/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

>>22747

>What does /islam/ think about Scientology?

It's a cult.

>I am considering joining the Church.

If you're not wealthy, they don't want you.

>Why should I convert to Islam instead?

Because it is the Truth.

>how would go about choosing between the Sunni and Shi'ite schools…

That's entirely up to you.

>>22748

>It's a cult

People these days call any religion they don't like a cult. There's a reason scholars of religion do not use the word "cult."

>If you're not wealthy, they don't want you

There are many non-wealthy people in Scientology

>Because it is the Truth

And how should I go about realizing that it is the truth? What's the evidence? Scientology and Dianetics is practically applied, so you can test it yourself. How would I go about testing Islam against falsehood?

>That's entirely up to you

So regardless of sect, all Muslims are going to heaven? Is that what you mean?

Scientology is about hiding how everything works and releasing a slow stream of info to sucker people in. Usually by the time you realize it's garbage, you've already wasted enough money that post purchase rationalization kicks in and you try and justify it.

Islam is a much more open religion, and nothing is intentionally hidden from followers. You can ask pretty much anyone about things and they won't hold info back. You'd have a hard time finding a Scientology forum to ask about a comparison with it and Islam, and most of the members shy away from outsiders anyway.

If youre still not convinced, check out some of their leaked reading material. People have released the stuff that Scientology members pay to learn, and it's goofy as fuck. They also oppose proper medicine and treatment because they think their spiritual healing bullshit is better. They harass and sue anyone that tries to speak out against them, and have even managed to successfully blackmail the IRS into getting tax exempt status. They're a shady scam masquerading as a religion.

>>22750

>So regardless of sect, all Muslims are going to heaven? Is that what you mean?

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you lives after I am gone will see a great deal of dissent.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (4067); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also described them in the following terms: “My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.” This is mentioned in the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr which was recorded and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi (2641). It was also classed as hasan by al-‘Iraaqi in Ahkaam al-Qur’aan (3/432), al-‘Iraaqi in Takhreej al-Ihya’ (3/284) and al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

90% of muslims are Sunni by the way. So Sunnis are the majority group.

>>22750

Cult is a very specific term and it requires certain variables, such as giving all your money to them, absolute loyalty to them, abandoning friends/family to be a part of them. Scientology fits every definition of cult.

>how should I go about realizing that it is the truth?

Because the truth stands out clearly from falsehood.

>all Muslims are going to heaven?

The goal is not Heaven. The goal of Islam is complete and perfect submission to God.

>>22779

>cult is a very specific term

Not really. Rather, it's an unscientific buzzword. Christians even call Christian denominations who don't believe in the Trinity "cults."

>giving all your money to them

You don't have to give all your money to Scientology unless you want to. But I could also give all my money to the local mosque if I wanted to. To just be a Scientologist costs just as much as it costs to be a Muslim - $0, but of course, if you want books, lectures, Scientology courses, etc. you're gonna have to pay. I own a Qur'an and a volume of Sahih al-Bukhari which I had to pay for, just like I had to pay for my copy of Dianetics. If I want Scientology services I'd have to pay money, just like I would have to pay to take Islamic classes. The CoS has to cover land, building, staff, and technology expenses, etc. so they need money.

>absolute loyalty to them

You can be as disloyal to Scientology as you want — doesn't mean they'll let you stay in — and you can leave it whenever you want. In fact, the great majority of people who leave New Religious Movements such as Scientology do so with ease and do not make a scene for attention.

>There is a widespread misconception in the general public that few departures from new religious movements are voluntary and positive experiences … Contrary to public opinion, the overwhelming majority of defections from new religious movements are a matter of voluntary apostasy. Moreover, the clear majority of those who leave of their own free will speak positively of certain aspects of their past experience.

http://hatewatch.freedommag.org/hatewach/experts/eng/kliever01.pdf

>abandoning friends/family to be a part of them.

If one of your family members hated Islam, was constantly attacking it and harassing you for being a Muslim, and trying to get you to leave Islam, I really doubt you would choose to associate with them. If you do, that's 100% your choice just like it is in Scientology. To "disconnect" in Scientology is a right, and not a requirement, and it is not unique to the Church.

See a comparison with other religions here: http://www.scientologyparent.com/scientology-disconnection/a-comparative-summary-of-disconnection-or-shunning-in-world-religions/

As L. Ron Hubbard said:

>Perhaps the most fundamental right of any being is the right to communicate. Without this freedom, other rights deteriorate. Communication, however, is a two-way flow. If one has the right to communicate, then one must also have the right to not receive communication from another.

http://www.scientologyparent.com/scientology-disconnection/

>Because the truth stands out clearly from falsehood

Then why do so many people not find the truth, which you believe to be Islam?

>The goal is not heaven

Fair enough

>The goal of Islam is complete and perfect submission to God

And how do I know God wants me to practice Islam?

>>22802

Why are you defending Scientology so hard?

>>22747

>What does /islam/ think about Scientology?

We don't.

This is not a comparative religions board. If you have questions about Islam, then this is the place to ask; but we are not interested in comparing every little man-made cult with Islam.

Take it to >>>/rel/