00d No.529825
>>529818
>>most of the warming has taken place in the last 50 or so years
>lie, pic related
>pic related shows that the steepest warming in the last millennium has occurred within the last 200 years and that despite the fact we are supposed to be in an ice age right now we are seeing a spike in average temperature that shouldn't be happening
>The trend in actual suns heat has been increasing for centuries. In fact it continually increases, and will continue to do so until it blooms into a red giant.
Except this is false, stars get cooler as they fall off the main sequence and become red giants. Please keep leafposting. Your unscientific mind is very entertaining.
90ba9d No.529843
>>529825
>50 years is equal to 200
>slope smaller than past slopes is a cause for emergency
>we're exiting an ice age and that means warming is unusual!
kys
edb2a0 No.529927
>>529843
It's autumn and today is one of the days where I'll go into the garden, get out a nice old rusty rake and get all those damn leaves. I'll specifically look out for you.
e488e6 No.530250
>>529225
>>529454
>>529453
>Esoteric discussion in a thread about bicycles
Never change, /k/
e488e6 No.530253
>>529801
Drunk people tend to enjoy doing it
0a7588 No.530255
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>530250
>Esoteric
Vid related.
>>530253
Yep, not just in the NL, here too
90ba9d No.530269
>>529927
>plants need 2000+ppm of co2 to thrive
>"hurrr we need to lower carbon and starve plants out"
Now it all becomes clear, you're fucking leafphobic.
0a7588 No.530275
>>530269
Germans being against gas? I think you got something wrong there, mate.
a5e54f No.530468
>>529751
That's just wrong on so many levels.
The crystal structure of a part depends on how the raw part is produced, or rather cooled.
You see, when you have a large puddle of liquid metal and you cool it down to the point where it will begin to solidify, small crystals will begin to form on the surface. These will not be connected and have their structure point in different directions.
These small crystals will grow and eventually the entire puddle will be solid. However, the surfaces where the crystal structures touch will be weakpoints.
By cooling the metal more slowly, there will be fewer crystals that form and thus fewer touching surfaces.
Depending on how fast you cool the part after casting the crystal structure will align, but using shit quality metals in your CNC machine will yield a shit product.
It literally depends on the case. Cast can be just as strong as machined parts, and machined parts can be just as shit as cast parts.
ab6d41 No.530471
>>530468
>implying the quality of the material isn't totally defined by the way you work on it
bidde ferlass uns
6ca0cb No.530481
Could mountain troops get away with not using any pack animals if they had bicycles?
ab6d41 No.530484
>>530481
Prob not. Mules not only do all the lifting on their own, but are also more able on the terrain, less prone to slipping, etc. Plus they malfunction less. Bikes can fail, still need to be pushed by someone and can slip easily, especially when wet and slippery conditions are present. Also, a mule has a will to survive, so it will prevent itself from falling to its death, while a bike doesn't give a shit and will just fall or roll down a slope if someone isn't paying attention.
a5e54f No.530500
>>530471
Nager bitte!
The quality of any metal is based on the way you cool it. If you use shit steel in a CNC machine the result will be shit. A slowly cooled cast parts can be even stronger than machined ones.
The quality of the meta literally depends on how you work on it. If you shock freeze any cast part it will be shit. If you use shit metal in a CNNC machine it won' magically turn into good material.
d3d537 No.530562
>>530500
Yes it will. Also, diamond is the hardest of all metals.
036955 No.530964
>>530468
Your post triggered my autism.
In the case of cast steel, large grains form when the metal is allowed to cool slowly from a liquid state, resulting in a shitty brittle part. Quickly cooling the metal from a liquid state to solid state restricts grain growth, allowing for a more ductile part.
After the phase change, the atomic structure of steel is still quite fluid. At this point, the part is slowly cooled to allow the carbon atoms in the structure to diffuse out of the crystal lattice, which keeps the steel from forming martensite (steel doesn't harden).
Most non-ferritic metals harden by cooling slowly, which means that they need to be cooled well past solidification as quickly as possible to keep them ductile.
443377 No.530981
>>530562
Diamond is the hardest of all the elements in your body