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"Allah is but one God. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." [4:171]

e0ee77  No.22393

The Blessed Quran says

>You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.

>And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.

>And why should we not believe in Allah and what has come to us of the truth? And we aspire that our Lord will admit us [to Paradise] with the righteous people."

>So Allah rewarded them for what they said with gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. And that is the reward of doers of good.

Why do Christians side with the accursed Jews? Why do they bomb Muslim countries? Why don't they convert?

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abf708  No.22394

>Why do Christians side with the accursed Jews?

Jews basically rule their countries, tbh. But yes, most christians do side with them for all kinds of reasons, mostly because Jews are "winning" in US economics and culture and they want to be on the winning team.

>Why do they bomb Muslim countries?

Dude, these same christian countries (Russia, USA, UK, France) killed almost 10 million German Christians in wwi and wwii. They slaughter everyone and anyone without thinking and this is considered normal. When they kill their own why wouldnt they kill muslims too?

>Why don't they convert?

Every non-muslim is a snowflake with their own unique little profound hangup. And even though it's unfortunate muslims (I mean real muslims, not deviant sects) still fight eachother sometimes too.

Remember, fighting has been prescribed for us even though we dislike it.


09a6be  No.22396

>>22393

>Why do Christians side with the accursed Jews?

Because most christians have yet to read the bible. Actually, they have yet to read anything.

>Why do they bomb Muslim countries?

Media control, read up about edward bernays*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

>why don't they convert?

i'd say this is a combination of my last 2 answers.


82289a  No.22397

>>22393

>Why do Christians side with the accursed Jews?

I think this is a mostly an American Protestant thing. It's unheard of where I'm from. A lot of them think that the current Israel is a Biblical one, but that's far from the truth.

>Why do they bomb Muslim countries?

If you spent a day in the west, you'd see that it's a propaganda machine. All the interventions of the past and the ones of today are 'peacekeeping' missions, according to our leaders. :^)

I have a question for you: I know that a lot of Muslims dislike Christian/western governments, but what do you think of us on an individual level? I know that the Qur'an says we will burn in hell, but I'd love to hear your opinion.

source on all of this: am a Christian from the west


6a99e2  No.22446

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>Christian here

Don't care. Your containment thread is here: >>20806


6a99e2  No.22448

>>22397

Not you, you're cool.

>I have a question for you: I know that a lot of Muslims dislike Christian/western governments, but what do you think of us on an individual level?

>us

>individual level

as they say, choose one.


a03a82  No.22449

>>22393

>Why don't more Christians convert

What does Islam have that Christianity lacks?

A Christian can pray in any direction at any time and he isn't bound by a daily schedule, instead he is encouraged (not mandated) to pray and remember God as much as possible and not make a spectacle of it in public with long words or bodily convulsions.

All the hebraic fat like dietary laws and circumcision are stripped away. Marriage is also more sacred making divorce a really big deal not something to take trivially, monogamy is the ideal as we see with Adam and Eve, not Adam and Eve and Stacy and Fatima and Osaka, etc….

And the emphasis on God is love and God is our father is something absolutely missing in Islam. So I ask the OP again what does Islam offer that Christianity lacks?

>inb4 da truth

obviously this is a non-answer that can't really be argued because it's more of an axiom or article of faith you start with.


b1e585  No.22451

>>22449

>what does Islam offer that Christianity lacks?

1. A better, healthier way of life.

2. Freedom from degeneracy like gay preachers, extremist feminism, and "choose your own adventure" style religion.

3. Salvation

4. Proper laws concerning marriage, diet, and lifestyle.

5. God's true religion.

6. Strength of character.

7. Not having to hide one's faith when surrounded by those who might make fun of you.

8. Fearlessness

9. True prophets and scholars from which to learn.

10. Submission to the true God.

Any other stupid questions?


9983aa  No.22453

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>>22449

Which one of the Bibles do you follow? Read your book and then read mine, the New Testament slanders our Creator as some sort of needy, lovey dovey, Lord of the Feels character. My book, whose history isn’t shrouded in mystery (we know the most mundane facts of our Nabi and Sahaba’s lives*) shows God as He really is, an all powerful King of creation. Instead of the nonsensical Christian idea of humanity as God’s cosmic lovers, God created us because He is a King and a King demands subjects. Will you rebel against God or submit? Will you ascribe partners and intermediaries to God or worship and rely on God alone?

God doesn’t give A's for effort or love you for believing in Him, He loves those who serve Him.

Belief in God is self-evident, basing a religion around simply believing is totally banal. Only a twisted platonic pretzel of a god, a triune artifice, could be so absurd that merely maintaining belief in it is a man's life's work. Still, the churches are riddled with atheist priests and even theresa of calcutta was an atheist.

*Christians know next to nothing about Jesus and what they do know they race to deny: deny his brothers, deny circumcision, deny dietary laws. Paulism is a miserable trade of Jesus' pure monotheistic messianic message.

>A Christian can pray in any direction

If you can worship in any direction then why not worship towards Mecca?

>at any time

Or no time. It doesn't matter right? Oh wait I forgot Christians still can't agree on whether salvation requires good deeds/works or not. You can only hide behind C.S. Lewis with this lofty nothingness for a post or two.

And I'll mention how Christians can't even agree on trinity or even the mechanisms of the trinity. You have conjecture and emotion.

>and he isn't bound by a daily schedule, instead he is encouraged (not mandated) to pray

Encouraged by who? The Pope?

>and remember God as much as possible

Yeah, we can pray at anytime. We also have obligatory worship along with obligatory fasting and pilgrimages but with those too, we do extra. We have obligations put on us by God that we fulfill out of submission. The amazing thing is that Allah doesn't need those actions, but rather He knows that we do! Allah only commands His slaves to do actions that bless them here and hereafter - truly He is the most gracious and amazing Master.

>and not make a spectacle of it in public

Christians don't meet at least once a week for public worship? They don't have parades with their graven imagery and even self mutilation?

>with long words or bodily convulsions.

Huh? Long words like transubstantiation and convulsions like christian "shakers"?

>dietary laws and circumcision are stripped away.

By Saul of Tarsus, not Jesus and not Allah. He did this over grave objections the early christians had too. And yet peculiarly Saul secretly circumcized men and continued to offer sacrifices at the temple. He did both those things after preaching "circumcision of the heart" and how the only sacrifice was Jesus.

>Marriage is also more sacred making divorce a really big deal not something to take trivially

Your religion has no guidelines for engagement or divorce or anything for that matter. You're at the mercy of the marriage courtsystem of whatever government is in power. Marriage is a contract overseen by two families in Islam represented by two respectable young people that are chaperoned and in group setting at all times until marriage. Christian marriages are between people that already have sex and live together and they're drunken ribaldry most often charged on a usurious "credit card", not a solemn occasion whatsoever. Calling this toothless contract between two fornicators a "sacrament" is a sick joke. In Islam we pay the woman a bride price and if the marriage doesn't workout that is her compensation. Your kind invented the modern day divorce court system, good job.

>monogamy is the ideal as we see with Adam and Eve, not Adam and Eve and Stacy and Fatima and Osaka, etc….

What you don't like is "fat" what you do like is "ideal." How inane, how oblivious.

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55813d  No.22456

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2a6eed  No.22553

Christians don't convert because of three major factors, which I will now explain.

Qur'an: The Qur'an, once read, is very much a non-conflicting book within the first several sections. Upon reaching the later sections, however, they become much more violent and demand for executions and forced conversion of non-Muslims. A doctrine of Islam states that the latter books override anything said in the earlier books, which is not only dangerous for Christians in a physical sense, but it becomes an issue due to the nature of the Qur'an being written by a single author, instead of the multiple different authors of the Bible.

History: The history of Islam is very outputting. A religion that claims to be a completion of Judaism & Christianity, which both hold God as a being of love, peace, and justice. Muhammad, the ideal example of a holy life in Islam, was a warlord who conquered peoples and forced them to convert. God and Muhammad seem to have different ideas of a perfect life.

Bible: The Bible clearly tells us that if anyone, even an angel, were to preach a gospel different to what Jesus taught us, we should disregard what they said. Furthermore, Jesus and all of the New testament prophets never fought anyone physically. The OT has all of the kings of Israel fight only under strict commandment of God, and even then, God has to straighten out the kings sometimes, such as sending a prophet to David when he killed a man who's wife he'd fornicated with and wanted to avoid the guilt. King Solomon was given Wisdom when God appeared before him in a dream, because he asked for it instead of self-serving desires such as a long life or the death of his enemies.


f26b30  No.22554

>demand for executions and forced conversion of non-Muslims.

The only non-muslims forcibly converted were the gulf Arab pagans. Otherwise if there is conflict between an Islamic polity and none muslims these are the options:

1.) Most preferable: sue for peace and negotiate a just settlement

2.) Fight a war

If option 2.) is undertaken and the Muslims are victorious in the land then as regards the vanquished non-Muslim people:

1.) Begom Muslim :-)

2.) Begom a taxpaying citizen :-)

3.) Vote with your feet and leave :-|

4.) Be in le vainglorious martyr mode and beg to be executed by refusing every other option. Basically pretend you never lost a war, pretend paying tax is some cruel and unusual punishment… :-/

>A doctrine of Islam states that the latter books override anything said in the earlier books, which is not only dangerous for Christians in a physical sense, but it becomes an issue due to the nature of the Qur'an being written by a single author, instead of the multiple different authors of the Bible.

Next to nothing relating to abrogation pertains to interfaith relations.

>The history of Islam is very outputting. A religion that claims to be a completion of Judaism & Christianity, which both hold God as a being of love, peace, and justice. Muhammad, the ideal example of a holy life in Islam, was a warlord who conquered peoples and forced them to convert. God and Muhammad seem to have different ideas of a perfect life.

Muhammad pbuh was a prophet like Moses and the Israelite king that we consider prophets, far removed from the moral failings erroneously ascribed to them and others such as Lot, Noah, etc who Christians and Jews dishonor.

Muhammad pbuh simply preached, eventually he was asked to become leader of Medina by its people. The first battle in Islam was not until after 14 years of Islamic preaching. It is unjust to compare the first three years of prophet Jesus pbuh to 23 years of prophet Muhammad pbuh and vice versa. Jesus will come back and fight the antichrist, no? And you ascribe tremendous violence to Jesus by saying he is Yahweh.

Again, there were not forced conversions except for the gulf pagans. This is well known fact.

>Bible: The Bible clearly tells us that if anyone, even an angel, were to preach a gospel different to what Jesus taught us, we should disregard what they said.

Jesus taught that he was a PROPHET and the MESSIAH. We concur.

>Furthermore, Jesus and all of the New testament prophets never fought anyone physically.

>prophets

>s

You mean just prophet John pbuh… right?

Is your qualm with all fighting or do you believe in fighting for abstract concepts like your country and just pointedly refuse to fight for God? If you're a total pacifist that's one thing but if you think that fighting is ok, just not for the sake of God but rather for money, homeland, status, glory, then you might have a priority problem.

>The OT has all of the kings of Israel fight only under strict commandment of God, and even then, God has to straighten out the kings sometimes, such as sending a prophet to David when he killed a man who's wife he'd fornicated with and wanted to avoid the guilt.

We believe prophet David never did such a thing, we seek refuge with Allah from those who create lies about the prophets and those who parrot them.

>King Solomon was given Wisdom when God appeared before him in a dream, because he asked for it instead of self-serving desires such as a long life or the death of his enemies.

>When the Prophet (S.A.W) approached the tribe of Saqeef (the inhabitants of the city of Taif), he asked to meet the chief of the town, and the chiefs of the town were in fact three brothers (Their father was once the chief of the city, but once he died, the brothers decided to share the power among each other). So the three chiefs agreed to meet the Prophet (S.A.W) as they didn't know why he (S.A.W) wanted to meet them. When the Prophet (S.A.W) introduced him as the Messenger of Allah, told them about Islam, about worshipping only one God, and leaving idol worshipping, the three brothers ridiculed and insulted him in the worst possible manner. One of them said, 'If you are a Prophet, I might as well destroy the Kaabah' (meaning what's the point), another said, 'Did Allah not found any one better than you to send? You are the one He has chosen?', the third one said, 'If you are a Prophet, then you are too Holy for me to speak to, and if you are not a prophet (i.e. if you are a liar), then you are too ignoble for me (a noble man) to speak to' (i.e. either way, you are somebody I cannot speak to.)

>But this wasn't the end of it, the three brothers then commanded their slaves and the youth to ridicule the Prophet (S.A.W) and make fun of him. Also, to physically harm him by throwing stones at him, by pelting him as he was leaving the city. So, the Prophet (S.A.W) was forced to leave the city while the people are ridiculing him, insulting him, and throwing stones at him, so much so that the blood began to pour from his body and that his shoes became soaked with his own blood. As he ran outside the city, he himself narrates to Aishaa, 'that I could not remember where I was going'. He was in such a state of shock that he did not know where he was until he reached a garden a few kilometers outside of Taif. The people of Taif had stopped chasing him, and he sat down, tired and bleeding, being tortured and humiliated by the people of Taif, all alone under a tree. There he (S.A.W) made a dua (call) to Allah (S.W.T) and said:

>O Allah! I complain to You of my weakness, my scarcity of resources and the humiliation I have been subjected to by the people. O Most Merciful of those who are merciful. O Lord of the weak and my Lord too. To whom have you entrusted me? To a distant person who receives me with hostility? Or to an enemy to whom you have granted authority over my affair? So long as You are not angry with me, I do not care. Your favor is of a more expansive relief to me. I seek refuge in the light of Your Face by which all darkness is dispelled and every affair of this world and the next is set right, lest Your anger or Your displeasure descends upon me. I desire Your pleasure and satisfaction until You are pleased. There is no power and no might except by You."

>At this point, the Prophet (S.A.W) said 'I saw a cloud hovering above me, and lo and behold, I saw Jibreel (Angel Gabriel) came down from that cloud, and besides him was an angel that I had never seen before.' And Jibreel said to the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), 'O Muhammad (S.A.W), your Lord has seen how your people have responded to you, your Lord has seen what they have said to you, so he has sent me with the angel of the mountains to place at your disposal.'

>The angel said, 'O Muhammad (S.A.W), if you want, command me and I will cause the two mountains of Taif to collapse upon them.' (For those of you who don't know, Taif is situated on some type of plateau, and the city is in between these two mountains, and the angel asked the Prophet (S.A.W) if he should just squash the people between the same mountains whose pebbles they used to stone the Prophet (S.A.W) with.)

>The Prophet (S.A.W), still bleeding and his shoes still wet with blood says, 'No! Rather, I pray that Allah (S.W.T) blesses their children to be Muslims and worship Allah (S.W.T) alone. Even if they have rejected Islam, I pray that Allah (S.W.T) blesses their progeny to be Muslim.'


e0fdbc  No.22572

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Here's an interview with a mainline Christian with a Masters from Harvard Divinity School that embraced Islam.

Now let's see an interview with a mainline Muslim that graduated a prestigious Islamic seminary and became Christian, please.


e0fdbc  No.22573

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And yes, we know that this thread was started by a Christian falseflagging as a muslim concern troll.

We decided to let it stand.

Now tell us why so many Christians are abandoning Christianity.


e0fdbc  No.22574

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A succinct message to the people of confusion and conjecture who call themselves Christians.


32ccd7  No.22624

>>22553

>Muhammad, the ideal example of a holy life in Islam, was a warlord who conquered peoples and forced them to convert

This is what I've never understood.

Muhammad is supposed to be the most perfect and ideal human in creation, an example for all of humanity to follow…. who owned slaves, and raped women (see: Marya al-Qibtiyya). How do the more peaceful, freedom-loving, moderate Muslims reconcile this?

Like, most Muslims I've talked to will say that they find slavery immoral. How do they reconcile anti-slavery views with the fact that Muhammad and his followers were very clearly pro-slavery?


6a99e2  No.22626

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>>22624

>This is what I've never understood.

Listen kafir, you never understood because you a.) don't have the facts and b.) don't want to understand. No one was ever forcibly converted by the Prophet pbuh.

>Muhammad is supposed to be the most perfect and ideal human in creation, an example for all of humanity to follow…. who owned slaves

Liberal detected. There's absolutely nothing wrong with slavery especially in a classical and Islamic context ie not gutter racism.

>and raped women (see: Marya al-Qibtiyya).

<Implying you can rape a slave or wife.

Back to reddit.

>How do the more peaceful, freedom-loving,

Freedom by definition doesn't exist without slavery. If everyone is equally free then everyone is equally a slave and vice versa. We have the true freedom in Islam of realizing we are all slaves of Allah the only choice is whether to revel in it or rebel against it.

>moderate Muslims

Nice meme.

>Like, most Muslims I've talked to will say that they find slavery immoral.

Not here. I find slavery - not racism based - to be the morally superior socioeconomic arrangement. Slaves have copious rights in Islam such as eating the same food as their masters, receiving education, wearing the same clothing as their masters. Projecting western complexes about slavery onto us isn't going to work. And pro-tip, those Muslims you're talking to think the same way I do but unless they're anonymous they're not gonna say otherwise because you'll probably lose bladder control. You're also biting off your nose to spite your face if you're a Christian since your Bible contains slavery condoning. The difference is your Bible was used to justify the excess of chattel race slavery whereas The Quran firmly commands slavery only for prisoners of war and again, they have immense rights.


6a99e2  No.22627

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>>22624

>>22626

And inb4 hiding power level to some liberal kaffir is "taqiyya". Muslims think American slavery was disgusting and we celebrate the destruction of your evil statues too, Alhamdulillah.

Now for the brothers that might be reading this, do you see what angle this kafir came at Islam from? He came from the moral angle. This is potentially categorized as one of the 6 avenues for doubt and attack on Islam. In this line of attack the kafir is asserting his moral superiority over Allah swt, Muhammad pbuh, and the Muslims of all time. He constructs a moral system that's a hodgepodge of Greco-Roman & Anglo-Saxon tidbits mixed with neoliberalism and deems it superior to Islam. We believe his whole premise is flawed because we take morality from Allah swt and His prophets. We don't try to fit the Creator of the Universe and His Chosen One into a pagan-cum-judeochristian-cum-apostate moral schema.


4f1375  No.22631

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>>22630

And this is why you have a containment thread here.




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