/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

Islam is already very socialist. We believe in social and economic equality. There are some communistic elements, but Marxism is incompatible due to its "anti-religious" nature.

>>20568

The proper state of political Islam is the Caliphate.

>>20569

But if the workers managed their work spaces by vote then it would still be socialist albeit under a caliphate.

Traditionally in Islamic countries, trade guilds (roughly analogous to modern unions) were in charge of industry. This was quasi-Socialist, in the sense that industries were run by groups of workers rather than a parasitic oligarchy. These guilds provided training to new workers, support to workers and their families in times of hardship, ran hostels to provide food and lodging to travelers and the indigent, and even performed the funeral arrangements for dead guild members.

>>20580

That's corporatism, meaning /leftypol/ is more likely to try and kill you for being """fascist"""

>>20592

leftists/communists/anarchists really get on my nerves, they have a colonial mindset towards muslim and people of color in general

pretending they know whats best for us, we have a system that works, we don't need your shitty marxism

Muslim's don't really know what they are talking about regarding political ideology when there is a Monarchy in charge of the 'House of God' yet Monarchies aren't allowed to be in charge of governments according to their book

Qaddafi was socialist as fuck and he was pretty Islamic though. Almost converted the entire Africa into communism

>>20598

A great many of us are against the Saud royal family controlling the Masjid al'Haram.

>>20598

>>20598

> Monarchies aren't allowed to be in charge of governments according to their book

>citation needed

I oppose the Saudi Royals, but this is an asinine statement. Two of our major prophets were kings.

http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e39.html

>>20598

>leftysplaining

>>20566

Marx wasn't anti religion even if Marxists are, and the point of his main theory (Labour Theory of Value) was basically identical to hadiths about people being paid in full for what they produce.

>>20592

No, that is not corporatism.

>>20601

Read the final sermon. Then reread it, again and again till it penetrates that skull.

>>20565

Anything that destroys capitalism is good for Islam and Muslims, although M-L proved to be just a spiritually barren in practice.

>>20661

take your jewish propaganda elsewhere

>>21025

/pol/ is the Jewish board

>>20565

National Socialism is more preferable.

Islam is a religion that already has rules set out for everything, including politics and economy.

Islam is contrary to communism in every way. Not to mention that communism is not even an ideology but it is created by Jews for the purpose of genocide of the entire world.

Communism is against religion.

Communism goes against Islamic business and financial practices.

Communism goes against Islamic social practices and laws.

Communists fought against the Muslim world in Afghanistan.

Communists likely were responsible for the death and oppression of many Muslims in the USSR and China.

Communism is a completely Jewish invention and Jews are known for hating Islam and doing everything in their power to hurt Islam.

>>20565

>leftypol/etarian here,-

Go back.

>Do any of you subscribe to it

No.

>Do you think Islam is compatible iwth a stateless society

>>20566

>Islam is already very socialist

Wait a minute..

>Same ID

We're not dumb, you know?

Overall, go back to >>>/leftypol/

>>21424

No, Islam is not national socialist. Civic nationalism is the only form of nationalism that is not in conflict with Islamic law. The whole of the world belongs to Allah and man-made borders are meaningless to Creation.

>>21420

>We're not dumb, you know?

If that were true, then you'd know that all posts made prior to 5/1 became the same ID when the site reopened after the hack. Might want to pay more attention to global site events.

>>21439

I do know that, just forgot about it.

There is no islamic feminism or islamic fascism or islamic communism or islamic environmentalism or islamic capitalism. Trying to shoehorn Islam into modern political trends invites first confusion, then disbelief.

It increases confusion by legitimizing muslim insecurities; showing we don't want to engage as we are or be accepted for who we are. Instead we will try to relate Islam to social events by using politically convenient language. This demonstrates our ignorance of Islam which in turn leads to muslims forming value systems based on non-islamic values. Eventually a muslim nazi or muslim communist or muslim capitalist or muslim mghow or muslim feminist or muslim environmentalist will come across something from Islam that can't reconcile with their ideology and they very well might choose the ideology over Islam.

Islam must be our dominant thought system and the font of our morals. We cannot reach our own independent or cultural moral conclusions and then judge Islam by them.

>>21545

Well Said/10

>>20580

This is very similar to what the YPG is implementing in Rojava right now: all means of production are controlled and owned by the workers and everything is done on a mutual aid basis.

>>21545

I don't see how Islam and socialism are incompatible at all. Didn't Muhammad set up a kind of democratic confederalism, in the sense that the Caliphate was never a real state (as we would define it today) but a loose confederation held together by a symbolic leaer?

>>22384

I don't think Islam and socialism are incompatible either but Muhammed was not symbolic at all and also YPG is an atheist organization that is the Syrian wing of the PKK, a terrorist organization that has killed many civilians in Turkey and Iran.

>>20598

What makes you think we like the Saudi dogs?

>>23300

It's like if the people in charge tried to convince the prisoners that other prisoners are the fire masters, and if they kill them they'll be In charge of the fire themselves. Doesn't Soviet Russia remind you of a cave in some ways?

Money was created by God to help with commerce. Being to obsessed with it is bad but to completely dropping it would make it impossible to organize commerce efficiently.

You can see that Jews are in charge of Communism and Usury.

>>20599

reminds me of this event

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure

>>23332

I think the saudis can be toppled if the population has nothing to lose. This will come soon with the famine in a few years

>>20593

>we have a system that works,

no we don't. try running a country with no taxes except a 2.5% wealth tax. no one does it for a reason.

>>23337

That's an obligatory tax for the poor you fake muslim idiot, not the only allowed tax.

>>23337

>no we don't

who are you? are you denying that shariah is complete?