/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

>>23133

Short answer: You don't. There is no way of knowing the future. All you can do is read Quran and decide for yourself.

If you have problems with committing to something long term, well, that's not the religion's fault.

>>23133

Read "The Bible, the Quran and Science" by Dr. Maurice Bucaille

>>23133

You may also want to look into Quranism, but you better look it up yourself cause I don't wanna risk a ban

>>23143

Quranism is kufr for denying the Sunnah is wahy from Allah, you should be banned for putting it in a positive light

MOD ERROR, BAN WAS BY MISTAKE AND HAS BEEN REMOVED

>>23147

we can debate this if you want

>>23148

We clearly know from the Quran that the Sunnah is wahy from Allah, anyone who denies this is a kaffir, it's not "Muhammad SWS making up rules that aren't even reliably transmitted", it's Allah inspiring the words which he speaks, the difference between the Quran and the Sunnah is one is the word of God.

>>23149

Prophet Muhammad preached the Quran, and by obeying the Quran, we are obeying him.

Also:

[6:38] "We did not leave anything out of this book. "

[7:52] "For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe."

>>23137

>Here as in the church you're currently in?

That and my life circumstances.

>>23150

Yes nothing was left out, including the numerous commands to obey and follow the beloved pbuh.

Take a day off. >>>/modernislam/

>>23152

but that one is full of hipsters and fags

>>23153

I meant to ban you for a day.

Astagfirullah, I banned the other brother by mistake.

>>23152

k

>>23151

What do you believe right now? Do you believe in all-powerful Creator that is self-sufficient, unborn, and transcendent?

Or do you believe in a God that needs suckling and diaper changes, is born, is killed, and enters into and then proceeds to "dwell" inside His creation?

Do you believe in a God that desires to enter his creation whether it is inside men, white bulls, swans, or a tuna sandwich? Or do you believe in a God whose majesty is far exalted above such things?

>>23166

This is probably one of my biggest qualms TBH. However, in turn one of my biggest qualms with Islam ATM is why is the Quran necessary when we had the Bible already?

>>23167

The Bible is interesting, it deserves serious study. But here's the problem,

>we had the Bible

>we

Unless you are a Jew then this is not even on the table, friend. The Bible is only for the children of Israel. The Quran is for all mankind. The people who compiled the Bible and said his message was for all of mankind never knew Jesus the Messiah pbuh in real life. The Quran exactly as we know it today was compiled by the actual apostles/in-laws of Muhammad pbuh.

>>23168

>Unless you are a Jew then this is not even on the table, friend. The Bible is only for the children of Israel. The Quran is for all mankind. The people who compiled the Bible and said his message was for all of mankind never knew Jesus the Messiah pbuh in real life. The Quran exactly as we know it today was compiled by the actual apostles/in-laws of Muhammad pbuh.

The Old Testament, perhaps, but the New Testament was compiled by the apostles that knew Jesus (Isa) and a lot of it focuses on Jesus' ministry.

Galatians 3:28

>28 There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

Just a clarification. :)

>>23169

>the New Testament was compiled by the apostles that knew Jesus (Isa) and a lot of it focuses on Jesus' ministry.

The New Testament as we know it today didn't exist until the mid 3rd century at the earliest. Some scholars even say the Third Council of Carthage in 397 was the final canonization.

>28 There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

The Turkish Jew who made this bizarre claim never knew Jesus in real life.

>>23167

We never had the Bible. What we have is a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy and the translation of a translation of a translation. We have a chopped up, retold, compressed series of books that not even the Christian churches can decide which is which anymore.

Just go spend a little time on /christian/ and you'll see all of the infighting and teeth gnashing about apocrypha this and canon that and KJV-onlyism and all manner of confusion.

Quran is Quran. That's it. You could take a Quran published today and get in a time machine, go back to Arabia 1400 years ago and everyone would recognize exactly what it is.

>>23174

In the first half of the third century, scholar Origen of Alexandria insisted he "kept to the Septuagint in all respects," because truths in the Greek Septuagint were veiled in the Hebrew: "The Holy Spirit wished the forms of the mysteries to be hidden in the divine scriptures, and not dealt with clearly and openly."

Yes, scripture loses so much in the… original language.

>>23175

>"The Holy Spirit wished the forms of the mysteries to be hidden in the divine scriptures, and not dealt with clearly and openly."

According to this church father, God is literally the author of confusion. He's between a rock and a hard stone, in fact all of Christianity is. Their faith starts with the Seventy Scribes and ends with Paul. Jesus' ministry is a three year blip inside centuries of lies.

>>23180

And Origen was one of the scant few Greek fathers that knew Hebrew. He was one of I believe two fathers that knew Hebrew. So at least half the Hebrew capable ones discarded the Hebrew outright. I'm appalled. I'm actually angry on behalf of my ancestors these shucking and jiving mountebanks led to hellfire.

>>23156

How

Huh looks like I'm not banned, it's fine then I guess akhi

Who Wrote the Books in the New Testament?

''Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.'' Matthew 7:21-23

''And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? Jesus saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden.

I spake unto them only that which Thou commandedst me, (saying): Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou tookest me Thou wast the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things.'' Quran 5:116-117