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"Allah is but one God. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." [4:171]

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5a4e90  No.21410

Assalamuialakum, Brothers,

I love the West.

I love the freedoms it provides, the secularism it ensures, and the free-market it upholds. It is, without a doubt, the greatest civilization on earth. However, there is an issue. Religion is at an all-time low in this part of the world, with Christianity seeing the lowest rates of conversion among worldly religions. Now, noticing the rapid rise of Islam, I've realized that Islam and the West need each other more than ever.

Here is why:

- Muslims are in desperate need of modernization. I don't mean this in the cliche, abandoning religion form. I mean a purge of Wahhabist influences and a return to the intellectual enlightenment Muslims in places such as the Caliphate of Cordoba saw.

- The West is in desperate need of upholding its' own values. Judeo-Christian values are falling by the waysides, and Abrahamic values need to be upheld to stop the rise of moral relativism.

What I'm saying is that "Western Islam" must see a rise, for the future of our religion and the West as a whole.

What do you think, /muslims/?

51fcb9  No.21411

File: 6f57c1ceec0c564⋯.jpg (70.28 KB, 640x276, 160:69, IMG_3783.JPG)

Yeah, I like the west too. And there is absolutely nothing about following adhering to salafi manhaj that is anti-western. Do you not realize that the salafi gulf kingdoms are the most pro-western muslim countries? It seems like you're just looking for a pretext to divide muslims. This is especially eyebrow raising since not only are salafi countries pro-western but the majority of western reverts either identify with salafiyya or are influenced by the salafi revival by-proxy to such an extent they take from it without knowing. Worshipping graves, praying through intercessors, fabricated hadith, self mutilation, drugs, shamanism and other ills were common in the Ummah before the revivals in India and the Hejaz in the 18th century. Bring forth some books from the Saudi and Deobandi ulema and show us the problems you have with them.

>I mean a purge of Wahhabist influences

Weew.

>and a return to the intellectual enlightenment Muslims in places such as the Caliphate of Cordoba saw.

If it wasn't for the reforming muslims you despise, Cordoba would have never been muslim. And without Ibn Tumart(rh), who was a reformer just like Abdel Wahhab(rh) - Andalus would have ceased being muslim much sooner than it did.


ef3207  No.21412

>>21410

There is literally nothing wrong with Islam. If you don't want to follow al-Wahhab, then don't. It's really not difficult. Hundreds of millions of Muslims do it every day.


51fcb9  No.21414

>Judeo-Christian values are falling by the waysides, and Abrahamic values need to be upheld to stop the rise of moral relativism.

There is always an impulse for us as muslims to think "hey, we can't make everyone muslim but maybe we can at least make the judeochristians better judeochristians." I fully understand that view. That's why I try to show Jews that Jesus is the messiah and why I try to Christians that the only Allah is the Father. The best thing is if jews and christians become muslim. But a messianic jew that loves Jesus and a unitarian christian that worships Allah alone with no partners are both victories for the haqq. The problems with their values cannot in any meaningful way be divorced from their lack of grasping these core truths.


fe85ea  No.21416

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

From now on I'm posting this video or a similar one whenever some pig comes here and mentions "wahabbis" or "based Assad."


ef3207  No.21437

>>21425

Until Russia declares itself an Islamic nation, they will not be our allies.


a18e30  No.21471

>>21411

>there is absolutely nothing about following adhering to salafi manhaj that is anti-western

how do you address his accusations ?


51fcb9  No.21472

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>>21471

I can't watch webm so it's been removed. You can repost it in youtube format. Whatever it was, this is a much beloved magic bullet against sunnis from /christian/.

But

>nakshawani

Lol. The emo-taqiyya king and tattoo parlor "scholar." He is known and his arguments are easily refuted.


51fcb9  No.21474

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>21471

>>21472

This guy is the Emir of Taqiyya.


bdd69c  No.21478

>>21475

Russian foreign policy: Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Farage/Griffen, Assad.

many years ago muslims used to have a saying. We said "neither east nor west, Islam is the best." It's high time to bring that back.


16cd3c  No.21491

>>21472

>can't watch webm so its removed

what sort of policy is this?? lmao


e24534  No.21492

>>21491

I don't know if it's appropriate or not, just re-upload crybaby.


9009bc  No.21962

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


87d216  No.21963

File: 1e49f756fdf724a⋯.jpg (134.9 KB, 367x347, 367:347, 1417569947026.jpg)

why can't everyone just get along


932c06  No.21967

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>>21416

EVERYTIME


dcd3f0  No.21974

>>21962

immigrants are not the same as settlers.


3c13cf  No.21983

The west belongs to Christ, friends. However, I hope to dedicate a lot of my life in the MENA region. I'm currently in the seminary to become a Catholic priest and a lot of my brother seminarians (myself included) are diligently studying Arabic because we have been enrolled in programs that will allow us to become missionaries (not only MENA, but mostly there). Our diocese have many missionaries in the Muslim world and they are proving to be very successful, thanks be to God.

(BRING SOME BONBONS FOR BEATRICE STOCKLY)
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f68edd  No.21984

>>21983

The whole of the world belongs to Allah. Hopefully in your studies you will come to Islam.


f68edd  No.21986

>>21963

We can. It just takes a bit of effort.


3c13cf  No.21988

>>21983

Why are Muslims so insecure about their faith?

>i-inshallah, if we kill everyone else, Islam must truly be the right religion!

>>21984

The world belongs to Christ. I know enough about Islam to be able to convince Muslims that it's false.

God bless all of you. :)


98149b  No.21989

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>>21983

>"catholic" troll says it's bad to have a liturgical language….

>christianity is cool because women can still dress like whores and chinese christians can still eat dogs, cats, and pigs

>if you dress like Jesus and Mary you're an Arab larper, my Father Robert Creflo Anderson Barron told me in piglatin.

>I have so many great arguments that can disprove Islam but instead of showing them I'll lob some cultural comments and post graven images.

>im learning arabic in a trappist brewery


3c13cf  No.21990

>>21989

>I have so many great arguments that can disprove Islam but instead of showing them I'll lob some cultural comments and post graven images.

Are we allowed to have debates here, then? You edited both of the comments I made and I didn't even slander your God or your Prophet.

I'd love to have a genuine debate with you, but you'll just edit the content.


f68edd  No.21991

>>21988

We're not insecure at all and we don't kill anyone. I believe it is you who hang people for "witchcraft" and condemn everyone you meet while we try to educate them.

>>21990

>Are we allowed to have debates here, then?

There is nothing to debate. Also, see: >>21985


f68edd  No.21992

>>21990

It's also very telling that you've come here only to cause trouble, to argue, and to troll. That speaks volumes about you. Not your religion, but you personally.

There's been a long, long standing tradition on this board since before /christian/ was created: Act like a child, get treated like one.


98149b  No.21994

>>21993

>ye olde turr statz

Because when you're in a christian majority country's military no one asks you why you're killing people.


ee4b7f  No.21995

>>21994

Do Muslims really believe that western nations are in your countries in the name of Christ?

I'm genuinely curious, all banter aside. This is not the case, you know.


7ad2cf  No.21997

>>21983

focus on your south american brothers first

also europe will be Muslim in 20 years lmao


f68edd  No.21998

>>21995

>Do Muslims really believe [insert just about any political thought here]

We're not a hive mind.


a23e13  No.22000

>>21995

They're there. Allah swt knows why. Only He sees the hearts. We see the actions and the filthy hypocrisy of your ilk regarding this matter

Surah Baqara 11-12

>And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only.

>Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.

>>21997

Either christians are the religion of gay marriage or they lost control in their own countries. Now they flee their mess to spread their sickness. All they can do is spread shirk, usury, gay marriage, revealing clothing, intoxicants, and other khabeeth. That is what they are known for and even the lubnani+masri nasara are embarassed by them.


94d4d3  No.22001

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>>22000

>>21998

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>>21983

everybody chill.

jzk.

Trinnies have zero relevance unless they piggyback on Islam, fam. They know this. We know this. The new and old atheists know this. Peewee here is not even pretending to study 3ibriyah, Greek, Aramaic, or Latin. He's pretending to study 3rabiya.


be3daf  No.22005

>>21995

Some say yes, some say no. Me I don't think so, since I'm on 8ch.




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