/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

From what I've read, his methods certainly seem wrong. He had people pretend to be gays on sites to convince the targets to sign up for dating sites and meet up, to catch them. Convincing people to do something you can arrest them for sounds unfair.

Apparently he likes his social media. I found his Instagram but I don't understand Russian.

>>20890

>the West

Literally who? I'm American and I don't demonize him. Am I not part of "the West"?

This is Putin's puppet. And stopping gays is part of Islam but this guy is likely putting the cart before the horse - selectively enforcing some details while neglecting to implement the basics of sharia. I call this "sharia theater." By targeting gays he is striking at the branches instead of the roots. It's good that Putin bans islamophobic incitement in Russia and is not anti-muslim in his borders. But then Putin supports Assad and every islamophobe in the west from nick griffen/ farage to le pen to geert wilders and more…. putin has weaponized the refugee crisis and aggravated it - then he funds radical zionist nationalist parties in the west to destabilize the EU. Le Pen would be jailed if she said the same things about muslims in russia as she does in france.

hes a cuck for putin, hes not a good leader and will never be

>>20890

putin's dog

>>20890

They want to destroy us.

I think he's great. But what this thread really needs is analysis of the practices of Chechnya through application of Quranic verses (which may be supplemented by hadith and tafseer)

>>20895

>sharia theater

I like this term, I'm gonna start using it.

>>20903

Putin's a cuck for him, actually. Putin is scared of him and basically allowed him to do anything and gives him weapons and shit.

>>21056

no, after his dad was killed putin gave him control to stabilize the region

its a deal between them, keep islamists at bay and we give you money and weapons

>>21428

It's cool that you see how Putin is cynically manipulating the altright. Please explain that to the /christian/s, some of them are actually converting to Putin's KGB church.

But so long as I have a muslim family living in the west, islamophobic retards don't sit well, even though they're just useful idiots.

>>21620

that works only when moslems are a minority in the USA

>>20894

muslims will never be part of the west

>>21624

I got some bad news for you, kid. We're already here and we ain't goin' anywhere.

>>21626

>aint goin' anywhere

That is until the Khilafah arrives, then I'm out of here and crawling over ice IYKWIM

>>21632

And not that numbers matter, the truth isn't a popularity contest, but FYI there are over 2.2 billion Christians worldwide and roughly 1.5 billion muslims.

So you have some catching up to do.

>>21638

The largest religious denomination in the world is Sunni Islam. You have some schisms to mend, cuck.

>>21638

>2.2 billion Christians worldwide

Spread out among 30,000 branches/sects. Good luck with that.

>>21638

>I know it don't matter, but…

Just like how: "religious attitudes towards dogs don't matter in regards to truth of course, but oh, did you know that Muhammad threw puppies into woodchippers, I mean come on, look at this puppy in this David Wood video. Now call Jesus a triune God and we'll stop bombing your countries and we'll give you rice." -/christian/

Btw, cucks:

Have you ever thought how funny it is that David Wood calls the Prophet (saaws) violent? David Wood went to jail for cracking his father's skull with a hammer. He is the projecting psycho, not our Beloved (saaws).

This patricidal psychopath realized if he became christian he had a get out of jail free card and a built in flock of simps to fleece. Just like how the Ahmadi kaffir "left Islam" and is now pretending to die to raise $1mil. You people are so stupid, no wonder you are fleeced regularly by televangelists and now youtubevangelists.

>>21649

Wood said Christianity helped him overcome his psychopathy. Also if he took the shahada wouldn't his past be forgiven as well? Either religion would "let him off the hook" so to speak.

And isn't there a hadith about a murderer who was on his way to a mosque but he died before getting there and Allah forgave him anyway? Something about making the distance shorter…

>>21647

Orthodox and catholics account for the bulk of Christianity and they are very similar. Its the Protestants who have so much internal division and so many sects, but they are all still Christian, trinitarian who follow Christ…or try to.

Schisms aren't that big of a deal as long as they share the fundamentals like the Nicene creed.

>>21654

>Either religion would "let him off the hook" so to speak.

It's not about the religion letting people off the hook. When you become Muslim, your past is forgiven by Allah; but that doesn't give you a license to sin all you want. "Once saved, Always saved" is not a Muslim thing. You can nullify your Islam through certain actions.

>>21656

OSAS is nullified if you are a degenerate but not in the sense that you "lost" salvation but in the sense that you were never saved to begin with, your faith was just a delusion and not salvific.

Most Christians don't take OsAS seriously anyway. Salvation depends on having "salvific faith" which brings with it good works and a transformation of character but you aren't saved by the works, those are just secondary effects of having right faith

>>21658

Well, since the right faith is Islam and Islam requires both faith and works for salvation, then doing good deeds is essential.

>>21654

Don't let David Wood see this video. The only thing keeping him from going on a killing spree is his mistaken assumptions about the Bible.

>>21670

>arrrghhh David Wood!!! :(

sounds like he really ruffled your feathers? maybe you should make a thread trying to refute the arguments that are clearly weighing on your soul and causing you all this frustration, instead of attacking his character and personality.

Or simply stop watching his videos if they cause you this much internal strife. Take care, may Allah bless you.

>>21702

>I'm a smarmy christian and if you make a couple posts against one of our indefensible sociopathic trolls then, well, that's just the Pagan Triune weighing heavily on your soul.

Did you not see the Bart Ehrman response I posted to David Wood? Have you never read any books by Bart Ehrman? Do you even know who that is?

And arguments? David Wood reads a hadith and then reminds a viewer how the hadith contradicts classical liberalism and/or shitlibbism. That's his "argument."

We should be asking your question to David Wood since all he does is attack the character of the Prophet saaws. I think a couple posts on 8chan are absolutely nothing compared to his thousands of video clips: You hypocritical would-be emotional manipulator.

>>21702

>>arrrghhh Prophet Muhammad!!! :(

sounds like he really ruffled your feathers, David? maybe you should learn Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Arabic to refute real monotheism that is clearly weighing on your soul and causing you all this frustration, instead of attacking the prophet's character and personality.Or simply stop reading Islamic books if they cause you this much internal strife. Take care, may Allah bless you.

>>21705

> You hypocritical would-be emotional manipulator.

Ok.

>>21709

Imitation is a form of flattery, shalom.

>>21716

yet Christians and Jews both believe God instructed the israelites to decorate his holy Ark with two angel statues.

also idols are not idols in themselves but only if they are worshiped in place of God. The dispute was settled long ago.

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Seventh_Ecumenical_Council

>>21720

>yet Christians and Jews both believe God instructed the israelites to decorate his holy Ark with two angel statues.

Nope. From the ten commandments in Exodus 20:2-17:

"“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; "

>>21727

You realize the catholics and orthodox were in union when that council settled the dispute. It applies to catholics too which are 1.2+ billion. So that's around 1.45 billion Christians who agree, plus however many Protestants also agree…but that's harder to tell.

>>21733

>No

It means don't make things you intend to idolize in place of God. And don't idolize existing images in place of God. Making sacred art is fine otherwise God wouldnt tell them to decorate his holy ark with angel statues…

An image isn't inherently an idol it depends on how a person relates to it.

>>21736

>>21736

>You realize the catholics and orthodox were in union when that council settled the dispute

This tells us two things.

1) the "union" meant nothing to begin with since the eastern church acted unilaterally to carry out its own iconoclasms.

2) the council in actuality was some kind of sidestepping half-measure because the schism, sack of Constantinople, and Latin occupation still happened.

Bible: clearly prohibits idolatry.

Bible: clearly non-trinitarian.

Fighting over crying statues and filioque should be a non-issue…seems like the "causes" for the schism were really just "occasions" for the schism…

>>21737

>bible prohibits idola-

Making statues is not idolatry. Drawing the human form is not idolatry. Idolatry involves the intention to worship an object in place of God.

God said to decorate his ark with two angel statues. No one worshipped those statues so no idolatry happened. If sacred art was inherently sinful then God sinned and committed idolatry.

But sacred art isn't inherently idolatrous it depends how it is related to. If you see a statue of Hercules you don't automatically worship it, so it never becomes an idol to you.

>>21738

>this is the kind of argument I can't seem to refute

Ok

>>21739

>Ok

What you've done by twisting idols/idolatry into sacred art/veneration and usury into interest is known as equivocation.

>Making statues is not idolatry.

You shall not make for yourself a carved image

>Idolatry involves the intention to worship an object in place of God.

Now you might as well be a hindu.

https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/25/9-myths-about-hinduism-debunked/

**From CNN: Myth No. 2: Hindus are idol worshippers.

Reality: Hindus worship a reminder of God.** :^)

Hindus are now not idol worshippers and are increasingly being referred to as monotheists, even in the linked article. Christians have muddied the waters enough to allow this sophistry to flourish.

>God said to decorate his ark with two angel statues…If sacred art was inherently sinful then God sinned and committed idolatry.

How revealing that you entertain the notion that "God sinned" before admitting your understanding or the Bible could be wrong.

If God actually instructed someone to make a certain physical object then that is by definition not idolatry since it is obeying the one God. Then every such carving not specifically commissioned by God and attested to in scripture should be destroyed. Unless your statue that can drink milk and cry blood takes precedence over the 10 Commandments.

Alternatively: the Bible is wrong.

The argument christians put forth is not new, it is the classic recourse of pagans that the idols are only "representations" that help them worship. Pagans have claimed this for thousands of years.

>yet Christians and Jews both believe…

Yet Muslims and Jews both believe christianity is an idolatrous religion.

>>21741

>If God actually instructed someone to make a certain physical object then that is by definition not idolatry since it is obeying the one God.

>Then every such carving not specifically commissioned by God and attested to in scripture should be destroyed…

If statues and images of living things are inherently sinful and idolatrous then ipso facto God "commissioned" people to sin, and then desecrated his own holy Ark with two idols, according to your reading. Not very coherent.

>How revealing that you entertain the notion that "God sinned" before admitting your understanding or the Bible could be wrong

My reading of the bible takes into account what an idol is and reconciles both instructions (to avoid making idols and God's instruction to make 2 angel statues for his ark).

Your reading wants to forbid the making of images or statues of living things because they are always sinful, inherent-idols, and then turn around and have God commission people to make idols and use them as decorations for his Ark…come on.

God isn't arbitrary, maybe the bible requires a more nuanced reading?

>The argument christians put forth is not new, it is the classic recourse of pagans that the idols are only "representations" that help them worship. Pagans have claimed this for thousands of years.

Most educated pagans would have such an understanding, because it's accurate.

Although to an outsider it might make no difference because all they see is pagans bowing and saying prayers in front of an Object. Similar to how outsiders would view muslims "idolizing" the Kaaba since they feel the need to "aim" all their prayers to it, bow before it and circulate it, kiss it, and it is merely an object carved from stones.

Is it necessary to turn every thread into "Islam vs Christianity"?

I'm going to say …. nope!