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Love this guy ^ but idk why you need to use this argument when my friend debunked the myth.

>He was not a pedophile. Why? Because historical accounts and teachings are inconsistent with your fallacy.

Are you suggesting that according to the sahih hadiths that the Prophet saws was a pedophile?

Anyway, this argument is a compilation of copypaste and totally fake sources that has been circulating.

https://islamqa.info/en/122534

>The writer of the article mentioned was led by his ignorance and fanatical support for his false view to tell many lies and twist things, aiming thereby to support his falsehood.

>For example, he quotes Ibn Katheer as saying, in al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah, concerning the earliest Muslims: “Among the woman were Asma’ bint Abi Bakr and ‘Aa’ishah, when she was small; these people became Muslim within three years.” But we have not come across these words in al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah. Rather Ibn Katheer said (3/25): The first free man to believe was Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq; the first child was ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib; and the first woman was Khadeejah bint Khuwaylid. End quote. He did not mention either Asma’ or ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with them both).

>In fact ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) was born approximately four years after the Prophet’s mission began.

>This author also says:

>“All the sources, without exception, say that she – i.e., Asma’ – was ten years older than ‘Aa’ishah.”

>That is not the case. Adh-Dhahabi said in Siyar A‘laam an-Nubala’ (3/522): Asma’ was more than ten years older than ‘Aa’ishah.” End quote.

If you take your values from modern SJWs and want to disregard facts, ijma of the scholars, and sahih hadiths then do so at /modernislam/, please. Read Quran 65:4, we are allowed to marry before a girl is sexually mature but must wait until her maturity before intercourse. You are anachronistically applying modern moral arguments from a society that allows men to marry men.

>>23444

>Read Quran 65:4

The verse says those who haven't menstruated, it does not say those who have yet to menstruate, meaning it could refer to adult women who for one reason or another is not getting their periods as normal, so they should wait three months.

Verse 4:6 is used to prove that both physical and mental maturity is a requirement for marriage.

>>23447

Stop. You can't back this up in the plain ayat or tafsir and hadith. If you're having problems with the religion that's fine, but you don't get to twist the religion on your way out, it won't help you or anyone else. Read Ibn Kathir's tafsir of 65:4. Or do you prefer fake quotes from Ibn Kathir over his actual words?

>>23448

I'm not OP. I just mentioned that 65:4 doesn't clearly support your case.

>>23450

Bro, please read tafsir ibn kathir for starters. It's not my case, it's the case of the greatest imams of Islam. The ayat is clear, the sunnah is clear. I'm not "making a case" for us to do this in developed countries in the year 1438H, I'm merely defending the actual words of Imam ibn Kathir who was first falsely quoted and is now being ignored on this matter. If his words carry no weight then why did the OP's friend put words in his mouth?

And more than just defending all our classical tafsirs on this matter I am defending the sunnah and clear ayaat of kalamullah. We should not be ashamed of this, not even the most vile of the haters of Islam tried to use this marriage to attack Islam until a hundred years ago. It's a slimey attack from a people with a fluid morality, we shouldn't panic and try to rewrite history and worse, our deen to placate these devils.

Is marriage to a girl this age the norm now in most of muslim world? No, it's not. Now we have education and the people in general mature slower. But something can be seen as outmoded or rare without being haram. Ya'll cant make haram what Allah made halal and what thr clear sunnah is. Please don't go down that road, no need brothers. They will never be happy with Islam no matter what we try to deny.

Even if Aisha (ra) was 17-18 years old, they will still call him a pedo because "hur dur he is 50 something years old at this time".

But the point being made here is, is that Most poor muslim countries use Aisha and Muhammad's marriage as a way to marry little girls for family gain, thus blocking her from education and open mindedness.

Also, you should all remember that even the best of scholars can make mistakes.

>>23441

so what you're saying is that a sahih hadith from buhkari is not true.

Is this correct? Just trying to following your roundabout reasoning.

>>23470

Yes, because western morals change every ten years we have to start putting Sahih Bukhari in the paper shredder. That is basically the point.