/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

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>>19010

>Just wondering what people on here think of him.

Never heard of him. I don't have a problem with psychedelic substances if they're more medicinal than recreational.

Alcohol is forbidden becuase there's very little benefit in it and it destroys lives and self respect.

>Also how do you guys feel about Schuon and Guenon?

I don't know anything about it

>>19010

Looks like another self-proclaimed philosopher trying to pervert Islam to his own personal narrative. He's not the first and won't be the last.

Umme Salmah (may Allah be pleased with her) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Peace and blessings be upon him) prohibited every intoxicant and Mufattir (anything which excites and irritates the mind, body and heart). (Abu Dawood)

> anything which excites […] the mind

Haram

>>19018

Does that mean prescribed medicines for psychological conditions?

>>19020

Medication of all kinds is permitted. For example, you can use medication that contains alcohol - but not use alcohol as medicine.

It should also be noted that the first psychiatric hospital in the world was founded in 705CE by al-Razi in Baghdad. According to al-Razi's views, mental disorders were considered medical conditions, and were treated by using psychotherapy and drug treatments.

So it's not some new thing.

>>19021

Certain psychoactive drugs have been shown to be beneficial for psychological disorders, specifically of the psychedelic class.

I guess different scholars would have different views whether or not those are halal or haram.

Wahid Azal is basically insane. Some of his stuff is interesting though.

Guenon was pretty based, Schuon less so, but some of his works are pretty good.

Schuon's students Titus Burckhardt, Martin Lings, and Gai Eaton all wrote really excellent books. It's a shame that Schuon's own books are mostly unreadable.

>>19023

"Under the care of a physician" is different than "dude my friend scored shrooms!"

>>19025

>Wahid Azal is basically insane.

please elaborate

>>19025

also do you find the "perennialism" of Geunon and Schuon and their followers problematic at all, or do you feel that it is in harmony with the nature of Islam?

>>19026

So if the law is changed, the psychoactive chemical in shrooms is synthesised, turned in to a pill and prescribed by a certified physician this changes whether Allah considers the chemical halal or haram?

But as it stands, a medicine given to us by Allah is haram? We need a change in the man made law to possibly change it's status?

Is this what you're saying?

>>19041

It is ok to use medicine containing alcohol; but it is not ok to use alcohol as a medicine.

Replace "alcohol" with marijuana, psilocybin, or whatever recreational drug you can think of. Allah also placed pigs on this planet, but that doesn't mean we're allowed to eat them.

>>19010

Schuon and Guenon are very good tbh. Lurking for a while here, it seems like they're popular here.

People that characterize them as extreme rightists trying to pervert religion or heterodox New Age Syncretics that created some new religion are idiots. Have no idea what they're talking about. As for Wahid Azal…this is the first time I heard of him. But by first impressions (and please, correct me if I'm wrong) he seems pretty syncretic. And one of those extreme far rightists that politicize those beleifs. Or some other weirdo.

>>19025

>Schuons own books are basically unreadable

How so?

>>19016

Ah yes. I'm sure you're above perverting Islam into your personal narrative.

>>19060

Islam is my personal narrative.

>>19065

And it is for others as well.

>>19057

he is actually politically aligned with the left.

in this interview he describes himself as a "leftwing-anarchist":

http://wahidazal.blogspot.com/2014/02/interview-with-mona-magick.html?m=1

that interview particularly makes him seem pretentious imo. he made a good first impression on me, but he comes off as a little ridiculous on closer examination.

are you a muslim? what is your feeling on perennialism of guenon and schuon's type?

>>19067

No kidding? huh. Well, first impressions are often wrong.

I have the strong disagreements with Guenon and Schuon. I think Guenon stretched a lot in particular with his writings on Multiple States of Being.

Reincarnation IN THIS PLANE has been accepted by Dharmic faiths inarguably. The Perrenialists in general seem to deny this. Guenon I think should have just stayed to his original convictions about Buddhism if he wanted to identify a consistent religious theme and so should have all the other Perrenialists.

Also, they themselves ignored that their findings really are (above all) a contemporary interpretation of the worlds religions. And have all kinds of Modern interpretations such as Guenon's "spiritual residue" Yes there were people in the past that did have their viewpoint that all religions had a common theme. But they usually caved in on the subject of reincarnation (wrongly, mind you) Instead of almost revising what the Dharmic faiths believed.

And I'm sorry, very little can convince me that Schuon was not at least influenced by Syncretics. He absolutely did mix Religious Traditions. Maybe not their practices. But his intent was…noticeably a little syncretic.

How ever…I do admire that they wanted to flush Modern influence from religion, that they approached Eastern Religions Respectfully, that they tried to solve the problem of religious particularism while not falling into new age fallacies, and that they really could recognize convincingly binding themes in the worlds religions Metaphysical and some ethical teachings.

>>19067

And I would be straight up lying if I said they didn't have an impact on me.

>>19011

Why though?

Great from what I've read of them. Which is admittedly not very much. I was sort of just introduced to them through Seyyed Hossein Nasr's lectures. I've never heard of Wahid Azal. He seems a bit eccentric.

>>19074

drug addict and a loser

>>19068

Thank you for your response. I am still curious whether you are a Muslim or not, and also what your opinion on the question of reincarnation is since you bring it up. Do Muslims believe in it or not?

>>19080

>Do Muslims believe in it or not?

No.