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51e759 No.514613
Is there a place for revolvers in the modern battlefield?
ca96c3 No.514615
>>514613
Only if you have an attachment that makes them louder, since if you make it louder it will become deadlier.
dc004b No.514621
As a sidearm I don't really see any reason to have one over a generic service semi-auto. Even in a scenario where you would want a much more powerful sidearm than normal, groups like the Danish Sirius Patrol use 10mm autoloaders.
Though the russians do have that ridiculous 12.7mm revolver, so if it's actually issued I imagine they've found some niche where it's useful.
34bee8 No.514623
>>514621
please tell me there's a place i can buy this
dc004b No.514635
>>514623
Russia.
Between the Sporting Purpose bullshit and sanctions, import never ever
82a8ce No.514648
>>514613
Depends the revolver.
6ca2c8 No.514666
Logistically, not really.
68154a No.514667
Maybe behind enemy lines.
>>514648
>Manurhin MR73
best revolver ever made tbh fam
1d449d No.514670
>>514635
I thought handguns were fine to be imported whenever, so it would just be the sanctions and that agreement bush made with the rooskies that would fuck it up
232e13 No.514673
3f39ea No.514677
>>514621
>Russia builds a shotgun based on a cut down 20mm AA cannon.
>Possibly issuing 12.7mm revolvers.
…
Are the Russians fighting Dinosaurs or something?
dc004b No.514680
>>514677
Russia is a magical place. They build these off the wall specific purpose guns on low budgets and manage to get them to the units that can actually use them without trying to go through an inter-service boondoggle and make them standard issue.
430f52 No.514681
>>514677
Nah, just a engineering pastime of making fuckhuge stuff. Hell any of us would do the same.
09f6a2 No.514686
>>514677
>shotgun based on a cut down 20mm AA cannon
I desire more information.
1fc1db No.514687
74fe0b No.514691
>>514686
Search for the KS-23.
Story goes a bunch of barrels for AA guns got rejected and in true slav fashion some one decided that it could be recycled. So if the barrels are not good for launching crap at high speeds at a target very far away then it can still launch crap at high speeds at targets very close to you and you wouldn't need to worry about bad rifling, a fucked up crown, or having a chamber strong enough because low pressure shotgun propellant and multiple projectiles. And keeping the traditions of gulags alive this gun gets used mainly by prison guards even today.
This isn't the first time something like this has happened (sub machine guns using beat to death mosin barrels) but it is the first time someone wasn't satisfied with 10 gauge or wanted a punt gun that could be fired unassisted funny thing is apparently some russians looked at it and still fell for the pistol grip only meme
82a8ce No.514703
>>514691
>pistol grip only
Nah the KS-23M have a short barrel and removable skeleton stock for transport (because the original is fuck huge), it's not intended to be use that way.
It's in fact not really intended to shot at people (it can obviously, because why the fuck not), it's a grenade launcher (tear gas)/anti door/anti vehicle gun.
Oh and the KS-23K is the bullpup magazine version…
6 gauge. Bullpup. Magazine. Pump Action. AP slugs. It's for T-rex hunting.
Also did you know it can be used to fire grappling hooks…
9c8f97 No.514707
>>514613
Considering the "modern battlefield" is littered with everything from drones bought off of amazon to tanks built almost 100 years ago to the day, why not?
a5a85f No.514709
>>514691
>used by prison guards
>vassili and boban start fight in gulag yard over whether the original bljat made SKS is better than Yugo variants
>evolves into a riot
>guards bust out the 4 gauge rubber bullets
>but it's not a rubber bullet at this point
>it's basically the head of a rubber mallet with propellant behind it
>boban takes one to the gut
>before bleeding out in the gulag snow, a part of him fulfills his wish of dying in home Serbia
dc004b No.514710
>>514703
I can imagine a defense contractor salivating at the thought of making a special 40mm launcher that the ammo is 5 times the price of standard 40mm and does all the jobs half as well, but the Russians? Fuck this, just make a bigger shotgun comrade.
21b3be No.514711
>>514623
You can likely get their 12 gauge revolver, if you buy a civvie version shotgun then shorten it. Their special forces OMON uses it for CQC.
Russia is what it would look like if rednecks had a state.
1fc1db No.514716
>>514711
>Russia is what it would look like if rednecks had a state.
Its more like you have a crazy idea for a gun and a design bureau picks you up and teaches you the basics of firearm design of what works/doesn't work then leaves you to your own to design them whatever you could ever come up with. Whereas in the west good fucking luck getting any sort of design work with any of the big companies and god forbid you do your own thing and have set back after set back like in recent times the HMG StG.
Russia is weird like that.
427e69 No.514725
I certainly think so. Many special-purpose military units have used them in modern times; the French GIGN still uses them, and Navy SEALs have reportedly used them as recently as the early 2000s for marine missions (where corrosion-resistance is super important.)
The fact is, the revolver is immune to several of the most common malfunctions of a semi-automatic pistol. The reduced capacity is certainly a trade-off, but then again many military/police units choose to carry low-capacity 1911s or similar anyway because I LUV MY 45 BECAUSE ITS A PROVEN ROUND. Of course, .357 magnum or greater blows the .45 out of the water, and 10mm is clearly the best choice for a semi-auto if 9mm doesn't cut it for you.
But I digress. My answer is yes.
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427e69 No.514730
>>514725
That's not to say, of course, that revolvers are inherently BETTER than semi-autos or immune to all failures. I have several semi-autos, even cheap ones, with many thousands of rounds through them and not a single hiccup.
I do believe that a good revolver in .357 mag or higher is a better choice than a single-stack full-size 1911, and that a snub-nosed .38/.357 is better than a single-stack compact semi-auto in .380/9mm. Outside of those applications the capacity issue is a huge limiting factor, but even in such applications revolvers need not be dismissed without careful consideration.
bb09a2 No.514732
>>514677
even worse, they're fighting skinwalkers.
dc004b No.514741
>>514730
>I do believe that a good revolver in .357 mag or higher is a better choice than a single-stack full-size 1911, and that a snub-nosed .38/.357 is better than a single-stack compact semi-auto in .380/9mm.
I would certainly argue that point, especially on the snubnose side. In comparison to an LCR/J-Frame a 6+1/7+1 subcompact 9mm can be smaller, is slimmer, can be much more easily reloaded and out of that short a barrel proper 9mm loadings will match or beat .38 special +P loadings. The only possible advantages to a revolver would be the classic shooting from inside a coat pocket (Which is negated without a shrouded/internal hammer anyway) or flashbanging yourself with the dubiously better performance of .357 magnum out of a nothing length barrel.
278af8 No.514751
>>514635
>Germany lost to this
fdb12a No.514752
>>514751
germany lost to the combined might of every other european nation on the planet, two f which had international empires at the beginning of the war
427e69 No.514761
>>514741
I'm well aware that 9mm loads can nudge their way into .357 mag territory, but that one example from Speer isn't representative of ALL ammo. DoubleTap has a 110 grain .357 mag load that outperforms both of those Speer loads from a 1-7/8" barrel in a test of a REAL gun. Buffalo Bore has numerous 357 mag loads that perform similarly well, and all their short-barrel ammo in .357 outperforms their 9mm short-barrel ammo. It all depends on how far the manufacturer is willing to push either cartridge and how easy they want it to be to shoot.
I'd argue that "flashbanging yourself" for a few extra ft-lbs is worth it considering we're talking about your last-ditch, you-let-the-bad-guy-get-too-close concealed weapon. And on the topic of it being your last-ditch/emergency firearm, I'd also argue that the reliability (and capability of executing multiple body-contact shots) offered by a revolver is more important than the additional round you might get from a semi-auto.
There are a lot of different ways to slice it.
758009 No.514772
>>514670
Handguns with a bore over .5" in width are considered destructive devices and can't be imported. That's why we don't have the Taurus 28 gauge revolver here.
82a8ce No.514799
>>514725
Show me a gun that can reliably make 1 inch groups with HP at 50m with a cartridge powerful enough to ensure certain stopping power with one hit.
And that isn't a .357 revolver.
645487 No.514804
>>514707
Are you talking about the Renault FT? Has one recently been seen in use in one of these bullshit sandbox wars? I can't seem to find anything on it but I'd love to know if some backyard mechanic managed to get a museum piece/pile of scrap iron into the fight nearly 100 years after the design was first introduced.
427e69 No.514816
>>514799
A .308 rifle. Maybe an intermediate (.223) rifle if you were a bit lax on the "certain stopping power" part.
Truly consistent 1" groups at 50m are NOT happening for me with any handgun, and I don't think I'm alone there. I do tend to get my best accuracy with .38spl +P, .357 mag, and sometimes .41 mag on the revolver end, and .40 S&W and 10mm on the pistol end.
427e69 No.514818
>>514816
Oh wait, you were looking for the answer "a 1911," right? Maybe, but there are much more practical options for my money.
3f39ea No.514820
>>514681
>>514680
It's just that at this point I wouldn't be surprised to hear that their special forces are being issued shoulder fired 150mm howitzers.
The goddamn slavs would find a way to make that work as well.
82a8ce No.514823
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>>514816
Average shooter with a MR73 at 25m, double action, fairly fast firing, (bull-eye is under 1 inch, 8 area under 3 I think).
The Gign had (has?) a special version of that same revolver with a bipod and a scope…
Because you can't bring a .308 in CQC, double if you have to worry about collateral damage.
During the 1994 airplane raid, one GIGN operator dropped 2 guys with AKs with his revolver, severely injured a third (and got shot by a fourth he couldn't see from his position).
Because he went in and did Miculek style pop pop pop on the three targets and the three dropped dead.
Meanwhile when the GSG did basically the same years before in Somalia, but with 9mm SMGs, they left 1 terrorist with "lol 9mm" injuries which promptly returned fire…
82a8ce No.514825
>>514818
>Oh wait, you were looking for the answer "a 1911," right?
1911 are notoriously bad at feeding HP.
No maybe, maybe, the MK23 can, which a "sentry killing", computer assist designed, purpose built gun.
But if not, a .357 revolver is pretty much the only thing that exist and does all that.
So yeah it has a place, as an expert gun doing expert things.
427e69 No.514828
>>514823
>>514825
Totally agreed. The .357 mag cartridge and platform is certainly one of the best from a shooter's perspective. If you gave me a choice between all my handguns and said "there's a bad guy 50m away that you have to kill" I'd reach for my 6" Smith 686. While I couldn't do 1" groups, especially under pressure, I could certainly put multiple hits center-mass pretty quickly.
In a real-life battlefield, I wouldn't be so quick to grab a revolver though. I'd have to put a lot more thought into it depending on the specific circumstances.
9c8f97 No.514867
>>514804
I've heard about at least 2-3 of them being seen functioning in some form or another out in the middle east.
But to be fair that was at least 5 years ago.
I think a lot of them were "recovered" and are collecting dust in museums. (though there are a couple refurbished ones still functioning)
It makes sense what with all the fancy cold war russian shit being sent to isis by our Turkroach allies.
I would still bet my bottom dollar that someone has been killed by a Renault tank within the last 10 years.
And for some reason that makes me smile.
Hell I would trust my life in one of those more than inside some Syrian rebel scrap metal construct.
9fae1b No.514870
It would be the same as a semi-auto pistol, as in by all stories never used, so why not?
6ca2c8 No.514921
>>514732
>russian equivalent of skinwalker requires 4 gauge to kill
40f42a No.514980
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>>514867
>>514804
I've seen a T-34 and Su-100 being used in Yemen (as really used with the main gun and everything, not like in the Ukrainian rebellion as armored roadblock/pillbox).
T-34 VS M1A2S, the guys using the T-34 are winning (well not wining, but they're not losing either)…
7e32fc No.515040
>>514921
And possible aliens could be added ? Remember that event were scientists got killed when they went to a "cursed" mountainous area, died of a combination of radiation+aging+being smash with the force of a car+mutilated.
7a2075 No.515063
>>515040
There is a creature in those parts called a "Menk" by the Voguls (natives of that area), which is a Yeti/Sasquatch/Bigfoot thing.
There is also an unnamed Russian military base not too far from there with evidence of a soviet era underground complex.
a63f1d No.515103
>>515063
>Yeti/Sasquatch/Bigfoot thing
Why not just call it "Gigantopithecus" which is a more inclusive and scientific term also a beautiful Greek word for patricians instead of uncouth native savages' slang
fc2b0b No.515204
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>>514613
I'm gone for gunsmithing school for a week, and there is no one else autistic enough to mention the Dardick gun, and how the idea of a mag-fed revolver would work quite well in theory?
1e99c2 No.515216
>>515204
Mechanically, part of me will always be in love with the Landstad system. I know it doesn't exactly work like this, but something about the idea of a revolver that's also mag fed and tops the cylinder off from the mag gets me hard as diamonds.
fc2b0b No.515233
>>515216
I think you could make it work with only two cylinders with modern designing and machining, but I as far as I know it relies on gas pressure for extraction. And it's still a mystery how the projectiles go into the cylinder.
1e99c2 No.515262
>>515233
It just occurred to me: imagine a gas seal, mag fed, Blow-forward operation automatic revolver.
I think it's doable.
fc2b0b No.515267
>>515262
Maybe, but the whole point of a mag-fed revolver is that it cycles every time you pull the trigger, even if the ammo is faulty or you are using something like pic related. I just don't see why would you want a mag-fed autorevolver over a normal pistol as a sidearm on the battlefield.
dfa7fb No.515268
>>514667
What about the Korth Combat cost and rarity aside.
1e99c2 No.515272
>>515267
It'd be horribly impractical and overly complicated, I just think it would be cool as fuck.