/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

>>22277

How come following the sunnah of the Prophet, sallalahu aleyhi wasalam, isn't among the pillars―isn't that also an essential part of being a Muslim? Or is it basically implied since, for example, you can't really perform salat if you don't know the correct way?

>>22280

What about sunnah that don't relate to any of the other pillars? Like sunnah about how to groom facial hair and so on. Are they obligatory and if so why?

From the Muslim point of view is one allowed to seek knowledge/wisdom by studying other religions, or by associating with people from other religions?

You can seek (religious) knowledge by and from studying other religions but not in other religions. And definitely you can associate with people of other religions to attain knowledge of their religious beliefs or material knowledge they may have.

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We have the Israiliyyat which are the stories of the prophets from Jacob to Jesus. In addition many Muslims study the Jewish Bible and the different Christian Bibles and discuss them. I'm a fan of Toviah Singer (Jew) and James White (Christian) for example, many muslims like those two because they're knowledgeable well-mannered people.

How about the esoteric/exoteric division? Does it apply to Islam? Here's an essay by Guenon that leads me to bring up this question:

http://www.fatuma.net/text/Haqiqa_and_Sharia_in_Islam_by_Rene_Guenon.pdf

>>22328

Yes, of course, provided that the knowledge is good and useful. One shouldn't fill the head with mindlessness or idle thought.

>>22333

There is no division between the two in Islam. Guenon is wrong.

>>22334

>There is no division between the two in Islam. Guenon is wrong.

Do you have any Islamic resources dealing with this issue?

>>22335

Guenon's biggest error is leaving out Tariqah, which is the bridge that connects Sahri'ah and Haqiqah.

A good starting point is to read introductory stuff on 'irfan and go from there. Can't discuss the Way and the Reality while leaving out things such as fiqh, usul al-fiqh, tafsir, and 'ilm al-hadith. Guenon's problem is that he wants to discuss Islam without Qur'an, which is impossible. It's like saying you're Muslim when you don't believe in God. It simply doesn't work.

>>22338

Did you read past the first paragraph? He discusses tariqah. Or what do you mean? Also Guenon was orthodox in his practice of Shari'a.

>>22333

There is no hidden knowledge held by men in Islam. Nothing was concealed by our Prophet saws, nothing is concealed by our scholars. The knowledge of unseen things that was not made clear by Allah and the Prophet belongs only to Allah.

it's correct but you need high Intuition and Wisdom to grasp it, the general masses can't do this, even the high IQ folks will feel offended by the notion because of egoism, pure and simple.

>>22272

>>22347

We literally do not have hidden knowledge in Islam. This /fringe/-tier crap needs to stop.

>>22341

>>22353

>>22354

So what do Sufis do?

>>22358

Nothing special or out of the ordinary. They study deeper meaning, but not hidden meaning. There is nothing hidden in Islam. Sufi are Muslim, same as other Muslims.

It's like a lawyer studies the law, but that doesn't mean there are hidden laws.

>>22358

They usually lead a simple life, and if they are born to a wealthy family they might live a refined life but they're transparent and halal about it.

There are normal Sufis like Habib ali Jifri who are straight up muslims, vid related.

Then there are dogs like Hisham Kabbani who came to the US in the 90's and told the government that the muslims here are evil and he needs federal money to stop their evil plans. He was supposed to be the "official moderate" but he was rejected by the entire American muslim community for being a tool and unfortunately he tarnished Sufism in the eyes of many muslims here.

>>22354

>>22354

>secret knowledge??

No. But people have different capacities of understanding.

The meanings and teachings are there but not everyone can extract them on their own or develop them without a good teacher/guide. There's a ladder of progress, you gotta learn arithmetic before calculus. Same goes for spirituality. This doesn't mean its "secret" it's just not apparent to everyone.

>>22363

I know people with down syndrome who are hafidh ul Quran and I know genius level IQ people that are totally lost in drugs or even "super successful" but they refuse to even read the quran. I've met a sunni from Lebanon that only memorized two small chapters of the Quran, he was almost 40.

Yes, some people are more discipined and guided than others but that can always change and it's not related to IQ.

This is what some people do, they talk about all their advanced knowledge but they never speak knowledgeably. If you have knowledge why don't you answer the question above yours?

>>22362

9:29, 9:33. Islam is Din-ul-Haqq.

>>22363

Truth stands out clear from Error 2:256

If the truth isn't apparent, then the fault lies with the person. Islam is incredibly simple and requires nothing more than opening one's self to al-Qudus.

>>22354

TIL: All spirituality is fringe magick crap.

This is probably why secular society is becoming worse and worse in terms of irreligion. Because the followers of once great religions are now all committed to sectarian infighting and obscure political motives rather than an actual search for religious knowledge and meaning.

>>22499

what is "TIL"?? I don't understand what your post is saying.

>>22499

No. It's going to get worse and worse. That's something we've always known.

>Because the followers of once great religions are now all committed to sectarian infighting and obscure political motives rather than an actual search for religious knowledge and meaning.

The only person engaging in infighting here was you - and those posts were removed. Now you're pretending to be some guru. Well guru, the struggle against deviant sects has always been taking place even since the time of the Prophet saws. If even the Prophet had to fight deviants and later the sahaba (ra) had to fight them, then of course we will too.