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"Allah is but one God. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." [4:171]

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00ac9c  No.20538

Growing up I have always hated Islam and Muslims. I belong to an Abrahamic faith and as I started learning more about the theology of Islam, it started making more sense.

The only things that I can't get over is what I learned about Muhammad and some aspects of the theology. I know that I can Google all of these, but I wanted to get opinions from you guys and maybe ask follow-up questions about some of these beliefs?

Here goes:

>Muhammad was a warlord that spread Islam

>Muhammad got betrothed to Aisha at 6 and consummated the marriage with sex when she was 9 and he was in his 50s

>Praying towards the Kaaba is idolatry

>The Qur'an contains many errors and is therefore not a divinely inspired book (e.g. the confusion of Old Testament characters with those from the New Testament, or getting scientific facts wrong)

The biggest hurdle for me is accepting Muhammad as a prophet if he did all those violent and sexually deviant things, you know? There's also a lot of cultural tensions between those from the Muslim world and the one I'm from.

00ac9c  No.20542

>>20538

Maybe you should use the catalog.


fc40e2  No.20641

>>20538

>Muhammad was a warlord that spread Islam

He was a merchant, not a warlord.

>Muhammad got betrothed to Aisha at 6 and consummated the marriage with sex when she was 9 and he was in his 50s

There is a lot of evidence to suggest she was 16. Only one or two sources put her as pre-pubescent.

>Praying towards the Kaaba is idolatry

Allah commanded it, so it can't be idolatry.

>The Qur'an contains many errors

No, it doesn't.


449335  No.21097

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>Muhammad was a warlord that spread Islam

Read your Old Testament, please.

>Muhammad got betrothed to Aisha at 6 and consummated the marriage with sex when she was 9 and he was in his 50s

Joseph was 90 when he married 12 year old Mary

>Praying towards the Kaaba is idolatry

Was it idolatry when Daniel prayed toward Jerusalem? Today observant Jews still pray towards Jerusalem.

>The Qur'an contains many errors and is therefore not a divinely inspired book (e.g. the confusion of Old Testament characters with those from the New Testament, or getting scientific facts wrong)

Oh gosh, cough'em up.


489165  No.21098

>>20538

Asalamu Alaikum

>Muhammad was a warlord that spread Islam

He and the original Muslims were under attack by the Judeo-Pagan Tribes, after forcing them out of Mecca and massacring the first Muslims. The Quran and its verses that tell to "Kill wherever you find them" were commandments that were intended in the war against the Pagan Tribes.

If you want to say he was a warlord, go ahead. But it would make more sense to call him a General, Defender, or Commander.

>Muhammad got betrothed to Aisha at 6 and consummated the marriage with sex when she was 9 and he was in his 50s

Her age is disputed, with sources saying she was 16 and others saying that she was 6, but no matter what, Aisha (pbu her) holds a high position in Islam and Muhammad (pbuh) was highly respected within the region.

>Praying towards Kaaba is idolatry

Nevertheless, we are praying TO Allah.

>The Quran contains many errors

Only if you consider difference in political and social beliefs. But the Quran doesn't focus [much] on politics.

In the case of Scientific "errors", (I saw someone post a Quran verse that allegedly said "the sun goes into the water when it sets") You shouldn't ignore what's between the brackets. The Quran is very poetic, and sometimes can be vague to a person that takes things literally.

Hoped it helped.


b1ff83  No.21101

>Warlord

He got in a lot of wars because the pagans of the time fought the Muslims a lot.

Islam doesn't need war to spread. A lot of Muslims of the time were travellers or merchants, and they would share information about the religion as they went about their business.

>Marriage

You'll find loads of different ages on the matter. I've seen ages from 6 to 18. At the time the pagans of Arabia didn't use his marriage to Aisha (RA) as a way to attack him, which means it was seen as normal.

Aisha (RA) became one of the most important Islamic scholars of the time, and revealed loads of hadith on more intimate matters. If anything bad happened with her she would have mentioned it.

>Kaaba

It's a point of reference. If there wasn't a standard direction to face while praying, mosques would be annoying to walk though. You're not supposed to walk in front of someone who is praying, and if everyone is praying towards everywhere you'll have a hard time avoiding them.

There is a hadith where Umar (RA) is touching the black stone in the Kaaba, and mentions that he knows it's just a stone and can't provide any benefit but he's doing it because that's what he saw the Prophet (PBUH) do.

>Quranic errors

You'll find a lot of sites that twist the English translation to make it look like the Quran is wrong on things. I don't know enough Arabic to disprove them myself, but googling rebuttals for these "errors" should provide proper explanations. One they like to use is how the Quran states that the moon emits light, which the original Arabic doesn't say.

An important thing to remember when looking up arguments against Islam is that there are a lot of people with a vendetta against it. They will use as many arguments as they can, regardless of whether those arguments actually hold ground. All it takes is for one person to read "Muslims worship a pagan moon god" and not look into it, and you have someone ready to spread easily provable misinformation.

It doesn't help that people tend to stick to things that agree with their worldview. A stereotypical antitheist isn't going to look for rebuttals for the stuff he finds on sites like WikiIslam because he wants his worldview to be right. This applies to pretty much anything people can have strong views over, which is why looking at multiple sides of an argument is so important




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